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[font="Times New Roman"]Sept 10, 1944[/font]
Well, Nicks are trying occasionally to strike at 100ft now. They got 1 PT Boat today! [:D]

I've been sweeping to limit or suppress bleeding CAP but he's kept it strictly to 0 hex lately. I'll keep the low level FB attacks going, but might add some naval strike planes to the mix to see if they get more, or fly more often.

Bombardments near Prome look by the reports to be disabling Japanese squads. When I get the turn and check every unit is at 100% with no disablements. Interesting.

Moonlight is diminishing so I pulled back my flotilla of floating fodder until the conditions are better.
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shikuka at 126,44

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
PT-366
PT-362, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PT-164
PT-361

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

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Ground combat at 55,51 (near Prome)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 157231 troops, 1777 guns, 2072 vehicles, Assault Value = 4738

Defending force 97745 troops, 989 guns, 454 vehicles, Assault Value = 2827

Japanese ground losses:
84 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Allied ground losses:
103 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
27th Infantry Division
1st New Chinese Corps
Guides Cavalry Regiment
40th Infantry Division
46th Indian Brigade
25th Indian Division
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
5th Chinese Corps
14th Chindit Brigade
754th Tank Battalion
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
23rd Chindit Brigade
29th British Brigade
32nd Infantry Division
255th Indian Tank Brigade
254th Armoured Brigade
50th Indian Para Brigade
193rd Tank Battalion
5th Indian Division
2nd Indian AA Bde
197th Coast AA Regiment
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
8th Medium Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
55th Division
48th Division
31st Division
18th Division
5th Division
14th Tank Regiment
2nd Division
51st Field AA Battalion
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
10th RF Gun Battalion
43rd Const Co
60th Field AA Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
69th Field AA Battalion
70th Field AA Battalion
23rd AA Regiment
32nd Air Defense AA Battalion
2nd Medium Mortar Battalion
13th RF Gun (Pack) Battalion
16th AA Regiment
11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

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Find a squadron flying a naval bomber with forward mounted cannons(Frances comes to mind)...and strafe/bomb with them?
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Find a squadron flying a naval bomber with forward mounted cannons(Frances comes to mind)...and strafe/bomb with them?

I'll try it. Sure.

The Nicks have low naval skilled pilots but they seem to still not fly much.
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For whatever reason, the best strafing PT boat plane I ever used was Zeroes. No clue why.

Experiment, it is the joy of the game! And keep us posted.[;)]
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

For whatever reason, the best strafing PT boat plane I ever used was Zeroes. No clue why.

Experiment, it is the joy of the game! And keep us posted.[;)]

The Frank Ki-84b will probably be very good with CL 20mm and the wing mounted ones.

I don't know why I didn't try Jakes yet. I find they do really well against small craft because of the 4 bombs and no low level penalty like 2E.
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[font="Times New Roman"]Sept 11-14, 1944[/font]
These turns have become very quiet. The Allies continue to build Shikuka fighter groups and the rollover now shows 850+ fighters. The PTs are hanging one hex out, and our F and FB have been going. Got a lot of 20mm hits from A6M and Nicks once I put in the high strafe skill pilots. Not sure how damaging those hits are.

On the 12th the sweeps in Burma did hit our CAP, and the Spits and Lightings suffered at first, but wore the CAP down so later P-47s did well. The Allies get about 1.5:1 on the day, but I'll have to move out and reorganise groups. I want to add some N1K5 anyway, so this is a good chance to do that.

Recon by Myrts shows a lot of bombers at Adak, and lots of TFs.

No big things to report on otherwise.
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Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 45,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 25
N1K2-J George x 15
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 88
Ki-84a Frank x 32

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 21
N1K2-J George x 12
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 68
Ki-84a Frank x 25

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 46,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 22
N1K2-J George x 13
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 77
Ki-84a Frank x 27

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Moulmein , at 55,55

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 42,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 19
N1K2-J George x 11
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 51
Ki-84a Frank x 16

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 4 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Spitfire VIII sweeping at 41500 feet

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Even though this looks dominating, compared to a few months ago, there are many fewer groups, and many more incomplete groups. I get the sense that if I keep this going for another month, there won't be many P-47s left, the Spit VIII will be depleted, and the Allies will have to use Corsairs exclusively for a while until the Mustang shows up in November.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

For whatever reason, the best strafing PT boat plane I ever used was Zeroes. No clue why.

Experiment, it is the joy of the game! And keep us posted.[;)]

The Frank Ki-84b will probably be very good with CL 20mm and the wing mounted ones.

I don't know why I didn't try Jakes yet. I find they do really well against small craft because of the 4 bombs and no low level penalty like 2E.

One advantage I've seen in the past of using fighter/bomber squadrons for conventional LowNav attacks is that they occasionally decide to go for the kamikazie attacks without the squadron being converted to a kami squadron.

While not much use against PT boats, it can be quite nice when Nicks or some such come across a squadron of DD's and ram a few.
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ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

For whatever reason, the best strafing PT boat plane I ever used was Zeroes. No clue why.

Experiment, it is the joy of the game! And keep us posted.[;)]

The Frank Ki-84b will probably be very good with CL 20mm and the wing mounted ones.

I don't know why I didn't try Jakes yet. I find they do really well against small craft because of the 4 bombs and no low level penalty like 2E.

One advantage I've seen in the past of using fighter/bomber squadrons for conventional LowNav attacks is that they occasionally decide to go for the kamikazie attacks without the squadron being converted to a kami squadron.

While not much use against PT boats, it can be quite nice when Nicks or some such come across a squadron of DD's and ram a few.

This just begins to happen in the late war automatically, I think. Well, I think it can happen anytime, but the chance for it to occur increases as the war goes on.
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The Frank Ki-84b will probably be very good with CL 20mm and the wing mounted ones.

I don't know why I didn't try Jakes yet. I find they do really well against small craft because of the 4 bombs and no low level penalty like 2E.

One advantage I've seen in the past of using fighter/bomber squadrons for conventional LowNav attacks is that they occasionally decide to go for the kamikazie attacks without the squadron being converted to a kami squadron.

While not much use against PT boats, it can be quite nice when Nicks or some such come across a squadron of DD's and ram a few.

This just begins to happen in the late war automatically, I think. Well, I think it can happen anytime, but the chance for it to occur increases as the war goes on.

I haven't seen any of these yet, but soon I'm sure they'll begin showing up. Ramming bombers is sometimes not my favourite use of 80exp pilots, though.
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Lots of little 2 ship TFs now prowling closer to the Kuriles. I'm curious. It seems he may be setting pickets for a move soon to come. The subs seem to be creeping closer too. I've taken a lot of ASW off to use for bombing Shikuka, but I'll get it back to ASW now.

I've set some Judy D4Y1 to see if with their long range I can hit a few of these just for fun.

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Some more of these down near Marcus. I hope he goes for it. All ready and waiting for invasion #3. The first two didn't go so well in this game.

These are in Jake range, so I've got a 24 plane group down there set to low naval.

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Lots of activity in the Aleutians. No alarm bells yet, but something is being prepared.

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Here is Shikuka. Holding steady at 800+ fighters for now. Not enough bombers to be a threat yet.

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Here is Shikuka. Holding steady at 800+ fighters for now. Not enough bombers to be a threat yet.

DISPERSAL!

Dispersion really is the key factor in late '44 air defense. If he decides to throw a couple hundred 4E's at, say Sapporo, then you're going to have a lot of shattered groups. Sure, he won't take out all 708 aircraft, but he'll wreck their morale.

I'd move out all the strike craft and leave a couple hundred fighters. You have the aviation support in place to surge in the strike craft when you want to attack. To beat that 800 plane CAP you need to throw in the kitchen sink, but that doesn't mean you need to carry it around with you all the time.

I think you've enough good naval search for at least two days warning, so that's an abundance of time to surge planes in!
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ORIGINAL: obvert

Here is Shikuka. Holding steady at 800+ fighters for now. Not enough bombers to be a threat yet.

DISPERSAL!

Dispersion really is the key factor in late '44 air defense. If he decides to throw a couple hundred 4E's at, say Sapporo, then you're going to have a lot of shattered groups. Sure, he won't take out all 708 aircraft, but he'll wreck their morale.

I'd move out all the strike craft and leave a couple hundred fighters. You have the aviation support in place to surge in the strike craft when you want to attack. To beat that 800 plane CAP you need to throw in the kitchen sink, but that doesn't mean you need to carry it around with you all the time.

I think you've enough good naval search for at least two days warning, so that's an abundance of time to surge planes in!

He has hit a few airfields and done some serious damage. That was early in the process, and I've (hopefully) learned just this lesson! [;)]

All IJAAF 2E are back in Tokyo. A good number of 1E are in Ominato, but are being dispersed gradually. After the major bombardments and the resulting 250-300 4E destroyed, the numbers won't be there to do the same kind of strikes he was able to mount for another few months.

Sapporo is pretty able to take care of itself now. he did try a daylight strike there recently and lost about 40 4E even after throwing everything he could into sweeps. The low CAP is pretty durable over a day or two and I can rotate groups in easily.

Right now I'm not going to sweep or strike at Shikuka by air. I'll wait for the moon and see if I want to try again with the IJN. The flak is so heavy it doesn't make sense to tackle it unless I know there are no fighters left or the field is closed.
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[font="Times New Roman"]Sept 15-17, 1944[/font]
Nicks and a few other fighters keep pecking away at the PTs. The Judys do find their prey, and as expected it's two YMS pickets.

Down South the shell game is keeping damaged fighters away from Allied bombing, and they're slowly repairing while a few other groups upgrade in Bangkok.

Near Prome the Allies try a sudden (and unprepared ) DA, with no aerial bombing ahead of time. It doesn't go well for them. It looks like it's just armoured units, and the incredibly experienced IJA units handle it easily. They're all dug in with forts 2 in this x2 terrain, and have good supply. There are a few IDs with mid-90s EXP here, and some good arty.

The Allied units lose about 130 devices outright, plus around 570 disabled. Mostly vehicles.
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Medny Island at 148,47

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 4 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 13
D4Y1 Judy x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
YMS-148, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
YMS-133, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk


Aircraft Attacking:
5 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shikuka at 126,44

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
PT-534, Shell hits 4
PT-533, Shell hits 2
PT-532
PT-535
PT-536
PT-537

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shikuka at 126,44

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84b Frank x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PT-455
PT-456, Shell hits 6
PT-457, Shell hits 6
PT-458

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-84b Frank bombing from 100 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Shikuka at 126,44

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84b Frank x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
PT-366, Shell hits 8
PT-164
PT-361, Shell hits 6
PT-363, Shell hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-84b Frank bombing from 100 feet

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 17, 1944
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Shikuka at 126,44

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
PT-247, Shell hits 3, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PT-222
PT-120, Shell hits 1
PT-121, Shell hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

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Ground combat at 55,51 (near Prome)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 191034 troops, 2231 guns, 2728 vehicles, Assault Value = 5525

Defending force 97679 troops, 989 guns, 452 vehicles, Assault Value = 2815

Allied adjusted assault: 207

Japanese adjusted defense: 7135

Allied assault odds: 1 to 34

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
622 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 36 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 4 disabled
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
1268 casualties reported
Squads: 66 destroyed, 49 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 178 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 37 (18 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Vehicles lost 375 (41 destroyed, 334 disabled)


Assaulting units:
254th Armoured Brigade
18th British Division
40th Infantry Division
754th Tank Battalion
27th Infantry Division
46th Indian Brigade
14th Chindit Brigade
29th British Brigade
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
25th Indian Division
26th Indian Division
50th Indian Para Brigade
23rd Chindit Brigade
5th Chinese Corps
32nd Infantry Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
1st New Chinese Corps
Guides Cavalry Regiment
255th Indian Tank Brigade
193rd Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
5th Indian Division
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Indian AA Bde
88th Medium Regiment
8th Medium Regiment
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
197th Coast AA Regiment
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
18th Division
31st Division
48th Division
14th Tank Regiment
5th Division
55th Division
2nd Division
43rd Const Co
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
70th Field AA Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
60th Field AA Battalion
2nd Medium Mortar Battalion
10th RF Gun Battalion
16th AA Regiment
32nd Air Defense AA Battalion
23rd AA Regiment
13th RF Gun (Pack) Battalion
69th Field AA Battalion
51st Field AA Battalion
11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

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From this battle in process you can see the armoured units taking big hits.

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[font="Times New Roman"]Sept 18, 1944[/font]
About 300 AV taken off the Allied forces here near Prome. The Japanese will hold for now.

Up North I'm noticing all kinds of TFs now at Shikuka. Curious if they're out to deflect any bombardment attempts, or unloading, or minelaying, or all of the above?

Nothing else happening.
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Ground combat at 55,51 (near Prome)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 183696 troops, 2216 guns, 2293 vehicles, Assault Value = 5246

Defending force 97210 troops, 989 guns, 452 vehicles, Assault Value = 2774

Japanese ground losses:
257 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
255th Indian Tank Brigade
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
25th Indian Division
1st New Chinese Corps
14th Chindit Brigade
27th Infantry Division
50th Indian Para Brigade
26th Indian Division
5th Chinese Corps
Guides Cavalry Regiment
193rd Tank Battalion
23rd Chindit Brigade
46th Indian Brigade
754th Tank Battalion
32nd Infantry Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
18th British Division
29th British Brigade
254th Armoured Brigade
40th Infantry Division
5th Indian Division
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
88th Medium Regiment
2nd Indian AA Bde
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
8th Medium Regiment
197th Coast AA Regiment
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
55th Division
31st Division
48th Division
14th Tank Regiment
18th Division
5th Division
2nd Division
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
69th Field AA Battalion
16th AA Regiment
60th Field AA Battalion
70th Field AA Battalion
51st Field AA Battalion
2nd Medium Mortar Battalion
23rd AA Regiment
13th RF Gun (Pack) Battalion
43rd Const Co
10th RF Gun Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
32nd Air Defense AA Battalion
11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_SqzMyLemon_Canoerebel (A)

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[font="Times New Roman"]Dec 19-23, 1944[/font]
After the past few turns the Allies seem to be moving everywhere in Burma. Threatening to still cross from around Bassein and Prome, moving units from near Prome to South of Toungoo, and shocking across the river to South of Toungoo with three armoured units, where our stack kicked them hard.

The Allies did lower forts at Toungoo with a DA, but take the worst of the moderate disablements. I'm flying a few more troops in as the Allies seem to be walking more across as well. About 300 bombers a day are hitting Toungoo troops keeping the disruption up a bit, but also losing 5-7 a day to flak. This base is completely superfluous, and I hope to time a withdrawl so that I can get the most out of the forts and terrain, but not get the very experienced ID trashed.

I'll try a LR CAP on the 24th to see if these fighters, all rested up, can get to the bombers at all. Lots of sweeps still here, and LR CAP is not as effective for low CAP.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 22, 1944
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Ground combat at 55,51 (near Prome)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 184128 troops, 2222 guns, 2309 vehicles, Assault Value = 5369

Defending force 97595 troops, 987 guns, 444 vehicles, Assault Value = 2797

Japanese ground losses:
172 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled

Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
40th Infantry Division
14th Chindit Brigade
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
254th Armoured Brigade
25th Indian Division
26th Indian Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
27th Infantry Division
18th British Division
23rd Chindit Brigade
1st New Chinese Corps
29th British Brigade
147th(Sep) Infantry Regiment
Guides Cavalry Regiment
50th Indian Para Brigade
46th Indian Brigade
32nd Infantry Division
193rd Tank Battalion
255th Indian Tank Brigade
754th Tank Battalion
5th Chinese Corps
5th Indian Division
197th Coast AA Regiment
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
8th Medium Regiment
2nd Indian AA Bde
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
48th Division
5th Division
18th Division
31st Division
55th Division
14th Tank Regiment
2nd Division
32nd Air Defense AA Battalion
2nd Medium Mortar Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
43rd Const Co
51st Field AA Battalion
13th RF Gun (Pack) Battalion
16th AA Regiment
70th Field AA Battalion
23rd AA Regiment
69th Field AA Battalion
10th RF Gun Battalion
60th Field AA Battalion
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

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Ground combat at 56,51 (near Toungoo)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 2598 troops, 3 guns, 223 vehicles, Assault Value = 124

Defending force 45575 troops, 371 guns, 261 vehicles, Assault Value = 1189

Allied adjusted assault: 32

Japanese adjusted defense: 3811

Allied assault odds: 1 to 119

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 52 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 136 (81 destroyed, 55 disabled)
Units destroyed 1


Assaulting units:
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
150th RAC Regiment

Defending units:
16th Division
77th Infantry Brigade
2nd Guards Division
16th Army
57th Field AA Battalion
3rd RF Gun Battalion
45th Ind.AA Gun Co
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
53rd Const Co
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
8th RF Gun Battalion

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Ground combat at Toungoo (57,50)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 20265 troops, 182 guns, 91 vehicles, Assault Value = 681

Defending force 21355 troops, 210 guns, 140 vehicles, Assault Value = 469

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 291

Japanese adjusted defense: 425

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
148 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 31 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Allied ground losses:
515 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 79 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Assaulting units:
75th Indian Brigade
1st Manchester Battalion
111th Chindit Brigade
14th Indian Division

Defending units:
21st Division
26th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
115th AA Regiment
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
Burma Area Army
56th Field AA Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
62nd JAAF AF Bn

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I could kick these armoured units out and probably destroy 1-2 of them, but I'm wary of the other Allied units appearing on that turn. I'm happy to let him come and give it a try. More AA here, and the adjusted defence of the river crossing was huge!

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_SqzMyLemon_Canoerebel (A)

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[font="Times New Roman"]Sept 24-26, 1944[/font]
A few days to catch up on here.

The Allies are bombing with everything they have now in Burma. Sweeps aren't really huge, but I can't make much of an impact either. On the 24th I tried a LR CAP at Toungou that didn't work. The Allies got 2:1 on the day. Then it was back to a few days of rest and filling the groups out again.

On the 25th the Allies tried a DA at Toungou, but it only got a 1:12. I'll consolidate with a few more added troops here. I don't think he's got enough in any one spot to force a retreat any time soon. He's relying on the air force to disrupt and work down supply, but that isn't happening or anywhere near happening right now.

On the 26th the Allies go back into serious sweep mode in the North. This is all good for the Japanese. The defenders do well, getting a 1:1 until some late sweeps push the Allies to a slight positive. Their pilots have to be suffering though, as all of the combat is over our bases now. I sense a growing tension again in the North, and as the light increases, I'll prepare for another try at Shikuka. I'd like to give it a shot being prepared to lose a few BBs and lots of DDs and smaller craft. The possible strategic and VP gains would be huge, and the inevitable losses don't concern me much as long as the Allies lose some too. At this point in the game it's about "what can I get for my soon to be destroyed forces?" [;)]
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Ground combat at Toungoo (57,50)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 19881 troops, 181 guns, 90 vehicles, Assault Value = 972

Defending force 21973 troops, 236 guns, 140 vehicles, Assault Value = 493

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Allied adjusted assault: 249

Japanese adjusted defense: 3115

Allied assault odds: 1 to 12 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
232 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 21 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled

Allied ground losses:
478 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 121 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 33 disabled


Assaulting units:
111th Chindit Brigade
14th Indian Division
75th Indian Brigade
1st Manchester Battalion
17th Indian Division

Defending units:
108th Div /1
21st Division
26th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
Burma Area Army
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
56th Field AA Battalion
115th AA Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
62nd JAAF AF Bn

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Sept 26, 1944
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Morning Air attack on Bihoro , at 123,51

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 37,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 17
J2M3 Jack x 36
N1K2-J George x 75
Ki-84b Frank x 27
Ki-100-I Tony x 25

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
J2M3 Jack: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 3 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 6 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Bihoro , at 123,51

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 40,900 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 16
J2M3 Jack x 32
N1K2-J George x 70
Ki-84b Frank x 27
Ki-100-I Tony x 21

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x F4U-1A Corsair sweeping at 36900 feet

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Morning Air attack on Bihoro , at 123,51

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 43,300 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 15
J2M3 Jack x 28
N1K2-J George x 58
Ki-84b Frank x 25
Ki-100-I Tony x 21

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 3 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Bihoro , at 123,51

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 13
J2M3 Jack x 27
N1K2-J George x 55
Ki-84b Frank x 24
Ki-100-I Tony x 18

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
J2M3 Jack: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Bihoro , at 123,51

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 8
J2M3 Jack x 14
N1K2-J George x 35
Ki-84b Frank x 17
Ki-100-I Tony x 13

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 44000 feet
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It looks like the Allies are still coming cross just South of Toungoo. I'm curious if this will still be a shock. If it is those units will suffer.

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[font="Times New Roman"]Sept 27-28, 1944[/font]
The Allies recommence bombing the Kuriles. I like this. It's not a strategic target and I can pounce when I choose later. So far a lot of damaged and a few downed 4Es to ops losses. Only two bases still to get to forts 6 here, and I think they'll make it. It depends on how early the Allies move back in with CVs. It seems a sure thing that he'll go for more out here, but maybe I'm wrong? Maybe this is just suppression and a diversion, and the real target will be the HI, Korea and Manchuria. All potential targets are preparing.

A division and some other troops shock into the hex South of Toungoo. I would have expected a worse result for them getting a 1:72, but it'll take a while to recover, and this isn't enough to threaten the hex once healthy anyway.

The Allies land small force at Saumlaki. He wants another theatre open here, but this looks like a base force only. I'll try to get it back.

On the 28th a DA at Toungoo itself gets only a 1:13 and fails to further drop forts, which sit at level 4 now. Looking good for the moment.
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Morning Air attack on Onnekotan-jima , at 136,48

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 10
P-51B Mustang x 16
F4U-1A Corsair x 18
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed on ground
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed on ground


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
3 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Airbase hits 31
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 42

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 11000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 56,51 (near Toungoo)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 17754 troops, 340 guns, 241 vehicles, Assault Value = 462

Defending force 45364 troops, 370 guns, 261 vehicles, Assault Value = 1169

Allied adjusted assault: 54

Japanese adjusted defense: 3889

Allied assault odds: 1 to 72

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
135 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
2370 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 270 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 41 disabled
Guns lost 35 (2 destroyed, 33 disabled)


Assaulting units:
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
150th RAC Regiment
7th Indian Division
22nd (East African) Brigade
101st Heavy AA Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd Indian Heavy AA Regiment
86th Coast AA Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
249th Field Artillery Battalion
134th Field Artillery Battalion
XV Indian Corps
168th Field Artillery Regiment
181st Field Artillery Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
16th Division
77th Infantry Brigade
2nd Guards Division
16th Army
53rd Const Co
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
45th Ind.AA Gun Co
57th Field AA Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd RF Gun Battalion
8th RF Gun Battalion

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Ground combat at Toungoo (57,50)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 28339 troops, 250 guns, 90 vehicles, Assault Value = 1137

Defending force 22818 troops, 262 guns, 140 vehicles, Assault Value = 527

Allied adjusted assault: 295

Japanese adjusted defense: 3949

Allied assault odds: 1 to 13 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), fatigue(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
410 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 49 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 17 (2 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1497 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 226 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 56 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)


Assaulting units:
111th Chindit Brigade
14th Indian Division
75th Indian Brigade
77th Chindit Brigade
45th Indian Brigade
1st Manchester Battalion
17th Indian Division

Defending units:
108th Div /1
21st Division
26th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
115th AA Regiment
56th Field AA Battalion
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
Burma Area Army
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
62nd JAAF AF Bn
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I decided to send some feelers in near Chikuka to see what the Allies would send out. Tomorrow a major fleet will move up and toward what looks to be every ship type the Allies posses within 1-2 hexes of the base.

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