Monday Night Montage (ex-Moose Crossings) - (J) vs. Bullwinkle/Obvert (A)

[Lokasenna]

December 18, 1944

This is the first day, I think, of this happening. Previous ground losses and airfield shutdown occurred from sea bombardment.

[Lokasenna]

December 18, 1944

A few mistakes in this area. Not the bases with enemy paratroops (although I should have had a combat garrison at Boac, the base just SW of Atimonan)... no, some bases closer to Manila are actually empty. The wooded hex, which I'm not concerned about (the southern tip has only token garrisons meant to stop paratroops only).

The paratroops at Legaspi were stopped and destroyed by IJ 2E bombing - wiped out to attrition at the end of the day.

With Boac's wooded terrain, that didn't happen. So, the Allies get a potential (probable) beachhead without needing to prep any troops or conduct any landings.

Batangas, the base just SW of Manila, has been left empty. This is a potentially catastrophic oversight on my part.

A final oversight - with Allied air bases on Mindanao, my search umbrella had to move... and I never set it back up beyond some token night search near Palawan and Leyte. I've been expecting a further jump up near Singapore, but this is still a criminal error.

A heavy Allied sub presence has been noted west of Luzon for some weeks now.

[Lokasenna]

December 18, 1944

Maximum altitude (for the airframe) Allied sweeps begin of Atimonan. At first I think this is to deplete my fighter strength, probably my LRCAP over Boac (if I set any, which I did for a day). I find out later that it was probably something else, although related.

I tried to use it as a learning opportunity to see what I could make work against the sweepers. I don't have amazing pilots in the units here, but the vaunted layered low CAP solution just was not working against the P-51D or the F4U-1D/A despite superior numbers.

[Lokasenna]

December 18, 1944

Air losses aren't that bad. Aside from the ground losses at Palembang, the Allies actually lost more planes on the day than we did. The F5A's were destroyed on the ground in Burma, and the Ki-83 netted all of those Spitfire kills down over Mindanao.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

December 14, 1944

During the second unloading phase, this occurs. This is definitely within the kamikaze activation zone as measured from Saigon, and Pontianak already has a level 1 AF so it qualifies.

I suspect this base was the reason for obvert's posting in the general forum recently about kamikaze activation zone. I don't think he planned to activate them, but he did.

[Lokasenna]

December 19, 1944

On the 19th, I lose a bunch more planes at Atimonan (mostly) to sweeps (mostly to Corsairs), vile things. The air losses on the day ended up being 120 of mine to 52 of his. Not exactly ideal. We also lose some bombers attempting to hit Prome with escorts/LRCAP.

Kudat, a base near Jesselton, is taken by Allied paratroops. This also could've been what spurred obvert's kamikaze question but I can't remember if it has an airfield.

BB Musashi eats a torpedo outside Manila on its way out of the port, where it had been repairing moderate levels of system damage. She'll have to head back to Japan now.

Allied paratroopers take the island of Sibuyan, near Boac. This area is impossible to defend without giving up lots of ships, but knowing it could happen like this doesn't mean I like it at all.

I'm holding out hope that 200K+ supplies at Manila behind level 9 forts, with 1800ish AV, will at least chew up some of the Allied units for a month or two.

With kamikazes active, I've been converting some 50+ plane units back in Japan to kamikaze duty and filling them out with Exp 50+/LowN 70+ pilots. We'll see what use they can be. I learned that it costs 10 VPs to even convert a unit to kamikaze.

[Lokasenna]

December 20, 1944

Alarm bells start to go off on this day - such that I took an extra day to sit on the turn while I considered options. I really need to get over this dread of running the turns so that there isn't as much time in between them.

On the positive side, some submarine sinking sounds were heard during the replay. Hopefully he's feeling the bite of all those 250kg GP bombs on the Jills/Judys/Graces/Helens on ASW. Speaking of - about a week ago I thought he might perhaps be getting clues about KB's location from the D4Y4 and Grace search/ASW hits on submarines in the South China Sea. So I rejiggered some LBA a little bit to have some D4Y4 and Grace units on Luzon and at Takao flying ASW so that he'd think (maybe) that KB was floating around the northern tip of Luzon.

The alarms start almost immediately. In the AM search phase, a gaggle of Allied TFs are spotted at Boac, as well as to the south, west, and southwest. I lose over 20 Jakes to CAP while on search/ASW. I do not get very many good hits, so DL on Allied TFs is poor. This is where my lack of a suitable search net, even just at night, comes back to bite me.

Jills and Kates fly unescorted against Sibuyan, where many of them are shot down to 3 CVE-type VF units that were diverted to the hex. Helens and Peggys, lots of them, fly against Boac with a smattering of escorts and some LRCAP, but are shot down - in the combat report, over 12 CV/CVL-type VF units (assuming they're still on their native carriers) are present. This is extremely concerning.

It is at this point that I realize that Batangas, the base SW of Manila, has absolutely nothing at it. And is a clear hex. And has no forts built whatsoever. So the defense of Luzon is going to be at Manila pretty immediately. If he's coming to land at Batangas, there isn't going to be much I can do about it (some MTBs and SSX's out of desperation) aside from whatever air power I can muster... and KB is 23 hexes away from Batangas and only able to make 7 hexes per phase in its current configuration. As are the vast bulk of my surface forces. He hasn't had eyes on my navy for days now, but at the beginning of the 20th a submarine spots a group of cruisers and BBs outside Soc Trang, where they have been loitering in anticipation of a move near Singapore.

Air losses on this day end up being 231 for me and 71 for him. Of mine, 31 are Jills and 51 are Peggys based at Luzon.

Effing Corsairs are even killing Ki-83's at max altitude despite comparable/better stats for the Ki-83 up there.

[Lokasenna]

The fall of Luzon, which now appears to be happening early in 1945, is going to have enormous ramifications - bad and good, but almost entirely bad. It is essentially a linchpin holding the entire SW corner of Japanese territory together.

Bad Dominoes
Without Luzon, I can't reliably supply Singapore and Burma because I'll have lost the ability to use large enough convoys to matter.

Without the supply, I can't continue to defend Singapore and Rangoon in strength.

Without continuing to hold the line I've been holding outside Rangoon (where I'm rather proud of the stalemate that shows no signs of letting up), all of Malaysia is threatened - and there is no good place to defend on land until you get back to the Chiang Mai + Uttaradit/Rahaeng area.

However, with Luzon down... the coast of Indochina is now vulnerable, essentially in the rear of Thailand.

So essentially, I'm going to have to abandon everything west and south of some point in northern Indochina. I also do not really have the infrastructure in place to defend at that area yet. It's coming along, but it's not there yet.

One major factor to my ability to delay the autovictory threshold is remaining in control of China. That's going to start to look at least somewhat dicey in a couple of months.

I have a few divisions' worth of troops that may be trapped in the middle-PI at Tacloban and Baybay.

"Good" things
With less territory to defend (defending Rangoon, Luzon, Singapore, and Sumatra to various degrees is too hard with this OOB), I will be able to better concentrate my air power.

I added up all the base VPs that would swap hands. Without accounting for various OOB losses (LCUs, air, ships), the 3 major bases (Manila, Singapore, Rangoon) changing to Allied hands would "only" shift the VP ratio from 1.444:1 in my favor to about 1.25:1 in my favor. I need to keep this context in mind when I am considering when and how much to commit to major defensive efforts. I can't throw away my major fleet elements to defend any of these, for example. They must be held back to deter larger-than-necessary Allied hops towards Japan or China.

On the 19th of December, I adjusted my Refinery and HI production in Japan. At current stocks, Oil in Japan will last until the end of January 1946. Same for fuel (which doesn't account for ship expenditures). However, Resources are still sitting at only 10.5M stored, which is a 151-day stockpile. Supplies in Japan are at 3.6M and empire-wide they are at 6.6M. So I am probably OK here, but it will depend on pace of operations and relative rates of attrition. If I begin losing hundreds of planes per day and my LCUs take too many replacements, I could start to run short.

Iffy things
Not sure I can leave enough of a garrison at various bases in SE Asia to significantly slow an Allied march from Burma or Malaysia. I have forts 9 at Moulmein, for example... but I don't know if they'll ever be used now. Forts at Rangoon are at 7. Whatever troops are left to defend there will die there. Almost all of my troops are crack units at this point, particularly in Asia - veterans of the long Chungking siege. Am I really willing to spend a division or two of 90+ Exp troops defending places I'm going to lose rather quickly in any case just because there are high forts there? That's part of the reason I recently withdrew 2+ divisions from the Marianas. With the thrust in the PI, they just weren't worth having there anymore.

[Lokasenna]

December 21, 1944

I set up a bunch more night search, but wasn't optimistic that they'd fly on this night or have a 1-day delay in switching to night phase (as usually happens with fighters and bombers).

They show the Allied armada basically holding in place, which is both good and bad. It means they aren't coming for Batangas (I hope), but that also means that the LRCAP I set over Batangas (only some of which could bleed to Boac) will be wasted.

I set up about 250 planes to strike during the day phase here. A number of fighters are set to sweep Boac as well, where I expected to at least find CVE-based CAP and other LRCAP. It's now looking like it will be much more than that. Bracing for a 300+ loss day.

My night phase attacks of missile-armed Bettys and torpedo-armed Peggys do not fly at all, despite already having been set to night. I didn't expect much out of them, but maybe they'd burn some flak ammo while they missed.

[Lokasenna]

December 21, 1944

The morning/daytime naval movement phase is one of the longest "game is doing stuff" pauses I've seen for a movement phase, without. But no engagements or reports of contacts. I don't know if the length of the computation means anything, but it stuck out to me.

Our air search begins. Hopefully when our strikes come, they aren't too fragmented.

[Lokasenna]

December 21, 1944

Something that happened yesterday, too - Erik is getting great results from his LRCAP based over 8 hexes away on Mindanao. My search altitudes are varied somewhat. This particular unit was all the way up at 29K.

Other search losses to CAP in the hex to the west of Boac, as well as 2 hexes to the SW of Boac. I don't understand why the Allied CV/CVL/CVE fleet is split up like this, but I can't do anything about it because my fleet is out of position.

Another thing making that harder is the Allies now have long range naval search occurring in the South China Sea - I have TFs spotted as far north as Cam Ranh Bay. So KB and my big SCTFs are unlikely to be able to get back east undetected.

[Lokasenna]

December 21, 1944

An observant player can pick out a lot of detail and some patterns by paying close attention to the replay.

[mind_messing]

I think you're going to need to give up the stalemate in Burma simply to secure the back end areas that are now exposed.

Sending what you have in Northern Burma into the mountains around Paoshan might be something worth considering. The terrain is excellent for defence, and that might let you peel off some troops to lock down Canton & Hong Kong.

The next best axis of defense that I can see is Moulmein-Rahaeng-Utteradit. It's pretty decent terrain, blocks his armoured advance and has decent routes for you to run away if you need to. Holding Chiang Mai would be nice, but I'd give that up if it meant getting garrison units into Indochina.
I'd hope that such a massive consolidation of your position would give you enough to contest Indochina, but it's got a lot of bases with a lot of distance between them.

I wouldn't beat yourself up about Luzon, all the terrain south of Manila is absolute garbage for defending anyways. Manila is the key hex for Luzon, as it's a bottleneck for the advance and nicely protected from the atomic naval bombardments. The x2 terrain helps a great deal also.

If you haven't already, Canton, Hong Kong and the surrounding regions need to be ready to fight of an invasion ASAP. The Hanoi to Hong Kong coastline is just lovely terrain for the Allies to throw a couple dozen tank units ashore

Regarding the value of leaving speedbumps for the Allies, I'd rather have five divisions delay one hex that one division each holding five different hexes. You've two major bottlenecks in the SEA area - the Malaysian penisula tapers down to two hexes, and another at Hanoi, with the road/rail hub. You give up a lot of territory in between, but you can't hold it all and the VP losses if your troops get cut off and destoryed will be much greater than the actual value of the bases anyhow.

[Canoerebel]

This made for compelling reading. Action reports are the heart and soul of AARs, but detailed thoughtful analysis is pretty uncommon.

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

The fall of Luzon, which now appears to be happening early in 1945, is going to have enormous ramifications - bad and good, but almost entirely bad. It is essentially a linchpin holding the entire SW corner of Japanese territory together.

Bad Dominoes
Without Luzon, I can't reliably supply Singapore and Burma because I'll have lost the ability to use large enough convoys to matter.

Without the supply, I can't continue to defend Singapore and Rangoon in strength.

Without continuing to hold the line I've been holding outside Rangoon (where I'm rather proud of the stalemate that shows no signs of letting up), all of Malaysia is threatened - and there is no good place to defend on land until you get back to the Chiang Mai + Uttaradit/Rahaeng area.

However, with Luzon down... the coast of Indochina is now vulnerable, essentially in the rear of Thailand.

So essentially, I'm going to have to abandon everything west and south of some point in northern Indochina. I also do not really have the infrastructure in place to defend at that area yet. It's coming along, but it's not there yet.

One major factor to my ability to delay the autovictory threshold is remaining in control of China. That's going to start to look at least somewhat dicey in a couple of months.

I have a few divisions' worth of troops that may be trapped in the middle-PI at Tacloban and Baybay.

"Good" things
With less territory to defend (defending Rangoon, Luzon, Singapore, and Sumatra to various degrees is too hard with this OOB), I will be able to better concentrate my air power.

I added up all the base VPs that would swap hands. Without accounting for various OOB losses (LCUs, air, ships), the 3 major bases (Manila, Singapore, Rangoon) changing to Allied hands would "only" shift the VP ratio from 1.444:1 in my favor to about 1.25:1 in my favor. I need to keep this context in mind when I am considering when and how much to commit to major defensive efforts. I can't throw away my major fleet elements to defend any of these, for example. They must be held back to deter larger-than-necessary Allied hops towards Japan or China.

On the 19th of December, I adjusted my Refinery and HI production in Japan. At current stocks, Oil in Japan will last until the end of January 1946. Same for fuel (which doesn't account for ship expenditures). However, Resources are still sitting at only 10.5M stored, which is a 151-day stockpile. Supplies in Japan are at 3.6M and empire-wide they are at 6.6M. So I am probably OK here, but it will depend on pace of operations and relative rates of attrition. If I begin losing hundreds of planes per day and my LCUs take too many replacements, I could start to run short.

Iffy things
Not sure I can leave enough of a garrison at various bases in SE Asia to significantly slow an Allied march from Burma or Malaysia. I have forts 9 at Moulmein, for example... but I don't know if they'll ever be used now. Forts at Rangoon are at 7. Whatever troops are left to defend there will die there. Almost all of my troops are crack units at this point, particularly in Asia - veterans of the long Chungking siege. Am I really willing to spend a division or two of 90+ Exp troops defending places I'm going to lose rather quickly in any case just because there are high forts there? That's part of the reason I recently withdrew 2+ divisions from the Marianas. With the thrust in the PI, they just weren't worth having there anymore.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

I think you're going to need to give up the stalemate in Burma simply to secure the back end areas that are now exposed.

Sending what you have in Northern Burma into the mountains around Paoshan might be something worth considering. The terrain is excellent for defence, and that might let you peel off some troops to lock down Canton & Hong Kong.

The next best axis of defense that I can see is Moulmein-Rahaeng-Utteradit. It's pretty decent terrain, blocks his armoured advance and has decent routes for you to run away if you need to. Holding Chiang Mai would be nice, but I'd give that up if it meant getting garrison units into Indochina.
I'd hope that such a massive consolidation of your position would give you enough to contest Indochina, but it's got a lot of bases with a lot of distance between them.

I wouldn't beat yourself up about Luzon, all the terrain south of Manila is absolute garbage for defending anyways. Manila is the key hex for Luzon, as it's a bottleneck for the advance and nicely protected from the atomic naval bombardments. The x2 terrain helps a great deal also.

If you haven't already, Canton, Hong Kong and the surrounding regions need to be ready to fight of an invasion ASAP. The Hanoi to Hong Kong coastline is just lovely terrain for the Allies to throw a couple dozen tank units ashore

Regarding the value of leaving speedbumps for the Allies, I'd rather have five divisions delay one hex that one division each holding five different hexes. You've two major bottlenecks in the SEA area - the Malaysian penisula tapers down to two hexes, and another at Hanoi, with the road/rail hub. You give up a lot of territory in between, but you can't hold it all and the VP losses if your troops get cut off and destoryed will be much greater than the actual value of the bases anyhow.

Upper Thailand would still be exposed to being cut off via invasion in Indochina. If I maintained a strong defense at Rahaeng, even extending to Moulmein for a while... first, how would I maintain supplies? It would all have to flow overland beginning in about 3 weeks (or less, maybe).

Second, if I'm at Rahaeng and the Allies land in strength at Hue, they're going to trap whatever's in Thailand.

With Luzon in enemy hands, the ability to disrupt any landings west of Hong Kong because very hard.

I have about 5000 AV in Burma and Malaysia. I've already begun railing support units towards Ubon (hoping he doesn't notice much of anything missing from Singapore, which is now under constant surveillance). A while back I withdrew about 1500 AV from the front lines in Burma.


It also turns out that I have ~1300 AV spread between the middle PI bases. My only way to get them out is going to be via air transports. That's how most of them got there, so I think I can do it, but we'll see.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This made for compelling reading. Action reports are the heart and soul of AARs, but detailed thoughtful analysis is pretty uncommon.

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

The fall of Luzon, which now appears to be happening early in 1945, is going to have enormous ramifications - bad and good, but almost entirely bad. It is essentially a linchpin holding the entire SW corner of Japanese territory together.

Bad Dominoes
Without Luzon, I can't reliably supply Singapore and Burma because I'll have lost the ability to use large enough convoys to matter.

Without the supply, I can't continue to defend Singapore and Rangoon in strength.

Without continuing to hold the line I've been holding outside Rangoon (where I'm rather proud of the stalemate that shows no signs of letting up), all of Malaysia is threatened - and there is no good place to defend on land until you get back to the Chiang Mai + Uttaradit/Rahaeng area.

However, with Luzon down... the coast of Indochina is now vulnerable, essentially in the rear of Thailand.

So essentially, I'm going to have to abandon everything west and south of some point in northern Indochina. I also do not really have the infrastructure in place to defend at that area yet. It's coming along, but it's not there yet.

One major factor to my ability to delay the autovictory threshold is remaining in control of China. That's going to start to look at least somewhat dicey in a couple of months.

I have a few divisions' worth of troops that may be trapped in the middle-PI at Tacloban and Baybay.

"Good" things
With less territory to defend (defending Rangoon, Luzon, Singapore, and Sumatra to various degrees is too hard with this OOB), I will be able to better concentrate my air power.

I added up all the base VPs that would swap hands. Without accounting for various OOB losses (LCUs, air, ships), the 3 major bases (Manila, Singapore, Rangoon) changing to Allied hands would "only" shift the VP ratio from 1.444:1 in my favor to about 1.25:1 in my favor. I need to keep this context in mind when I am considering when and how much to commit to major defensive efforts. I can't throw away my major fleet elements to defend any of these, for example. They must be held back to deter larger-than-necessary Allied hops towards Japan or China.

On the 19th of December, I adjusted my Refinery and HI production in Japan. At current stocks, Oil in Japan will last until the end of January 1946. Same for fuel (which doesn't account for ship expenditures). However, Resources are still sitting at only 10.5M stored, which is a 151-day stockpile. Supplies in Japan are at 3.6M and empire-wide they are at 6.6M. So I am probably OK here, but it will depend on pace of operations and relative rates of attrition. If I begin losing hundreds of planes per day and my LCUs take too many replacements, I could start to run short.

Iffy things
Not sure I can leave enough of a garrison at various bases in SE Asia to significantly slow an Allied march from Burma or Malaysia. I have forts 9 at Moulmein, for example... but I don't know if they'll ever be used now. Forts at Rangoon are at 7. Whatever troops are left to defend there will die there. Almost all of my troops are crack units at this point, particularly in Asia - veterans of the long Chungking siege. Am I really willing to spend a division or two of 90+ Exp troops defending places I'm going to lose rather quickly in any case just because there are high forts there? That's part of the reason I recently withdrew 2+ divisions from the Marianas. With the thrust in the PI, they just weren't worth having there anymore.

It's the only way to properly report. Pictures are just pictures. They're meaningless without big picture context.

I have about 25 more pictures from the replay of the 21st. I haven't done anything with the turn yet. It was not a good day. Not all bad, but lots of bad. I don't know if I'll post all of them for the sake of not spamming 12+ posts on just action at Boac, but...

[mind_messing]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

I think you're going to need to give up the stalemate in Burma simply to secure the back end areas that are now exposed.

Sending what you have in Northern Burma into the mountains around Paoshan might be something worth considering. The terrain is excellent for defence, and that might let you peel off some troops to lock down Canton & Hong Kong.

The next best axis of defense that I can see is Moulmein-Rahaeng-Utteradit. It's pretty decent terrain, blocks his armoured advance and has decent routes for you to run away if you need to. Holding Chiang Mai would be nice, but I'd give that up if it meant getting garrison units into Indochina.
I'd hope that such a massive consolidation of your position would give you enough to contest Indochina, but it's got a lot of bases with a lot of distance between them.

I wouldn't beat yourself up about Luzon, all the terrain south of Manila is absolute garbage for defending anyways. Manila is the key hex for Luzon, as it's a bottleneck for the advance and nicely protected from the atomic naval bombardments. The x2 terrain helps a great deal also.

If you haven't already, Canton, Hong Kong and the surrounding regions need to be ready to fight of an invasion ASAP. The Hanoi to Hong Kong coastline is just lovely terrain for the Allies to throw a couple dozen tank units ashore

Regarding the value of leaving speedbumps for the Allies, I'd rather have five divisions delay one hex that one division each holding five different hexes. You've two major bottlenecks in the SEA area - the Malaysian penisula tapers down to two hexes, and another at Hanoi, with the road/rail hub. You give up a lot of territory in between, but you can't hold it all and the VP losses if your troops get cut off and destoryed will be much greater than the actual value of the bases anyhow.

Upper Thailand would still be exposed to being cut off via invasion in Indochina. If I maintained a strong defense at Rahaeng, even extending to Moulmein for a while... first, how would I maintain supplies? It would all have to flow overland beginning in about 3 weeks (or less, maybe).

Second, if I'm at Rahaeng and the Allies land in strength at Hue, they're going to trap whatever's in Thailand.

With Luzon in enemy hands, the ability to disrupt any landings west of Hong Kong because very hard.

I have about 5000 AV in Burma and Malaysia. I've already begun railing support units towards Ubon (hoping he doesn't notice much of anything missing from Singapore, which is now under constant surveillance). A while back I withdrew about 1500 AV from the front lines in Burma.


It also turns out that I have ~1300 AV spread between the middle PI bases. My only way to get them out is going to be via air transports. That's how most of them got there, so I think I can do it, but we'll see.

It's a horrible corner of the map to defend in. The Hue-Vinh-Vietnenne area is probably your best bet, it gives up a great deal however. It also gives you the possibility of a fighting retreat into China, then an escape via railroad to Manchuria before the Soviet activation, or a last stand in Festung Hong Kong or Shanghai to deny the shipyards.

I suppose it doesn't really matter what you do so long as they don't get cut off. It's a lot of army VPs.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

December 21, 1944

Erik is getting great results from his LRCAP based over 8 hexes away on Mindanao.

Can you elaborate here? Great results how? I think I know, but often I don't.[;)]

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

December 21, 1944

Erik is getting great results from his LRCAP based over 8 hexes away on Mindanao.

Can you elaborate here? Great results how? I think I know, but often I don't.[;)]

As in they're actually flying/being in the hex, and in large numbers. Even before the CVEs arrived here, I was seeing a high number of planes in the hex and there at once (instead of trickling in). I would need to go back to a combat report text to see exactly how many, but it would be only about 4-5 days ago now.

I use Range 0 and high percentages, which is what I would expect to result in LRCAP numbers like that - but I don't see LRCAP numbers like that. I don't know why the difference.

[Lokasenna]

December 21, 1944

Lots of battles over Boac. I initially took a lot of screenshots (I have 12 saved with comments in my folder), but will only share 1 here I think as future events have sucked some air out of the room.

I had anticipated perhaps a landing at Batangas, which was left undefended. Therefore, some measure of my LRCAP efforts were diverted to that hex in case the Allied fleet moved northwest to there.

They stayed put, so a number of fighter squadrons (perhaps 120 planes) were not devoted to this effort. Some raids flew without escorts, or poorly escorted, while other smaller raids flew with 150 escorts.