Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor closed indefinitely

[MakeeLearn]

Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor closed indefinitely

"Hawaii News Now reports boat transportation to the attraction was suspended May 6 after one of the vessel operators noticed a crack on the outside of the memorial."

http://www.khq.com/story/38284598/arizo ... definitely

[btd64]

Read about this, this morning....GP

[BBfanboy]

I wonder if that is related to all the ground shifting associated with Kilauea's eruption. There has been much activity all around the Pacific Ring of Fire over the past several weeks.

[Gregg]

If you remember, the monument structure spanning the Arizona was hit by a ship about a year ago.
The cracking is very likely a result of that striking.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Gregg

If you remember, the monument structure spanning the Arizona was hit by a ship about a year ago.
The cracking is very likely a result of that striking.

I don't remember because I didn't know about that. Thanks for bringing it up!

[patrickl]

Thanks OP for the post. It is important to check the sights one intend to visit before embarking on the trip. Last year I went to Taiwan and could not visit the Army museum in Taipei as it was closed to renovation. I did manage to visit other museums but none were military ones.

[rustysi]

Bummer, thanks for the post. Needed info.

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

I wonder if that is related to all the ground shifting associated with Kilauea's eruption. There has been much activity all around the Pacific Ring of Fire over the past several weeks.

For Geologic activity Oahu and Kilauea are pretty far apart. The distance from Hilo to Honolulu is 337 Km (209 Mi). That's close to twice the distance between Mt St Helens and Seattle.

Also Hawaii is not part of the Ring of Fire. It's a completely different type of volcano. Most volcanoes are inland from subduction zones where ocean floor is sliding under a continental plate. The Pacific is shrinking because the Atlantic is growing, so there are a lot of subduction zones where the Pacific Plate is getting eaten. The Philippines, Japan, the Aleutians, and the Solomons are all caused by subduction zones. The Pacific NW volcanoes are caused by a small plate called the Juan de Fuca plate that is being squeezed between the Pacific and North American plates.

The Hawaiian volcanoes are in the middle of the Pacific Plate. It comes from an ancient hot spot. Hot spot volcanoes happen where the crust cracks and essentially the mantle leaks out. The lava tends to be thinner and flows more easily than subduction volcanoes. These types of volcanoes are usually less violent, but put on big shows compared to subduction volcanoes.

The Hawaiian hot spot has been there at least 100 million years. The Hawaiian chain continues as a string of underwater volcanoes across the Pacific until the disappear under the Aleutians. There is a new Hawaiian island forming SE of the big island of Hawaii. Iceland is another hot spot volcano.

Hot spot volcanoes don't tend to ever go away. They seem to exist for a long time, but because the plates move and the hot spots don't with respect to the core, they appear to move. The hot spot that created Iceland is thought to have originated on land in Siberia where it was the most dramatic volcano event in Geologic history. The lava flows are called the Siberian Traps. Traps is the Swedish word for steps and the mountains created look like mesas or steps. The lava flowed in Siberia for around a million years and came very close to extinguishing life on Earth. We have oil because of this event. The die off was so extensive the bacteria that normally decomposes corpses died too and the dead animals that died in the oceans were buried instead of decomposing. Over time their bodies broke down and made oil and natural gas. (Coal comes from dead trees that got buried.)

Because the plates moved the hot spot is now mostly under the Atlantic and it isn't spewing vast amounts of CO2 and SO2 into the atmosphere. SO2 when it combines with water makes sulfuric acid.

North America has a hot spot volcano too that formed about 14 million years ago in SE Oregon. When it was active in Oregon it covered all of eastern Oregon and much of eastern Washington with lava several thousand feet deep. North America has moved westward since then and the hot spot moved east where it's now under the Rockies which makes it one of the most dangerous volcanoes in the world. You have a volcano with thin, active lava that wants to flow, but it had a massive granite plug on top of it. It takes a long time to melt the granite plug and then when it does, it goes off with a boom that makes Mt St Helens look like a wet firecracker. That volcano is Yellowstone.

There was another volcano like Yellowstone that went off about 40,000 years ago on Sumatra. I believe this one was fueled by subduction, but it was still a big boom. Today it's a giant lake called Toba.

The Arizona Memorial may be developing cracks because the Arizona is collapsing. It is steel that has been submerged in shallow salt water for 75 years. I believe the structure is sunk into the bed of the harbor rather than using the ship for support, but the wreck might be shifting a bit as it falls apart and might be disturbing the foundations of the structure.

Bill

[Andrea G]

Damn, I am going to Hawaii this summer.

What else is there to visit, military related?

[wdolson]

There is a battleship still afloat (the Missouri) and the Pacific Aviation Museum, among other sites:

https://www.viator.com/Oahu-tourism/Historic-World-War-II-Sites-in-Oahu/d672-t4279

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: wdolson

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

I wonder if that is related to all the ground shifting associated with Kilauea's eruption. There has been much activity all around the Pacific Ring of Fire over the past several weeks.

For Geologic activity Oahu and Kilauea are pretty far apart. The distance from Hilo to Honolulu is 337 Km (209 Mi). That's close to twice the distance between Mt St Helens and Seattle.

Also Hawaii is not part of the Ring of Fire. It's a completely different type of volcano. Most volcanoes are inland from subduction zones where ocean floor is sliding under a continental plate. The Pacific is shrinking because the Atlantic is growing, so there are a lot of subduction zones where the Pacific Plate is getting eaten. The Philippines, Japan, the Aleutians, and the Solomons are all caused by subduction zones. The Pacific NW volcanoes are caused by a small plate called the Juan de Fuca plate that is being squeezed between the Pacific and North American plates.

The Hawaiian volcanoes are in the middle of the Pacific Plate. It comes from an ancient hot spot. Hot spot volcanoes happen where the crust cracks and essentially the mantle leaks out. The lava tends to be thinner and flows more easily than subduction volcanoes. These types of volcanoes are usually less violent, but put on big shows compared to subduction volcanoes.

The Hawaiian hot spot has been there at least 100 million years. The Hawaiian chain continues as a string of underwater volcanoes across the Pacific until the disappear under the Aleutians. There is a new Hawaiian island forming SE of the big island of Hawaii. Iceland is another hot spot volcano.

Hot spot volcanoes don't tend to ever go away. They seem to exist for a long time, but because the plates move and the hot spots don't with respect to the core, they appear to move. The hot spot that created Iceland is thought to have originated on land in Siberia where it was the most dramatic volcano event in Geologic history. The lava flows are called the Siberian Traps. Traps is the Swedish word for steps and the mountains created look like mesas or steps. The lava flowed in Siberia for around a million years and came very close to extinguishing life on Earth. We have oil because of this event. The die off was so extensive the bacteria that normally decomposes corpses died too and the dead animals that died in the oceans were buried instead of decomposing. Over time their bodies broke down and made oil and natural gas. (Coal comes from dead trees that got buried.)

Because the plates moved the hot spot is now mostly under the Atlantic and it isn't spewing vast amounts of CO2 and SO2 into the atmosphere. SO2 when it combines with water makes sulfuric acid.

North America has a hot spot volcano too that formed about 14 million years ago in SE Oregon. When it was active in Oregon it covered all of eastern Oregon and much of eastern Washington with lava several thousand feet deep. North America has moved westward since then and the hot spot moved east where it's now under the Rockies which makes it one of the most dangerous volcanoes in the world. You have a volcano with thin, active lava that wants to flow, but it had a massive granite plug on top of it. It takes a long time to melt the granite plug and then when it does, it goes off with a boom that makes Mt St Helens look like a wet firecracker. That volcano is Yellowstone.

There was another volcano like Yellowstone that went off about 40,000 years ago on Sumatra. I believe this one was fueled by subduction, but it was still a big boom. Today it's a giant lake called Toba.

The Arizona Memorial may be developing cracks because the Arizona is collapsing. It is steel that has been submerged in shallow salt water for 75 years. I believe the structure is sunk into the bed of the harbor rather than using the ship for support, but the wreck might be shifting a bit as it falls apart and might be disturbing the foundations of the structure.

Bill

Very interesting stuff! Were you a pro geologist, Bill, or just someone interested in earth's history?

[wdolson]

My sister is a Geologist. She's 10 years older and I lived with her part time when I was in high school and college. I picked up a lot from dinner time conversation.

I've also done some reading since. Geologic history is fascinating. There are lots of Geologic events I wouldn't want to witness, but they must have been awesome. The biggest flood in the entire Geologic record came right through my neighborhood. A wall of water 1500 ft (500 m) high.

[btd64]

Interesting stuff Bill. I've watched a lot of Earth's geo history shows on TV. Love the stuff....GP

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: wdolson


My sister is a Geologist. She's 10 years older and I lived with her part time when I was in high school and college. I picked up a lot from dinner time conversation.

I've also done some reading since. Geologic history is fascinating. There are lots of Geologic events I wouldn't want to witness, but they must have been awesome. The biggest flood in the entire Geologic record came right through my neighborhood. A wall of water 1500 ft (500 m) high.

That's a pile of water, but bigger than the draining of the Mediterranean into the Black Sea - that some think is the Biblical Flood that wiped out everything in the Middle East.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: wdolson


My sister is a Geologist. She's 10 years older and I lived with her part time when I was in high school and college. I picked up a lot from dinner time conversation.

I've also done some reading since. Geologic history is fascinating. There are lots of Geologic events I wouldn't want to witness, but they must have been awesome. The biggest flood in the entire Geologic record came right through my neighborhood. A wall of water 1500 ft (500 m) high.

That's a pile of water, but bigger than the draining of the Mediterranean into the Black Sea - that some think is the Biblical Flood that wiped out everything in the Middle East.

Yes, it happened about 6000 BCE. Must have been terrifying.

[rustysi]

ORIGINAL: Andrea G

Damn, I am going to Hawaii this summer.

What else is there to visit, military related?

The 'Punch Bowl', believe its for sub-mariners. There's a gun emplacement somewhere down there that I believe is between Pearl and Honolulu. There's also Diamond Head which still has the observation post that was built on top of it. I think its open to the public.

[rustysi]

Iceland is another hot spot volcano.

I'm no geologist, but I thought Iceland was on top of the North American and European plates, which are moving away from one another. Thus the split down the center of the land mass. My daughter had the opportunity to dive that split. She told me, dry suit or not it was damned cold. Not to mention that on her first attempt her regulator failed. That girl gives me more gray hair than I need. Guess its my fault, I brought her up to be adventurous. She now has a son. That should slow her down a bit![:D]

[solops]

ORIGINAL: wdolson


There is a battleship still afloat (the Missouri) and the Pacific Aviation Museum

There is also the USS Texas at the San Jacinto battleground park, located roughly between Houston and Galveston. It is, I believe, the last remaining example of dreadnought (pre-modern) battleship construction. This is not too far from NASA. When I was a kid you could go all over NASA. Now it is pretty restricted. Someone (Japan?) still has a pre-dreadnought BB somewhere. And I think the WWII Alabama is still in Mobile.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: solops

ORIGINAL: wdolson


There is a battleship still afloat (the Missouri) and the Pacific Aviation Museum

There is also the USS Texas at the San Jacinto battleground park, located roughly between Houston and Galveston. It is, I believe, the last remaining example of dreadnought (pre-modern) battleship construction. This is not too far from NASA. When I was a kid you could go all over NASA. Now it is pretty restricted. Someone (Japan?) still has a pre-dreadnought BB somewhere. And I think the WWII Alabama is still in Mobile.

Don't forget the BC Yavuz (sp?) in the Bosporus (Turkey). Former German BC Goeben, given to Turkey for siding with the Central Powers in WWI.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: solops

ORIGINAL: wdolson


There is a battleship still afloat (the Missouri) and the Pacific Aviation Museum

There is also the USS Texas at the San Jacinto battleground park, located roughly between Houston and Galveston. It is, I believe, the last remaining example of dreadnought (pre-modern) battleship construction. This is not too far from NASA. When I was a kid you could go all over NASA. Now it is pretty restricted. Someone (Japan?) still has a pre-dreadnought BB somewhere. And I think the WWII Alabama is still in Mobile.

Don't forget the BC Yavuz (sp?) in the Bosporus (Turkey). Former German BC Goeben, given to Turkey for siding with the Central Powers in WWI.

Was it broken up after it was decommissioned in 1970?