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[User2]

ORIGINAL: raptorx7

The SU-34 Fullback's (2017) radar can only detect units on the water or in the air, is this working as intended or an error?

I've already reported it in 2017 here fb.asp?m=4374001
Lots of planes lack ground search capabilities

[Dimitris]

ORIGINAL: raptorx7
The SU-34 Fullback's (2017) radar can only detect units on the water or in the air, is this working as intended or an error?

Are we talking about ground vehicles? If you remember, we had the same conversation about F-15E radars not detecting tanks sitting still.

[Rory Noonan]

ORIGINAL: raptorx7

The SU-34 Fullback's (2017) radar can only detect units on the water or in the air, is this working as intended or an error?

ORIGINAL: User2

I've already reported it in 2017 here fb.asp?m=4374001
Lots of planes lack ground search capabilities

Hey guys, can you post some saves showing unusual behaviour in this tech support thread?

This issue is a pretty well worn path but if there's a genuine issue and improvements can be made the tech support forum is the place for it to happen.

[Dimitris]

ORIGINAL: User2
Currently in the game lots of multirole crafts does not have ground search capabilities. Actually all currently operational Russian crafts, even those that were especially designed for ground attack role like su-24/su-34, do not see even large buildings on the ground. That's a shame. Even old su-24 radar can see moving ground targets in real life, let alone large ones.
Meanwhile most US multirole crafts, even old ones (ex. A-6E, 1975), see ground targets. The only exception I've found is multirole f-16. F-16 (at least multirole mods) should see ground targets too.
Most chinese crafts have the same problem too in the game. Only some future crafts (2017-2018+) where given ground search capabilities.

Actually it is a big issue. While the game is focused at Air-Naval warfare, most SAM systems are ground based, so ground search radars should be given more love.

Please submit your save files and references sources here: tm.asp?m=4497357 . Thanks.

[Raptorx7_slith]

ORIGINAL: apache85

ORIGINAL: raptorx7

The SU-34 Fullback's (2017) radar can only detect units on the water or in the air, is this working as intended or an error?

ORIGINAL: User2

I've already reported it in 2017 here fb.asp?m=4374001
Lots of planes lack ground search capabilities

Hey guys, can you post some saves showing unusual behaviour in this tech support thread?

This issue is a pretty well worn path but if there's a genuine issue and improvements can be made the tech support forum is the place for it to happen.

Yeah I could have worded this better. I've tested it against moving ground targets at various altitudes and the like but then I wen't and looked in the DB and it actually doesn't have ground search capability (It only has surface search, and air search) which I was surprised by, I figured it would have since it was an attack aircraft, so I posted here more to ask if it was a db error!

Trust me I am happy with your explanations about radar performance and the like from a while back, this was more of a "Huh, I figured this thing would have that capability" More than anything else, hence posting it in here.

[TheOttoman]

ORIGINAL: raptorx7

ORIGINAL: apache85

ORIGINAL: raptorx7

The SU-34 Fullback's (2017) radar can only detect units on the water or in the air, is this working as intended or an error?

ORIGINAL: User2

I've already reported it in 2017 here fb.asp?m=4374001
Lots of planes lack ground search capabilities

Hey guys, can you post some saves showing unusual behaviour in this tech support thread?

This issue is a pretty well worn path but if there's a genuine issue and improvements can be made the tech support forum is the place for it to happen.

Yeah I could have worded this better. I've tested it against moving ground targets at various altitudes and the like but then I wen't and looked in the DB and it actually doesn't have ground search capability (It only has surface search, and air search) which I was surprised by, I figured it would have since it was an attack aircraft, so I posted here more to ask if it was a db error!

Trust me I am happy with your explanations about radar performance and the like from a while back, this was more of a "Huh, I figured this thing would have that capability" More than anything else, hence posting it in here.

That's weird, I don't show a Su-34 Fullback from 2017 in the database, and the one I have (#3723) is listed for 2015 *and* does have ground radar.

What is the platform number, and which database are you using? I'm on Build 473

[Raptorx7_slith]

ORIGINAL: TheOttoman

ORIGINAL: raptorx7

ORIGINAL: apache85





Hey guys, can you post some saves showing unusual behaviour in this tech support thread?

This issue is a pretty well worn path but if there's a genuine issue and improvements can be made the tech support forum is the place for it to happen.

Yeah I could have worded this better. I've tested it against moving ground targets at various altitudes and the like but then I wen't and looked in the DB and it actually doesn't have ground search capability (It only has surface search, and air search) which I was surprised by, I figured it would have since it was an attack aircraft, so I posted here more to ask if it was a db error!

Trust me I am happy with your explanations about radar performance and the like from a while back, this was more of a "Huh, I figured this thing would have that capability" More than anything else, hence posting it in here.

That's weird, I don't show a Su-34 Fullback from 2017 in the database, and the one I have (#3723) is listed for 2015 *and* does have ground radar.

What is the platform number, and which database are you using? I'm on Build 473

That was a typo sorry, I am talking about the SU-34 (2015) version and its slot back radar does not have ground search capability. Your image is exactly what I see so I don't know what you're talking about, maybe you're getting confused by the LLTV below it which does have ground search.

[TheOttoman]

Okay.. now I understand what you're talking about...

Confusion abounds.

[Filitch]

Slot back (#6 in database) has no capabilities "Land Search - Fixed Facility", "Land Search - Mobile Unit". While AN/APG-70 (#1765) has ones. Database version - 473.

[Broncepulido]

Actually the Su-34 radar is Leninets V004, a PESA radar not related with the original series of NATO named Slot Back radar for Su-27 variants.
Between other performances:
- Maximum range 97,2 nm against aerial targets.
- Maximum range 135 nm against naval targets.
- Typical ground target range 81 nm.
- AFV target range 40,5 nm.
- Capable of tracking 10 targets simultaneously, capable of engage four naval targets or four aerial targets simultaneously, or a mix of both.
- PESA, Passive Electronically Scanned Radar.
- Is also a TFR/Terrain Following Radar.
- Compatible for designation of air-to-air target for R-77/AA-12 Adder and variants, R-27/AA-10 Alamo and R-73/AA-11 Archer missiles.
- X-Band.

- The existence or use in Su-34 of a sometimes annonced rear-facing search or air-to-air missiles fire control radar is in doubt.

Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-34
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1 ... 0%9B%D0%A1

[SeaQueen]

I really like "#605 - Structure (Tunnel Entrance)" because it encourages the construction of complex deeply buried sites. Does there exist an equivalent structure but armored with a blast door, similar to "#915 - A/C Underground Aircraft Shelter Entrance (Blast Doors)?"

I'd also suggest similar small, critical, hard to find and hit targets for the construction of deeply buried hardened complexes like air/ventilation shafts. These complexes might be very much like airbases, with many possible entrances, air supply points, electrical supply points, fuel supply points, water supply points, and deeply buried facilities distributed over a wide area which might be struck.

https://www.nap.edu/read/11282/chapter/4#15
https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/bunker.htm
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB439/

[Dysta]

ORIGINAL: SeaQueen

I really like "#605 - Structure (Tunnel Entrance)" because it encourages the construction of complex deeply buried sites. Does there exist an equivalent structure but armored with a blast door, similar to "#915 - A/C Underground Aircraft Shelter Entrance (Blast Doors)?"

I'd also suggest similar small, critical, hard to find and hit targets for the construction of deeply buried hardened complexes like air/ventilation shafts. These complexes might be very much like airbases, with many possible entrances, air supply points, and deeply buried facilities distributed over a wide area which might be struck.

And add unit garrison feature as well. TEL-based missile sites can house a dozen of those in the tunnel, and can be reloaded from inside if the missile is small enough.

[Rory Noonan]

ORIGINAL: Dysta

And add unit garrison feature as well. TEL-based missile sites can house a dozen of those in the tunnel, and can be reloaded from inside if the missile is small enough.

That's a lot more complicated than it is to type.

Much more appropriate for the feature request thread.

[Triode]

ORIGINAL: apache85

MGK-540M

There's essentially zero data on the MGK-540M set that I can find. Are you able to provide data for me to create the upgraded sensor package?

MGK-540M "Kizhuch" is updated version MGK-540 "Skat-3", early called "Skat-3M", with some modernization based on MGK-600B elements,
as examle they have unified software p.239-241:
http://www.oceanpribor.ru/docs/Proceedi ... 348p.).pdf



P.S. also Irtysh TASS, part of MGK-600 "Irtysh-Amphora" and MGK-600B "Irtysh-Amphora-B-055A", according to Boris Voronkov (hydroacoustic engineer, creator of optical hydrophones elements) have range 320km , dont know what he mean as "open press" may be some specialized journal, cant find it:
"In the open press there was information that the hydro-acoustic complex MGK-600B Irtysh-Amfora-B-055 was installed on the Borey submarine, have range (320 km) surpassing that of the Virginia (230 km). Note that these SSNs are installed GAK operating operating in the frequency range of 10-480 hertz Domestic "Irtysh-Amfora" is equipped with piezoceramic hydro-backgrounds, working in the area of sound frequencies, which in water at the distance of 10 kilometers are weakened by a factor of 10. Accordingly, the SJSC "Irtysh-Amfora" can successfully work with targets, in the acoustic spectrum of which there are intense sound components - fast-moving surface ships. To discover low-noise submarines of the probable enemy, whose radiation is mainly in the infrasonic range, this GAK is less suitable
https://www.ashurbeyli.ru/public/flippi ... page9.html

[Vulcan607]

Could you add the A7F Strikefighter prototype such a cool jet that really should have been adopted

[Dysta]

J-11A has confirmed to have new HMD helmet, very likely to be capable of using off-bore targeting missiles like PL-10:

[Rain08]

So I noticed that the earlier DB3K versions (like B440) have drop tanks for the F-35. I'm just wondering why were they removed?

[Sharana]

So I noticed that the earlier DB3K versions (like B440) have drop tanks for the F-35. I'm just wondering why were they removed?

Because they don't exist yet and no one but Israel wanted drop tanks for their F-35s. So when such are created (for Block 4 if I remember correctly in 4-5 years they will be added to the Israeli F-35s in the DB. But others aren't going to be using them.

[SeaQueen]

US HMMWV w/TOW Missile

http://www.armyrecognition.com/humvee_h ... ictur.html
https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m966.htm

[cdnice]

Other than in each release notes is there something/someplace that has an aggregate of all the DB additions? Tks