Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A)

[Miller]

11th-20th March 44

I've split my CV fleet into two halves. The the fast 30Kt+ CVs are at Singers, while the rest (Kaga, Junyo/Hiyo and all the CVL/Es) remain at Babeldaob. He has had an RN surface fleet sitting under 150 fighters at Ramree Is for a good while now which does the occasional bombardment of Moulmein. I tried a co-ordinated attack on it sending my CVs on a high speed run to get in range undectected whilst setting 200 Franks to sweep from Moulmein plus 150 Oscars on low naval attack. Unfortunately the weather gods prevented any attack other than unescorted B24s hitting Moulmein, destroying 100 a/c, mostly Oscars on the ground[:@] Back to the drawing board.

One bright spot is the result of his first ground attack my his mega stack there:
Ground combat at Moulmein (55,55)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 238758 troops, 3940 guns, 4259 vehicles, Assault Value = 9495

Defending force 150939 troops, 1527 guns, 2029 vehicles, Assault Value = 4357

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 4865

Japanese adjusted defense: 37727[:D]

Allied assault odds: 1 to 7 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4949 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 303 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 90 disabled
Engineers: 17 destroyed, 259 disabled
Guns lost 165 (17 destroyed, 148 disabled)
Vehicles lost 78 (16 destroyed, 62 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
23034 casualties reported
Squads: 523 destroyed, 2219 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 758 disabled
Engineers: 40 destroyed, 660 disabled
Guns lost 426 (79 destroyed, 347 disabled)
Vehicles lost 463 (11 destroyed, 452 disabled)

Assaulting units:
11th (East African) Division
26th Indian Division
6th Australian Division
Provisionl Tank Brigade
XXXIII Corps Engineer Battalion
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
25th Indian Division
7th Australian Division
1st New Chinese Corps
9th Indian Division
50th Tank Brigade
Gardner's Horse Regiment
3rd Cavalry Regiment
150th RAC Regiment
22nd (East African) Brigade
19th Indian Division
5th Indian Division
Guides Cavalry Regiment
2nd British Division
16th Light Cavalry Regiment
18th British Division
255th Armoured Brigade
254th Armoured Brigade
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
5th Chinese Corps
11th Indian Division
17th Indian Division
268th Motorised Brigade
209th Combat Engineer Battalion
9th Australian Division
2/9th Field Regiment
48th Light AA Regiment
III Indian Corps
77th Heavy AA Regiment
6th Mixed A/T Mtr Regiment
28th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
IV Indian Corps
6th Medium Regiment
29th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
XV Indian Corps
42nd Cavalry Engineer Regiment
2/13th Field Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
16th Indian Heavy AA Regiment
I Australian Corps
85th British AT Gun Regiment
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
1st RM Heavy AA Regiment
26th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
8th Medium Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
XXXIII Indian Corps
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
848th Engineer Aviation Battalion

Defending units:
14th Division
4th Division
3rd Tank Division
4th Raiding Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
9th Division
2nd Division
10th Division
1st Division
27th Electric Engineer Regiment
33rd Division
55th Division
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
1st Ind. Engineer Regiment
58th Field AA Battalion
7th JAAF Base Force
41st Ind.AA Gun Co
53rd Field AA Battalion
35th Const Co
15th Army
16th Army
28th Army
9th RF Gun Battalion
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
8th Area Army
Burma Area Army
48th Road Const Co
55th Construction Battalion
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
10th RF Gun Battalion
46th Road Const Co
47th Road Const Co
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Southern Army
2nd Air Division
11th Shipping Engineer Regiment
54th Construction Battalion
56th Construction Battalion
55th Field AA Battalion
36th Const Co
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
59th Field AA Battalion
34th Const Co
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
54th Field AA Battalion
41st Air Defense AA Regiment
6th Naval Construction Battalion
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th RF Gun Battalion
5th Naval Construction Battalion
11th JAAF Base Force

I'm not sure I've seen a higher adjusted AV than that in all my games up to now.


Elsewhere he is very active in the air in China with daily sweeps and B24 raids, I've simply withdrawn all my fighters out of range for the time being. Recon shows he now has 60+ units at Chihkiang so I'm rather worried he is going to make a big push from there soon. I'm scraping up what I can to try and be ready for it. Meanwhile down at Darwin he has marched a division and a few bits and pieces up to it and it is also getting the daily B24 treatment. I've plenty of transports in the area to lift out the div and support units there when the time comes...

[RangerJoe]

10% casualties number wise but about 25% AV wise is a very good battle for you. [&o] Is there any way that you could possibly trap him there? That would put him in a difficult position.

If you can put MTB TFs to pop in and out of Moulmein, you could possible have his SCTF left in the open for your LBA and your KB air. Combine that with mini subs and you could wreck a few ships. If he lets his DDs bombard, some minefields there will also help.

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: Miller

11th-20th March 44

I've split my CV fleet into two halves. The the fast 30Kt+ CVs are at Singers, while the rest (Kaga, Junyo/Hiyo and all the CVL/Es) remain at Babeldaob. He has had an RN surface fleet sitting under 150 fighters at Ramree Is for a good while now which does the occasional bombardment of Moulmein. I tried a co-ordinated attack on it sending my CVs on a high speed run to get in range undectected whilst setting 200 Franks to sweep from Moulmein plus 150 Oscars on low naval attack. Unfortunately the weather gods prevented any attack other than unescorted B24s hitting Moulmein, destroying 100 a/c, mostly Oscars on the ground[:@] Back to the drawing board.

One bright spot is the result of his first ground attack my his mega stack there:
Ground combat at Moulmein (55,55)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 238758 troops, 3940 guns, 4259 vehicles, Assault Value = 9495

Defending force 150939 troops, 1527 guns, 2029 vehicles, Assault Value = 4357

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 4865

Japanese adjusted defense: 37727[:D]

Allied assault odds: 1 to 7 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4949 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 303 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 90 disabled
Engineers: 17 destroyed, 259 disabled
Guns lost 165 (17 destroyed, 148 disabled)
Vehicles lost 78 (16 destroyed, 62 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
23034 casualties reported
Squads: 523 destroyed, 2219 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 758 disabled
Engineers: 40 destroyed, 660 disabled
Guns lost 426 (79 destroyed, 347 disabled)
Vehicles lost 463 (11 destroyed, 452 disabled)


I'm not sure I've seen a higher adjusted AV than that in all my games up to now.


Elsewhere he is very active in the air in China with daily sweeps and B24 raids, I've simply withdrawn all my fighters out of range for the time being. Recon shows he now has 60+ units at Chihkiang so I'm rather worried he is going to make a big push from there soon. I'm scraping up what I can to try and be ready for it. Meanwhile down at Darwin he has marched a division and a few bits and pieces up to it and it is also getting the daily B24 treatment. I've plenty of transports in the area to lift out the div and support units there when the time comes...

I have never seen a number that high … even the 10x multiplier would be one of the highest I've ever seen. GREAT roll!!!

[&o][&o][&o]

PS: Is Southern army 100% preppe3d for Moulmein?

[Lowpe]

Another great result![&o][&o][&o]

[GetAssista]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
PS: Is Southern army 100% preppe3d for Moulmein?

Must be both that and some army HQ, plus many LCUs prepared themselves cause it is the latter that translates HQ bonus into real AV multipliers. Combined HQs are great if you have the time to perpare them and all the LCUs for the bottleneck base.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Miller

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Am I correct in thinking that the Allies only get about 500 of that P47? 500 of the 2nd type for around 1000 total until Dec of 44 or something?

No idea but here's hoping. I'm sure that loss total for them is about half in reality.

I've been trying to remember without opening the game...

The D25 model is 175 x 4 months, then there is a several months long hiatus until the N model in March or April '45. The first model P-37, I think it's the D, arrives for a greater number of months but the quantity is far less. That 1,000 figure might be a good ballpark, maybe even high.

I've been looking at the numbers. These are from the accumulated losses, build numbers and numbers in pools combined taken from my late Allied game. So they account for airframes that were manufactured and those that arrived in groups.

P-38G 10-42 > 05-43
Total Build: 195 (with group airframe arrivals)

F4U-1 arrival dates: 01-43 > 09-43
Total Build: 385 (with group airframe arrivals)

F6F-3 Hellcat arrival date: 04-43 > 06-44
Total Build: 2,608 (with group airframe arrivals)

P-38H arrival date: 06-43 > 11-43
Total Build: 295 (with group airframe arrivals)

P-47D2 arrival date: 07-43 > 02-44
Total Build: 635 (with group airframe arrivals)

F4U-1A arrival date: 10-43 > 12/44 (continues producing and arriving until 06/45)
Total Build: 1173 (with group airframe arrivals)

P-38J arrival date: 12-43 > 05/44
Total Build: 330 (with group airframe arrivals)

P-51B arrival date: 03-44 >10-44
Total Build: 260 (with group airframe arrivals)

P-47D25 arrival date: 03-44 > 06/44
Total Build: 800 (with group airframe arrivals)

[Miller]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

10% casualties number wise but about 25% AV wise is a very good battle for you. [&o] Is there any way that you could possibly trap him there? That would put him in a difficult position.

If you can put MTB TFs to pop in and out of Moulmein, you could possible have his SCTF left in the open for your LBA and your KB air. Combine that with mini subs and you could wreck a few ships. If he lets his DDs bombard, some minefields there will also help.

Would love to do the mine/PT boat combo but he has Moulmein pretty much locked down with his bombardment and massive air threat. I tried to sneak a mine laying TF in a few weeks back but they were swamped by his low flying B25s and destroyed. I don't have the supply to create any PT boat TFs.

[Miller]

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
PS: Is Southern army 100% preppe3d for Moulmein?

Must be both that and some army HQ, plus many LCUs prepared themselves cause it is the latter that translates HQ bonus into real AV multipliers. Combined HQs are great if you have the time to perpare them and all the LCUs for the bottleneck base.

Yes 4 or 5 HQs including Burma and Southern Army plus all divs all fully prepped.

[Miller]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Miller




No idea but here's hoping. I'm sure that loss total for them is about half in reality.

I've been trying to remember without opening the game...

The D25 model is 175 x 4 months, then there is a several months long hiatus until the N model in March or April '45. The first model P-37, I think it's the D, arrives for a greater number of months but the quantity is far less. That 1,000 figure might be a good ballpark, maybe even high.

I've been looking at the numbers. These are from the accumulated losses, build numbers and numbers in pools combined taken from my late Allied game. So they account for airframes that were manufactured and those that arrived in groups.

P-38G 10-42 > 05-43
Total Build: 195 (with group airframe arrivals)

F4U-1 arrival dates: 01-43 > 09-43
Total Build: 385 (with group airframe arrivals)

F6F-3 Hellcat arrival date: 04-43 > 06-44
Total Build: 2,608 (with group airframe arrivals)

P-38H arrival date: 06-43 > 11-43
Total Build: 295 (with group airframe arrivals)

P-47D2 arrival date: 07-43 > 02-44
Total Build: 635 (with group airframe arrivals)

F4U-1A arrival date: 10-43 > 12/44 (continues producing and arriving until 06/45)
Total Build: 1173 (with group airframe arrivals)

P-38J arrival date: 12-43 > 05/44
Total Build: 330 (with group airframe arrivals)

P-51B arrival date: 03-44 >10-44
Total Build: 260 (with group airframe arrivals)

P-47D25 arrival date: 03-44 > 06/44
Total Build: 800 (with group airframe arrivals)

Thanks for the figures Obvert. I've barely put a dent in any of those numbers I'm afraid. He uses his best airframes solely for sweeping and is very careful not to fly them for extended periods in order to keep up morale and lessen fatigue. He has plenty of crap such as the P40 and Hurricanes to escort his bombers the short distances involved in Burma/Thailand and China.

[Miller]

21st-31st March 44

Looks like he's switched his main focus to China now. Most of his B24s are bombing my bases there rather than Moulmein.

The BC Renown takes a sub torp after bombarding Moulmein but that's a rare bright spot. He has large British CA and CL TFs bombarding there every day and on the last day of the month I decide to take a crack at them, throwing in 100 TBs and 100 DBs from the KB transferred to Bangkok and the surrounding bases, along with Oscars flying low level attacks. The plan was for Franks to sweep Rangoon where his ships are re-loading but of course they do it after my bombers go in and despite decent escort the bulk of my bombers fly into a 200 plane CAP and get shredded. Over the course of the day I lose a grand total of 350 planes for 50, including almost all the TBs, in return I do moderate damage to 2 or 3 CAs. The one minor consolation is a fair number of the KB pilots survive despite going down over enemy territory. A mini disaster none the less....

[Anachro]

"rare bright spot"

...he says while he sinks the entire Allied CV fleet. [:D] High standards!

[jwolf]

sweep Rangoon where his ships are re-loading

The battleships certainly can't reload there, although the Renown may be out of action for a while anyway. Are you sure Rangoon is the rearming base? [&:]

PS -- Heh to Anachro. High standards indeed! [8D]

[ericv]

ORIGINAL: jwolf

sweep Rangoon where his ships are re-loading

The battleships certainly can't reload there, although the Renown may be out of action for a while anyway. Are you sure Rangoon is the rearming base? [&:]

PS -- Heh to Anachro. High standards indeed! [8D]

Can't they reload from AE's and AKE's which are stocked with supply, disbanded in port?

[HansBolter]

Battleships can't reach the port. It is up river. Same for Palembang. Only the AI can send battleships to those two ports.

[ericv]

Ah yes, you are right.

[Miller]

1st-10th April 44

The usual massed sweeps/B24 attacks over Moulmein. He does another deliberate attack:

Ground combat at Moulmein (55,55)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 215651 troops, 3674 guns, 3911 vehicles, Assault Value = 8758

Defending force 148054 troops, 1528 guns, 1935 vehicles, Assault Value = 4215

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Allied adjusted assault: 6767

Japanese adjusted defense: 22989

Allied assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3002 casualties reported
Squads: 46 destroyed, 219 disabled
Non Combat: 48 destroyed, 223 disabled
Engineers: 26 destroyed, 131 disabled
Guns lost 207 (18 destroyed, 189 disabled)
Vehicles lost 144 (16 destroyed, 128 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
20933 casualties reported
Squads: 185 destroyed, 1828 disabled
Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 378 disabled
Engineers: 76 destroyed, 458 disabled
Guns lost 534 (33 destroyed, 501 disabled)
Vehicles lost 255 (15 destroyed, 240 disabled)

A lot less painful for him than his previous attack but he is still a long way from capturing it. When he eventually gets the fort down to 2 I can see a scenario whereby I can rebuild it up to 3 the next day if his bombers fail to fly to keep the airfield damaged.

I considered a port attack on Colombo by the KB to see if his damaged BC/CA were there but they were spotted so I aborted the mission. Elsewhere he continues his never ending bombings in China, I managed to kill about 20 British B24s one turn after his sweeps arrive late. I've managed to scrape up 3 more Divs from the homeland to send into China as its only a matter of time before his big ground push begins there.

Not much to report elsewhere although the 10th is a profitable turn for the slow KB as they sink about 30 low value AP and AK unloading at Sarni on the east coast of DNG. It costs me about 50 a/c to his CAP but his fighters take similar losses from sweeping Georges based further up the coast.

[Bif1961]

You also lost less than before. While he lost 23,000+ last time he went down to 20,000+ so from 10% loss rate to just under 10%. You went from almost 5,000 troops lost to just over 3,000. So you actually made out better than he did as a percentage loss rate. The first time he lost over four times more than you this time he lost over six times more. Always look on the bright side.

[Miller]

ORIGINAL: Bif1961

You also lost less than before. While he lost 23,000+ last time he went down to 20,000+ so from 10% loss rate to just under 10%. You went from almost 5,000 troops lost to just over 3,000. So you actually made out better than he did as a percentage loss rate. The first time he lost over four times more than you this time he lost over six times more. Always look on the bright side.

I will try, but I'm the ultimate glass half full kind of guy...

[Anachro]

ORIGINAL: Miller
I will try, but I'm the ultimate glass half full kind of guy...

Yeah, just think of all those planes/pilots lost to flak in your recent carrier action. Too many...and for what? [:(]
[:D]

[Miller]

11th-20th April 44

Continued bombing and bombardments of Moulmein are eroding the supply level. I've got subs laying small minefields there but nothing has gone boom yet.

He launches his first B29 raids on the western homeland from China but they achieve nothing so far. He tries a deliberate attack at Darwin despite having 100 less AV there than myself and it fails badly and I counter attack the next day and kick him out. Recon picks up large fleets heading to Wake, I'm not in position to interfere so it will probably fall in a day or two if he has brought enough troops. Hopefully the large CD unit there can do some damage.....