Shinano vs construction speed up of Unryu's?

[Dili]

How to calculate the budget necessary of how many Unryu's i can accelerate for Shinano cancellation?

If it is enough to look at Naval Shipyard estimate, if i accelerate 3 Unryu's and cancel Shinano the estimate grows from 1446 to 1472 which does not seem too bad.

Any more to it?

[Lokasenna]

The Unryus are likely not in the "building" phase yet, but are in the "blueprint"/queued phase.

Once the Unryus reach their Durability*10 in terms of delay, the cost to accelerate them triples.

[Dili]

Thanks, they are in queued phase, looked at tracker:

Shinano (normal build):
pts remaining 160297
HI remaining 480891

Unryu accel queued but normal build minus normal build - wins 6 months or so
pts remaining 46543 - 37210 = 9333
Hi remaining 139629 - 111630 =27999

Amagi
pts remaining 46665 - 37210 = 9455
Hi remaining 139995 - 111630 =28365

Katsuragi
pts remaining 48678 - 37210 = 11468
Hi remaining 146034 - 111630 = 34404

Others continue to increase as they are later, but seems i have margin with accelerated queued and normal build.

[geofflambert]

Absolutely accelerate them and cancel Shinano. I'm not even building Musashi.

[pws1225]

Yep, I do the same as the Gorn. The extra flight decks can help provide a nice surprise for the Allies.

[Miller]

+1 what has been said. The 6 Unyrus = 4 Essex Class. Shinano = 1/2 an Essex whilst costing 3 times as much to build compared to a Unyru.

[JoV]

It's a pity the Shinano has such a piddly air capacity. Am sure it's historical, but it makes turning it off a no-brainer.

Sometimes consider building it, just for the hell of it (and because nobody else seems too [:D]), but it's very hard to justify as a result (along with the monumental fuel consumption). I've seen some mods change this up, but never played anything but Vanilla.

Has anyone ever built the thing in vanilla and found a decent use for it?

[Chickenboy]

Cancel the Shinano for sure, build the first 3 Unryus for sure. I personally choose to build Mushashi as well. I will have the 3 extra Unryus, Taiho and the converted CS:CVLs all available by the end of 1943. I get Mushashi too by mid-March 1943. I won't bother with Shinano or the later arriving Unryus.

[Anachro]

ORIGINAL: JoV

It's a pity the Shinano has such a piddly air capacity. Am sure it's historical, but it makes turning it off a no-brainer.

Sometimes consider building it, just for the hell of it (and because nobody else seems too [:D]), but it's very hard to justify as a result (along with the monumental fuel consumption). I've seen some mods change this up, but never played anything but Vanilla.

Has anyone ever built the thing in vanilla and found a decent use for it?

With its armor, maybe as a decoy target to take some of a death star strike while the rest of KB sits somewhere else. But to be honest, I'd rather have more Unryu's or a Musashi.

[Mike Solli]

Personally, I can the Shinano, finish the Musashi and accelerate all 6 Unryus as soon as I can. I've gotten some good work out of Musashi.

[Lokasenna]

I build Musashi.

I build Shinano in Scen 2 where she is a Taiho, not a Shinano.

[rustysi]

Has anyone ever built the thing in vanilla and found a decent use for it?

I keep her building, but that's just me. Never got her in play, maybe this game. Granted she's way too expensive, but Japan gets so little when it comes to late war ships, I just figure something is better than nothing. At any rate she has a stout hull and a flat deck, and that's worth something. The Unryus are better than nothing as well, but they seem rather frail to me. I advance them as best I can.

I build Shinano in Scen 2 where she is a Taiho, not a Shinano.

Don't you really mean a Yamato. But I digress, who wouldn't. Now that's what I call a no-brainer.[:)]

[Lokasenna]

No, she's a fake Yamato [;)].

[rustysi]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

No, she's a fake Yamato [;)].

[:D]

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: Miller

+1 what has been said. The 6 Unyrus = 4 Essex Class. Shinano = 1/2 an Essex whilst costing 3 times as much to build compared to a Unyru.

Well, not quite but very useful. Much more so than the Shinano. Besides for most campaigns, the Shinano comes at a time when the Japanese probably are way past needing an extra carrier. I think there should be a steep PP cost for canceling the super BBs (not sure you can cancel the Yamato). These were big deal prestige ships and the political fallout from the big gun advocates would have had a major impact. In the game, it is a no-brainer but it should not be so easy.

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Personally, I can the Shinano, finish the Musashi and accelerate all 6 Unryus as soon as I can. I've gotten some good work out of Musashi.

+1

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

ORIGINAL: Miller

+1 what has been said. The 6 Unyrus = 4 Essex Class. Shinano = 1/2 an Essex whilst costing 3 times as much to build compared to a Unyru.

Well, not quite but very useful. Much more so than the Shinano. Besides for most campaigns, the Shinano comes at a time when the Japanese probably are way past needing an extra carrier. I think there should be a steep PP cost for canceling the super BBs (not sure you can cancel the Yamato). These were big deal prestige ships and the political fallout from the big gun advocates would have had a major impact. In the game, it is a no-brainer but it should not be so easy.

I mean, I think it's a no-brainer to build them. It's not the HI that you have to be careful about, it's the fuel later.

[rustysi]

I think there should be a steep PP cost for canceling the super BBs (not sure you can cancel the Yamato). These were big deal prestige ships and the political fallout from the big gun advocates would have had a major impact.

I could get on-board with something like this. I admit I make some decisions based upon what Japan may have done/not done IRL.

I mean, I think it's a no-brainer to build them. It's not the HI that you have to be careful about, it's the fuel later.

Agree here as well, especially the statements' end.[:)]