Indian 3rd Inf - set up in Rabaul?

[jboldt007]

StartIng a new GW game and I was able to set up an Indian infantry corps in Rabaul- I thought CW units couldn’t set up in the pacific bases during set up (until commonwealth reinforces pacific is in play)?

[Courtenay]

They can't. This is a bug.

[jboldt007]

Ah - I thought that might be the case. Argh - I don’t want to redo the CW set-up!

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

They can't. This is a bug.

Not according to the FAQ - Q13.3-11. Q1: Does "setting up" count as "enter?" A1: No. And that question specifically references the rule about option 36 as part of its "background" rules quotations.

I suspect though that this had more to do with confusion over setting up Dutch and NEI units in NEI and this was an unintended consequence.

Players may want to agree ahead of starting a game as to how to handle this. Also RAW8 specifies no set-up in Rabaul, so Harry likely made the FAQ ruling based on what RAW7 said versus what he originally intended. Although the end result in several cases was heavily debated on the forums after the fact, he tended to answer the FAQ questions this way, rather than be perceived as making blatant rules changes.

ORIGINAL: jboldt007

Ah - I thought that might be the case. Argh - I don’t want to redo the CW set-up!

About the set-up redo, if you get the game into a land movement phase and save, zip and post it, I can relocate that one unit for you.

[jboldt007]

Thanks Paul - since I’m still learning I may just play this out as a “what if...” or I could try to move the unit back to Singapore or something . The loss of Rabaul would be a blow to Japan (unless of course they could capture it) but would be interesting to know how much this would change the course of the war in the Pacific... as Japan seems to always get Rabaul...

[paulderynck]

I think (without looking) the Indian is a black print unit so once ground struck and OoS it should be brushed aside quite easily - but does require a significant commitment of Japanese forces compared with one Div and an SCS.

[jboldt007]

Yes - turns out I can move a transport there too so I could also just quietly evacuate the Indian INF unit to Singapore or somewhere before the inevitable DOW...

[jboldt007]

Always helps to actually read the rules- 13.3.2 RAC clearly states that units can set up in and reinforce these areas (applies to Guam and Philippines too)- units can’t move there until the correct option is played. So the Indian 3rd Infantry didn’t violate any rule and it’s not a big!

[jboldt007]

... not a bug...

[IBender]

So in my current set up for global game..(game is current patch) I realized I could break up an indian corp in game setup and put a division in singapore..I never noticed or realized this before. I think if I am reading the comments above that this is just fine? Am I correct?

[paulderynck]

Partly. You can set-up in Singapore legally, and the game let's you set-up in Rabaul, but that's a bug that is easily gotten around via self-enforcement.

However, although you can break down a corps on set-up, you are not supposed to put the resulting two Divs in different hexes - perhaps another one that needs self-enforcement?

[IBender]

Thank you I appreciate the information. I can self enforce.

[jboldt007]

I have no self restraint ... I think allowing a CW setup in Rabaul is ok. It makes sense in that Rabaul was and is clearly a hugely important port. In terms of of VPs in the context of average bid scores the Allies have their work cut out for them... they need all the help they can get...

[jboldt007]

Is it a bug? The RAC clearly allow such setups .. I realize RAW in most recent iteration doesn’t allow it it seems ..?

[paulderynck]

Where in the RAC is that?

[jboldt007]

I’m sure I read it ... honest.... I’ll look it up....

[Orm]

As far as I know, RAC has never allowed CW to set up the Indian INF in Rabaul.

And that divisions, that has been broken down into during setup, can be moved is a serious bug that needs to be fixed. Or at least 'enforced' in multiplayer games.

[jboldt007]

Ok so under 13.3 RAC (page 94 in the book) it says in reference to option 36 CW Reinforces Pacific “... Allied units can set up in and reinforce these areas. Units in these areas are free to move within the minor country or territory..”

Entry actions 40, 41, and 43 also says you can’t MOVE into these areas until the entry option is enacted...

[jboldt007]

... and I like it!. It adds a dimension the pacific arena - it is much easier for japan to take Rabaul than the other way around as already noted plus the CW is spread very thin so CW needs to allocate units carefully- reinforcing RAbaul could put, say, Singapore at risk....

[paulderynck]

See post #4. In CE (RAW8) you can't do it. If playing MWiF, I (personally) would not agree to allow set-up there, regardless of the side I am playing.

IMO Japan has it tough enough as it is.