New to the game - Basic Questions

[rkr1958]

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Yes that is so.

So I guess it's with wink and a nod the Vichy merchantmen agree to inform the allies if enemy subs or ships are operating in the area. [;)]

[Joseignacio]

ORIGINAL: rkr1958

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Yes that is so.

So I guess it's with wink and a nod the Vichy merchantmen agree to inform the allies if enemy subs or ships are operating in the area. [;)]

Vichy handling is strange in this game. It's neutral so it shouldn't help any combat roll, but it's Axis friendly...

I am surprised about what Paul says but I am not ready to rebate it.

On second thought I'll try to:

Subtract 1 from your search roll for every 10 enemy convoy points (or part) in the sea area. This modifier does not apply to interception attempts, port attacks or during storm or blizzard. This modifier does apply after the first round of an interception combat.

I don't think a neutral Vichy qualifies as "enemy". Am I wrong? [&:]

[Centuur]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

ORIGINAL: rkr1958

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Yes that is so.

So I guess it's with wink and a nod the Vichy merchantmen agree to inform the allies if enemy subs or ships are operating in the area. [;)]

Vichy handling is strange in this game. It's neutral so it shouldn't help any combat roll, but it's Axis friendly...

I am surprised about what Paul says but I am not ready to rebate it.

On second thought I'll try to:

Subtract 1 from your search roll for every 10 enemy convoy points (or part) in the sea area. This modifier does not apply to interception attempts, port attacks or during storm or blizzard. This modifier does apply after the first round of an interception combat.

I don't think a neutral Vichy qualifies as "enemy". Am I wrong? [&:]

No, you are not wrong. But Vichy is not neutral in this game, but at war with the Allies.

[Joseignacio]

Ow Sh*t!. Thanks, Centuur

That's one of the problems when using the optional that you need to have convoys or TRS/AMPHs to have a supply line by sea, ..., the enemy can use it to help their rolls but you need to keep it for your supply. Only that in this case it may pay to sink it if there is a possibility to take good advantage of the lack of supply...

[rkr1958]

I'm playing with the optional rule, "Limited supply across straits." I have two screen caps to post for my question. This first screen cap is for the start of the turn. My second screen cap (next post) will be for the German and Italian use oil phases of the previous turn. I actually have two questions (one per cap/post).

1. Why is the German Bf-109 in Syracuse (in Sicily) out of supply while all other units are in supply?

[rkr1958]

Use oil phases previous turns.

2. Why can't I use oil to reorg the Italian NAV and two German fighters on Sicily? They appear to be in supply.

[Orm]

1) Sea supply is blocked And the fighter is not in supply range from Palermo (the only supply source on Sicily).

2) The units are in supply from Palermo. But the Messina straits is blocked (no sea supply), so no oil can reach Sicily.

One oil on Sicily would have solved this issue. Although it would be a nice target for enemy strat bombers. This is one of the reasons that I do not like to play with the limited supply across straits option at the same time as limited overseas supply.

[rkr1958]

Thanks! Wow, that explanation made my head hurt. [:D]

[paulderynck]

Yeah the wording for the rule got convoluted too because the absence of both a convoy and enemy units capable of attacking it (without friendly units present as well) should not prevent crossing straits with a resource or tracing for oil or supply. If this clause had not been included then FREX the resource in the Crimea could not get across the Kerch straits when no units from either side are in the Black Sea.

I can't recall if this last proviso is coded.

The interaction of LOS and Limited Supply Across Straits has been hotly debated, usually with opponents to the way it works citing the successful evacuation of the German divisions from Sicily in 1943.

[Courtenay]

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Yeah the wording for the rule got convoluted too because the absence of both a convoy and enemy units capable of attacking it (without friendly units present as well) should not prevent crossing straits with a resource or tracing for oil or supply. If this clause had not been included then FREX the resource in the Crimea could not get across the Kerch straits when no units from either side are in the Black Sea.

I can't recall if this last proviso is coded.

The interaction of LOS and Limited Supply Across Straits has been hotly debated, usually with opponents to the way it works citing the successful evacuation of the German divisions from Sicily in 1943.

Frankly I think that the way that LOS and limited supply across straits interact is broken, and it shows up most in Sicily. I am still unclear if the way it is currently coded is the way the rules are currently interpreted by ADG. They certainly aren't coded the way they are written, but I have a horrible suspicion that this is the way that ADG has interpreted the rules. At any rate, once I discovered how they interact, I have stopped using limited supply across straits, even though it is a rule I like.

[rkr1958]

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Yeah the wording for the rule got convoluted too because the absence of both a convoy and enemy units capable of attacking it (without friendly units present as well) should not prevent crossing straits with a resource or tracing for oil or supply. If this clause had not been included then FREX the resource in the Crimea could not get across the Kerch straits when no units from either side are in the Black Sea.

I can't recall if this last proviso is coded.

The interaction of LOS and Limited Supply Across Straits has been hotly debated, usually with opponents to the way it works citing the successful evacuation of the German divisions from Sicily in 1943.

Frankly I think that the way that LOS and limited supply across straits interact is broken, and it shows up most in Sicily. I am still unclear if the way it is currently coded is the way the rules are currently interpreted by ADG. They certainly aren't coded the way they are written, but I have a horrible suspicion that this is the way that ADG has interpreted the rules. At any rate, once I discovered how they interact, I have stopped using limited supply across straits, even though it is a rule I like.

OK, I'm convinced and still confused, so I just "turned" that optional off in my game. [8D]

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Yeah the wording for the rule got convoluted too because the absence of both a convoy and enemy units capable of attacking it (without friendly units present as well) should not prevent crossing straits with a resource or tracing for oil or supply. If this clause had not been included then FREX the resource in the Crimea could not get across the Kerch straits when no units from either side are in the Black Sea.

I can't recall if this last proviso is coded.

The interaction of LOS and Limited Supply Across Straits has been hotly debated, usually with opponents to the way it works citing the successful evacuation of the German divisions from Sicily in 1943.

Frankly I think that the way that LOS and limited supply across straits interact is broken, and it shows up most in Sicily. I am still unclear if the way it is currently coded is the way the rules are currently interpreted by ADG. They certainly aren't coded the way they are written, but I have a horrible suspicion that this is the way that ADG has interpreted the rules. At any rate, once I discovered how they interact, I have stopped using limited supply across straits, even though it is a rule I like.

It looks right to me. LOS is on and I see no Italian CP/Amph/TRS in the Italian coast. That is exactly how it is supposed to work per ADG.

The part I'm not sure is coded in MWiF is the part I mentioned using an empty Black Sea as an example (and of course that is with the assumption the Crimean resource has no other route out).

[paulderynck]

Another Black Sea example is the Turkish resource being lent to Germany. That should always get through as long as both sides of the straits are controlled by a neutral. I'm quite sure MWiF does that one properly.

[Joseignacio]

Ok, here goes my question:

When you want to use offensive chit to duplicate the units' power in an attack, ...

... is it possible to do it across the sea?

The wording seems to allow it but I am not 100% sure:

16.3 Land action
If you play an offensive chit at the start of a land action, specify 1 of your face-up HQs. You gain the following benefits:
ï you can double the combat factors of this major power’s land units within range of the HQ when you calculate the final odds for the overrun or land combat. You can do this for as many units in the impulse as twice the HQ’s reorganisation value. You can double the same unit in more than one overrun or land combat but it counts against the total each time. You can only double each unit once per overrun or land combat; and (...)

HQ benefits
If you use an offensive chit in an air or land action, you can apply some benefits within the “range” of an in supply major power or minor country HQ. A hex is within range if it is no further away in hexes and or hex-dots than the chosen HQ’s re-organisation value (ignoring terrain, neutral countries, enemy units and their ZOCs). Each Asian and Pacific map hex or hex-dot counts as 2 hexes for this purpose and each off-map hex counts as 4 hexes.

So I guess you can reorganize from Dover to Calais for example. Right? 'Cause sea is a "terrain"...

[Courtenay]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Ok, here goes my question:

When you want to use offensive chit to duplicate the units' power in an attack, ...

... is it possible to do it across the sea?

The wording seems to allow it but I am not 100% sure:

16.3 Land action
If you play an offensive chit at the start of a land action, specify 1 of your face-up HQs. You gain the following benefits:
ï you can double the combat factors of this major power’s land units within range of the HQ when you calculate the final odds for the overrun or land combat. You can do this for as many units in the impulse as twice the HQ’s reorganisation value. You can double the same unit in more than one overrun or land combat but it counts against the total each time. You can only double each unit once per overrun or land combat; and (...)

So I guess you can reorganize from Dover to Calais for example. Right? 'Cause sea is a "terrain"...

Yes, you can double across the sea. This is useful for Overlord.

You cannot reorganize across a sea, because you have to be able to trace a supply line using motorized movement costs from the HQ to the unit, and WiF does not have amphibious trucks.

[Joseignacio]

Thanks a lot.

[rkr1958]

Is there some prohibition against China giving resources to the USA?

I've stopped all trade from the US to China, but don't get the option to set up trade from China to US.

[paulderynck]

No prohibition except the Burma Road (which includes the RR going north from Hanoi) is one way inbound. It is possible the code dose not foresee a different pathway, if such is available.

[rkr1958]

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

No prohibition except the Burma Road (which includes the RR going north from Hanoi) is one way inbound. It is possible the code dose not foresee a different pathway, if such is available.

OK. I'll post a bug report then.

[rkr1958]

Ok, here's one for you (M)WiF rules experts. Is the following correct?

Germany has taken a combine, which gives them 1 naval move. In the Western Med, specifically Toulon, Vichy France, the Germans call select a stack of Vichy ships (e.g., all 8 organized ships) and move them out into the Western Med with no problem.

Now, let's say instead of moving Vichy ships from Toulon, Germany wishes to move Vichy ships into Cape Verde Basin from Dakar, Senegal. Germany can only select 1 ship and not a stack of more than one ship to move. If they try to move a stack of 2 or more ships they get a message that they're exceeding their naval moves. Is this correct?

P.S. After saving and reloading my game now Vichy can only move 1 ship from Toulon into the West Med. I guess this is correct then since Vichy is still not hostile to the allies?