Godzilla {J: Andav} vs. Rodan {A: witpqs}

[zuluhour]

any "noise" at Truk?
Do you have any subs around?
I like the plan, I think it is a seldom seen move given the time frame and the typical
deployments of allied players.
Oh yeah, whats Monkey telling you about the opposition?

REMEMBER NO matter what, DON"T THROW IN THE TOWEL!

[Bif1961]

A barrel full of mommies?

[witpqs]

any "noise" at Truk?
No. [:(]
Do you have any subs around?
Oh yeah!
I like the plan, I think it is a seldom seen move given the time frame and the typical
deployments of allied players.
How many such targets have you seen in mid-42 and how did they fare?
Oh yeah, whats Monkey telling you about the opposition?
No reinforcements of target locations picked up from SigInt.

REMEMBER NO matter what, DON"T THROW IN THE TOWEL!
Never!

[zuluhour]

This is one time it may not be a bad thing to be "over a barrel". [:D]
I think that picture is from a Miss America pageant from the 20's.[X(]

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: zuluhour

This is one time it may not be a bad thing to be "over a barrel". [:D]
I think that picture is from a Miss America pageant from the 20's.[X(]

So - for monkeys the expression is : "More fun than a barrel full of people"?

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

1942 July 10

Cantankerous Olfactory.

Awfully enlightening.[:(] So you have some amphibious units aimed at the eastern Marshalls? But they don't have troops much? And your approach is based on a few ships twenty or more hexes away?

You AFBs are simply too devious as I cannot fathom what is going on.[;)][:)] So, since I am reading this AAR, and Andav isn't it would be fair to say he will be surprised as well. [:D]

Seriously, my next game has to be as the Allies so I can understand this.[8D]

[witpqs]

I am pretty busy with RL stuff, but late last evening and now I am getting some time on the turn.

Formal post when it's ready, some tidbits...

Carrier sighting near Eniwetok?! I think it is a damaged AV making its way toward Truk.

Chasing away that pesky snooper sub means 23 destroyers plus Long Island will get back to PH to refuel day after tomorrow. I will start the convoys out tomorrow to save time because they are slower anyway. There are 13 destroyers at PH, 10 BB, 9 CA, 3 CL together with the 23 DD's returning to refuel to be allocated for bombardment and surface combat duty. Whatever TF's I create at first will get modified heavily at sea. I envision D-Day bombardments at each target being by a single BB both to have others available for subsequent days if needed and to have them available for surface combat. I presume the latter will be needed. You will recall Godzilla arose from the Marshall Islands.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: witpqs

1942 July 10

Cantankerous Olfactory.

Awfully enlightening.[:(] So you have some amphibious units aimed at the eastern Marshalls? But they don't have troops much? And your approach is based on a few ships twenty or more hexes away?

You AFBs are simply too devious as I cannot fathom what is going on.[;)][:)] So, since I am reading this AAR, and Andav isn't it would be fair to say he will be surprised as well. [:D]

Seriously, my next game has to be as the Allies so I can understand this.[8D]

I know, you've been spending so much time fighting of the Russian hordes you haven't been keeping up. I have confirmation of no DL 23 hexes out, not 20. It would hardly be sporting to try and dash in from only 20 hexes out.

Ships? Who needs ships? Our guys are swimming there. They might be swimming back so they might as well get used to it.

Yes, you see only a few troops on those amphib ships because I meant them to be decoys while the guys swam in from the other sides of the islands. Now I open the turn and see that all those convoys have loaded completely! Insubordination, I tell you!

Current score is 18,104 to 7,433, just over 2.4 to 1. Any battle which goes against me by 2 to 1 or less but elevates the numbers (i.e. is bloody enough) will help stave of auto-victory and get an attrition battle rolling. I have the largest concentration of my subs in those waters so as to both aid the battle and be available to vector in on cripples. [:)]

I have to go trim some hedges. [:(]

[Lowpe]

I just cut some flowers. I have hedges to trim, too, but keep putting them off making the job bigger. An endless circle of despair.

At this point you are worried about staving off autovictory? That actually is kind of insightful.

I am also curious if loading all those ships generates a heavy volume message?

Another insightful tidbit is your concern over 1 snooper sub.

Many thanks.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I just cut some flowers. I have hedges to trim, too, but keep putting them off making the job bigger. An endless circle of despair.

At this point you are worried about staving off autovictory?

If I don't plan ahead on that in this game I could get into big trouble before I realize it.

That actually is kind of insightful.

[:D]

I am also curious if loading all those ships generates a heavy volume message?

I figure it might but nothing I can do about it.

Another insightful tidbit is your concern over 1 snooper sub.

Many thanks.

Trying to keep Intel leaks to a minimum. This op is PERILOUS (with a capital D for disaster) so I need all the help I can get. Crap, I only have one DMS assigned to escort each of my two oiler TF's with the big, fast oilers. [:(]

[witpqs]

1942 July 11

INVADED
Amphibious TF 253 unloading at Car Nicobar
Amphibious TF 193 offshore of Denpasar
Changsha, Mengtze, Urumchi are invested.

CHANGED OWNERSHIP
Pagai-eilanden is occupied by the Japanese



Overall
• Possible carrier sighting 2 hexes SE of Eniwetok.

• The first Op CO TF's sail tonight.


West Coast USA, Alaska, Hawaii
• Enemy sub activity near San Francisco, Los Angeles, Johnston Island, Pearl Harbor.

• All convoys report no contacts.

• Launch of Cantankerous Olfactory proceeds well. Details are listed in the Pacific section (which owns the targets).

• Maybe we can take away their sub bases?

ASW attack near San Francisco at 216,73

Japanese Ships
SS I-6

Allied Ships
AM Chignecto

SS I-6 is located by AM Chignecto
I-6 diving deep ....
AM Chignecto fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Chignecto fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Chignecto fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Chignecto fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Chignecto fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

ASW attack near San Francisco at 216,73

Japanese Ships
SS I-6

Allied Ships
AM Chignecto

SS I-6 is sighted by escort
AM Chignecto fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Chignecto fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Chignecto fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Chignecto fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Chignecto fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Pacific
• Enemy sub activity near Suva/Nadi.

• All convoys report no contacts.

• All assaulters finished loading in one turn! They have been consolidated into one convoy for each target, with too few destroyers (3, 2, and 2) and one destroyer mine sweeper each. One old battleship is being allocated for fire support/protection.

• 3 convoys of APD's are loading each with a USN Air HQ for each of the 3 targets. 36 air support with a minimum of Stacking Cost (540 each, IIRC).

• BB North Carolina has joined the Lexington/Saratoga/Wasp TF.

• Both fleet carrier TF's, both battleship TF's, and all three invasion convoys are sailing tonight for a point one hex SE of French Frigate Shoal. The remaining surface forces will follow beginning the day after tomorrow.


New Zealand, Australia, New Caledonia, New Hebrides, Solomons, Papua New Guinea, New Britain
• Enemy sub activity near Newcastle.

• All convoys report no contacts.

• Fuel unloading at Melbourne.

• Upgrades.

Alice Springs expands airfield to size 5
Brisbane expands port to size 6

• The B-17's at Cloncurry and the B-26's at Alice Springs have traded places. The B-26's will still fly supply into Tennant Creek, but the B-17's go back to ground strike duty. They will focus on that unidentified LCU showing our tanks making for Wyndham.

• The two USA TD Bns between Tennant Creek and Daly Waters are diverting to join the developing battle south of Wyndham.

• Three Sqn with 22x B-17D are transferring from Hawaii to Australia to hit Darwin.

• Both bombers and auxiliary types seen based at Darwin.


Philippines


DEI, Dutch new Guinea, Borneo, Malaya
• Still fighting!

Pre-Invasion action off Denpasar (58,108)

5 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
DD Yukaze
xAP Baikal Maru
DD Makigumo
DD Hokaze

Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

DD Yukaze firing at Prajoeda Cdo
DD Yukaze fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards

Amphibious Assault at Denpasar (58,108)

TF 193 troops unloading over beach at Denpasar, 58,108

Japanese ground losses:
128 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 33 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 41st Infantry Rgt
70mm T92 Bn Gun dropped into water during unload of 41st Infantry Rgt /3
15 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 41st Infantry Rgt /5

Ground combat at Denpasar (58,108)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 847 troops, 4 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 31

Defending force 1717 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 31

Assaulting units:
Prajoeda Cdo

Defending units:
41st Infantry Rgt /2

China
• The kessel. Oh wait: wrong language!

Ground combat at 83,39 (near Sian)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 12470 troops, 104 guns, 56 vehicles, Assault Value = 906

Defending force 38078 troops, 61 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 298

Assaulting units:
34th Division
17th Division
37th Division

Defending units:
16th Chinese/A Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
12th Chinese Corps
81st Chinese Corps
27th Chinese Corps
61st Chinese Corps
98th Chinese Corps
9th Chinese/A Corps
33rd Chinese/A Corps
93rd Chinese Corps
38th Chinese/A Corps
35th Chinese Corps
57th Chinese/A Corps
57th Chinese/C Corps
9th Chinese/B Corps
15th Chinese Base Force
16th Chinese/C Corps
12th Chinese Base Force
33rd Chinese/B Corps
4th Chinese Cavalry/A Corps
37th Group Army
51st Chinese Corps
13th Group Army
129th Red Chinese Division
33rd Chinese/C Corps
38th Chinese/C Corps
38th Chinese/B Corps
4th Group Army
9th Chinese/C Corps
120th Red Chinese Division
88th Chinese Corps
4th Chinese Cavalry/B Corps

• Do we attack? No; we lack supply.

Ground combat at 73,52 (near Tuyun)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5356 troops, 17 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1044

Defending force 6701 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 209

Assaulting units:
9th Prov Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
31st Chinese Corps
70th Chinese Corps
100th Chinese Corps
9th Group Army
12th Group Army

Defending units:
19th Ind.Mixed Brigade

India, Burma, Thailand, Indochina
• Enemy sub activity near Karachi.

• Infrastructure building.

Bombay expands airfield to size 7
Delhi expands airfield to size 6

• BB Valiant and 2x CL are heading from Cape Town to Bombay.


Japan, Korea, Manchuria, Russia


Complete combat report attached.

[witpqs]

1942 July 11

Is this a real carrier sighting? I have doubts. I wonder if it could be a damaged AV from a submarine attack some time back which has finished making temporary repairs.

[witpqs]

1942 July 11

NW Australia.

[JoV]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

1942 July 11

Is this a real carrier sighting? I have doubts. I wonder if it could be a damaged AV from a submarine attack some time back which has finished making temporary repairs.

I'd say absolutely it's an AV. Can't image a Japanese player sending a CV into sub infested waters with a single escort [:D] I reckon your evaluation is correct; looks like its heading to Truk. Might mean potentially fewer eyes to spot your invasion...

[witpqs]

1942 July 12

INVADED
Amphibious TF 193 unloading at Denpasar
Amphibious TF 99 offshore of Sipora
Changsha, Mengtze, Urumchi are invested.

CHANGED OWNERSHIP
Car Nicobar is occupied by the Japanese



Overall
• No carrier sightings.


West Coast USA, Alaska, Hawaii
• Enemy sub activity near San Francisco, Pearl Harbor, Niihau(?).

• All convoys report no contacts.


Pacific
• No enemy sub activity detected.

• All convoys report no contacts.

• Gar is OK but has no torpedoes.

Sub attack near Truk at 114,110

Japanese Ships
xAK Kuraido Maru, Shell hits 24

Allied Ships
SS Gar, hits 6

SS Gar attacking on the surface
Reich, E.T. decides to submerge SS Gar due to damage

I cannot tell if this is a small convoy or an ASW group.

ASW attack near Ponape at 121,109

Japanese Ships
PB Chokai Maru
PB Hirotama Maru

Allied Ships
SS Tuna

SS Tuna is located by PB Chokai Maru
PB Hirotama Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Hirotama Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Hirotama Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Hirotama Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Hirotama Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

New Zealand, Australia, New Caledonia, New Hebrides, Solomons, Papua New Guinea, New Britain
• Enemy sub activity near Newcastle

• All convoys report no contacts.

• Fuel unloading at Melbourne.

• It was a bad day to be on Koyu Maru; it was a good day to be selling defective torpedoes.

Submarine attack near Darwin at 74,122

Japanese Ships
xAK Koyu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
SS Sargo

Japanese ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

xAK Koyu Maru is sighted by SS Sargo
Massive explosion on xAK Koyu Maru
SS Sargo launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Koyu Maru

Submarine attack near Darwin at 74,123

Japanese Ships
xAK Okuni Maru

Allied Ships
SS Stingray

xAK Okuni Maru is sighted by SS Stingray
SS Stingray launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Okuni Maru

Sub attack near Truscott at 71,123

Japanese Ships
DD Wakaba

Allied Ships
SS Pike

SS Pike launches 2 torpedoes
Pike bottoming out ....
DD Wakaba fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wakaba fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wakaba fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wakaba fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wakaba fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Sub attack near Darwin at 74,122

Japanese Ships
xAK Koyu Maru, on fire

Allied Ships
SS Sargo

SS Sargo launches 2 torpedoes

Submarine attack near Darwin at 74,122

Japanese Ships
xAK Koyu Maru, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Sargo

xAK Koyu Maru is sighted by SS Sargo
SS Sargo launches 4 torpedoes

Sub attack near Truscott at 72,124

Japanese Ships
DD Wakaba

Allied Ships
SS Sealion

SS Sealion launches 2 torpedoes
Sealion bottoming out ....
DD Wakaba fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wakaba fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wakaba fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wakaba fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wakaba fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Submarine attack near Darwin at 74,123

Japanese Ships
xAK Koyu Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Spearfish

xAK Koyu Maru is sighted by SS Spearfish
SS Spearfish launches 2 torpedoes

Submarine attack near Darwin at 74,123

Japanese Ships
xAK Koyu Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Sargo

xAK Koyu Maru is sighted by SS Sargo
SS Sargo launches 2 torpedoes

Sub attack near Darwin at 73,124

Japanese Ships
DD Wakaba

Allied Ships
SS Sculpin

SS Sculpin launches 4 torpedoes
Sculpin bottoming out ....
DD Wakaba fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wakaba fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wakaba fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wakaba fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Wakaba attacking submerged sub ....
DD Wakaba is out of ASW ammo
DD Wakaba is out of ASW ammo
DD Wakaba is out of ASW ammo
Escort abandons search for sub

Submarine attack near Darwin at 74,123

Japanese Ships
xAK Koyu Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Pike

xAK Koyu Maru is sighted by SS Pike
SS Pike launches 2 torpedoes

Submarine attack near Darwin at 74,123

Japanese Ships
xAK Koyu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Saury

xAK Koyu Maru is sighted by SS Saury
SS Saury launches 2 torpedoes

Submarine attack near Darwin at 76,124

Japanese Ships
xAK Zuiko Maru

Allied Ships
SS Pollack

xAK Zuiko Maru is sighted by SS Pollack
SS Pollack launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Zuiko Maru

• Our wide ranging armoured unit is attacked with only the effect of slowing it.

Morning Air attack on 3rd Tank Battalion, at 69,130 , near Wyndham

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 2

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

• Our B-17's were grounded by extreme overcast.

• All but one B-17D have made it to Newcastle, other destinations being closed by weather. The last one is repairing at Pago Pago. Tomorrow's transfer will take them to Cloncurry where they will begin operations.


Philippines


DEI, Dutch new Guinea, Borneo, Malaya
• The few remaining Dutch forces are still fighting.


China
• I like these results!

Ground combat at 64,45 (near Paoshan)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 14861 troops, 162 guns, 112 vehicles, Assault Value = 593

Defending force 16846 troops, 62 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 602

Japanese adjusted assault: 2

Allied adjusted defense: 1456

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 728

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 28 (4 destroyed, 24 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
4th Tank Regiment
18th Division
33rd/C Division
3rd Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
28th Chinese Corps
54th Chinese Corps

India, Burma, Thailand, Indochina
• Enemy sub activity near Karachi.


Japan, Korea, Manchuria, Russia


Complete combat report attached.

[witpqs]

1942 July 12

Detection! I know sometimes these are radio intercepts but I usually report them as submarine activity if in a spot where that's possible. Tracker does not report a DL increase, so I am guessing this is a radio traffic volume intercept. Tomorrow and the day after a supply convoy will pass through this area and quite possibly be noticed by Imperial subs in waters south of Johnston Island. Maybe that will cover us.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: JoV

ORIGINAL: witpqs

1942 July 11

Is this a real carrier sighting? I have doubts. I wonder if it could be a damaged AV from a submarine attack some time back which has finished making temporary repairs.

I'd say absolutely it's an AV. Can't image a Japanese player sending a CV into sub infested waters with a single escort [:D] I reckon your evaluation is correct; looks like its heading to Truk. Might mean potentially fewer eyes to spot your invasion...

Yeah, it just wouldn't make sense to be a carrier unless it was a cripple and he hasn't got any I know of.

[zuluhour]

DL is one area I was looking forward to Alfred"s clarifying and expounding on in his project. Somehow
I think it was derailed. I don't think with a 1/0 DL the TFs are on Japans map nor is the co-ordinate
where you ended the phase. It could have been a sub sighting on xAK just off the HI. Hard to say sans
Alfred or a devs comment. Tomorrow should be telltale if he suspects anything. I would guess he has
at least one boat off Midway somewhere he could move to contact.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: zuluhour

DL is one area I was looking forward to Alfred"s clarifying and expounding on in his project. Somehow
I think it was derailed. I don't think with a 1/0 DL the TFs are on Japans map nor is the co-ordinate
where you ended the phase. It could have been a sub sighting on xAK just off the HI. Hard to say sans
Alfred or a devs comment. Tomorrow should be telltale if he suspects anything. I would guess he has
at least one boat off Midway somewhere he could move to contact.

Not sure about a boat near Midway because I haven't had any contacts at all up there. I figure there would be a sighting or two by now.

I think I neglected to mention it, but when the rest of the surface combat ships sail they will take a slightly different route. The current Op CO batch went NW then west to their point. The rest will go west then NW, hoping to avoid any sub posted NW, if that's what the DL was.

The contact is also near the Hawaii - Midway supply route, so maybe a sub. It also might be a sub taking a different route to monitor PH after the recent mobbing of the sub to the SW.

[Lowpe]

I will elaborate on Japanese Sig Int, in lieu of Alfred.

In my experience, Japan received an "At Sea" radio intercept. It most likely a "Heavy Volume." The sub likely increased the chances of getting the intel.

This is perhaps Japan's greatest intel weapon that goes largely ignored by most JFBs. Often times the loading and unloading of troops at ports will generate such reports.

Kitchen Sink invasions will generally trigger a report each day, especially if there is some type of listening unit near by.

It is my pure speculation that subs or other Japanese devices aid in generating sigint. I have nothing other than personal experience to back up that claim.

A careful analysis of Japanese SigInt can lead to some stunning surprises, as oftentimes the Allies simply discount it. What can a 1/0dl really tell? But they lack the insight of having played Japan, and don't realize the trend, the location, yields actionable intelligence.