Turn 14
A couple of turns on and after Larry stayed low key again last turn. This turn however there are multiple attacks by the VC on ARVN garrisons but thankfully all are fought off with heavy or total loss to the VC as a result of heavy air support👍
A word about air tactics. Larry subjected met to heavy air interdiction when I played as the NLF which was frequently murderous as well as having decent combat support. I have deliberately minimised interdiction given how scattergun it is and an focusing on air superiority sufficient to keep the MiGs in check and heavy combat support. Without air support the ARVN are frequently blown away like chaff but with it even Border Units can hold on.
The downside legislatively unhindered movement for the NLF aside from bridge blowing so it may be I regret the strategy when the offensives come.
VP's have now reached +27 and EVV remains at 36.
This turn
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Turn 15
If I had forgotten what a pain in the ass the VC Rocket units can be then Larry reminded me this turn when one popped up within range of a chopper base at Da Nang and took out the 518th and 528th squadrons in their entirety. Not good.
Most remaining air assets that cannot fit offshore have been relocated to better protected areas.
The ARVN 25th Division has now arrived around Saigon which provides added insurance for the capitol.
I decide I have a bit of leeway so launch a cross border operation to take down the bridge on the Trail and dig in a unit just to be difficult but find a full NVA Divisional stack adjacent so it won't last long.
During Larry's turn air combat support again proved its worth and the VC lost many men attempting to take Moc Hoa and Gia Nghai. After heavy fighting during my turn Boc Ho was recaptured near the Cambodian border.
VP's are now at +30 and EVV at 37.
Still no monsoon !
If I had forgotten what a pain in the ass the VC Rocket units can be then Larry reminded me this turn when one popped up within range of a chopper base at Da Nang and took out the 518th and 528th squadrons in their entirety. Not good.
Most remaining air assets that cannot fit offshore have been relocated to better protected areas.
The ARVN 25th Division has now arrived around Saigon which provides added insurance for the capitol.
I decide I have a bit of leeway so launch a cross border operation to take down the bridge on the Trail and dig in a unit just to be difficult but find a full NVA Divisional stack adjacent so it won't last long.
During Larry's turn air combat support again proved its worth and the VC lost many men attempting to take Moc Hoa and Gia Nghai. After heavy fighting during my turn Boc Ho was recaptured near the Cambodian border.
VP's are now at +30 and EVV at 37.
Still no monsoon !
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Turn 16
March 1966 and the monsoon finally starts.
The unfortunate Air Cav get overwhelmed by the NVA 308th and 312th Divisions retaking the Trail bridge but again the air support inflicts decent losses.
Attacks by the VC on Qui Nhon fail and the attackers are wiped out during my turn as is an NVA Mechanized Regt that inched into Quang Tri.
Just before the turn ended Strategic Bombers were called in on a speculative attack on two NVA artillery units spotted on the Trail and surprisingly inflicted about 40% casualties.
EVV= 37
VP's increase to +33
March 1966 and the monsoon finally starts.
The unfortunate Air Cav get overwhelmed by the NVA 308th and 312th Divisions retaking the Trail bridge but again the air support inflicts decent losses.
Attacks by the VC on Qui Nhon fail and the attackers are wiped out during my turn as is an NVA Mechanized Regt that inched into Quang Tri.
Just before the turn ended Strategic Bombers were called in on a speculative attack on two NVA artillery units spotted on the Trail and surprisingly inflicted about 40% casualties.
EVV= 37
VP's increase to +33
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Turn 17
April 1966.
With the arrival of the monsoon the VC activity markedly steps up though actual attacks are few with lots of VC lurking and only discovered by patrolling. Half a dozen are destroyed (half in the Delta) and the Strat Bombers fly though the wind and rain and manage to take out the NVA rocketeers on the trail plus most of an artillery unit.
The NVA Divisions remain worryingly quiet.
EVV= 39 having popped up due to the continuation of Economic Aid but for the same reason VP's increase to +35.
April 1966.
With the arrival of the monsoon the VC activity markedly steps up though actual attacks are few with lots of VC lurking and only discovered by patrolling. Half a dozen are destroyed (half in the Delta) and the Strat Bombers fly though the wind and rain and manage to take out the NVA rocketeers on the trail plus most of an artillery unit.
The NVA Divisions remain worryingly quiet.
EVV= 39 having popped up due to the continuation of Economic Aid but for the same reason VP's increase to +35.
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Turn 18
As the monsoon continues the NVA pour across the border into Quang Tri in the North and launch themselves at the garrison in Khe Sanh but the 308th and 312th Divisions are fought off with heavy loss by US Armoured Cavalry and air support losing over 200 Infantry squads.
Other NVA regiments are stopped at the river bridges and one is finished off by supporting artillery during the Allied turn.
Down South a number of VC units are left stranded as Larry's turn ends prematurely due to the heavy fighting in the North eating up rounds.I
At turn beginning EVV remains at 39 but VP's increase to +39.....one away from the level of a marginal victory but there is a long way to go and forces are getting stretched by the attacks on multiple fronts.
I am still mulling over calling in more Americans but for now the temptation is resisted.
As the monsoon continues the NVA pour across the border into Quang Tri in the North and launch themselves at the garrison in Khe Sanh but the 308th and 312th Divisions are fought off with heavy loss by US Armoured Cavalry and air support losing over 200 Infantry squads.
Other NVA regiments are stopped at the river bridges and one is finished off by supporting artillery during the Allied turn.
Down South a number of VC units are left stranded as Larry's turn ends prematurely due to the heavy fighting in the North eating up rounds.I
At turn beginning EVV remains at 39 but VP's increase to +39.....one away from the level of a marginal victory but there is a long way to go and forces are getting stretched by the attacks on multiple fronts.
I am still mulling over calling in more Americans but for now the temptation is resisted.
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Turn 19
As the monsoon finishes the NVA pull back from Quang Tri and VC activity is reduced to taking out more choppers with the blasted rocket artillery that does its worst then melts away.
All I can really do is disperse them other than at Saigon where there is much more ARVN presence to prevent attacks.
On a plus point the Strategic Bombers get busy again and take out one RR unit on the Trail and badly damage two more of the four present.
Many more ARVN Border units are now arriving and though weak, with air support and sometime reserves backing them up from the regular ARVN they can do a job.
VP's hit +40 with EVV likewise.
As the monsoon finishes the NVA pull back from Quang Tri and VC activity is reduced to taking out more choppers with the blasted rocket artillery that does its worst then melts away.
All I can really do is disperse them other than at Saigon where there is much more ARVN presence to prevent attacks.
On a plus point the Strategic Bombers get busy again and take out one RR unit on the Trail and badly damage two more of the four present.
Many more ARVN Border units are now arriving and though weak, with air support and sometime reserves backing them up from the regular ARVN they can do a job.
VP's hit +40 with EVV likewise.
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Turn 21...
EVV remains at 40 but VP's tick up to +42 into marginal victory territory if only temporarily.
Attacks on Phu Vinh and Ham Ton are repulsed and in the best news of the turn patrols discover two VC Rocket units and both are destroyed for now.
ARVN Border units continue to arrive and infiltration by the NVA in the south of the country will be very difficult without detection.
EVV remains at 40 but VP's tick up to +42 into marginal victory territory if only temporarily.
Attacks on Phu Vinh and Ham Ton are repulsed and in the best news of the turn patrols discover two VC Rocket units and both are destroyed for now.
ARVN Border units continue to arrive and infiltration by the NVA in the south of the country will be very difficult without detection.
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Turn 22
A really quiet turn as apart from a small ARVN Armoured Cav unit blundering into some NVA when checking out Khe Sanh (which is now back in NVA area of influence in the car North of Quang Tri) and getting itself wiped out when it tried to disengage.
No VC were spotted and EVV popped up to 42 and VP's up to +45
A really quiet turn as apart from a small ARVN Armoured Cav unit blundering into some NVA when checking out Khe Sanh (which is now back in NVA area of influence in the car North of Quang Tri) and getting itself wiped out when it tried to disengage.
No VC were spotted and EVV popped up to 42 and VP's up to +45
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Turn 23
The NVA launch attacks in Quang Tri but Dong Ha holds and fixed guns in the city cause heavy losses to two NVA Regiments. An HQ unit full of artillery and Rockets is holding the bridge on the trail that the Strat bombers like to blow so they get hit as well and the bridge is blown again.
The VC do another decent impression of the invisible men but seem to be awaiting another monsoon.
VP's remain at +45 and EVV increases to 43.
The NVA launch attacks in Quang Tri but Dong Ha holds and fixed guns in the city cause heavy losses to two NVA Regiments. An HQ unit full of artillery and Rockets is holding the bridge on the trail that the Strat bombers like to blow so they get hit as well and the bridge is blown again.
The VC do another decent impression of the invisible men but seem to be awaiting another monsoon.
VP's remain at +45 and EVV increases to 43.
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Turn 24
A futile but heroic act of resistance by a South Vietnamese Border post sees a single squad in Quang Tri call in air support and take out 61 NVA squads before being overrun. The attackers of Dong Ha are almost eliminated by naval and artillery fire and US Marines locate a VC battalion north of Saigon in the forests and manage to destroy it.
I am now concerned at over stretch for my mobile reliable forces on the ground so I decide I have to call in more US troops and the 25th Division is on its way.
This turn all my Strategic Bombers are on reorganisation so Larry is able to continue upgrading the Trail unimpeded.
For now EVV= 43 and VP's are +47
A futile but heroic act of resistance by a South Vietnamese Border post sees a single squad in Quang Tri call in air support and take out 61 NVA squads before being overrun. The attackers of Dong Ha are almost eliminated by naval and artillery fire and US Marines locate a VC battalion north of Saigon in the forests and manage to destroy it.
I am now concerned at over stretch for my mobile reliable forces on the ground so I decide I have to call in more US troops and the 25th Division is on its way.
This turn all my Strategic Bombers are on reorganisation so Larry is able to continue upgrading the Trail unimpeded.
For now EVV= 43 and VP's are +47
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Turn 25
The tide may be turning against the US here. Despite the arrival of 25th Divn, which in truth comprises little more than an artillery rich Brigade five provinces note new activity by the VC and I fail to find any...
This reduces VP's to +44 and EVV remains at 47.
During my turn a bridge is dropped on the Trail and the second NVA Regt that had tried to take Dong Ha is finished off whilst an artillery heavy NVA HQ in North Vietnam is repeatedly shelled and bombed to good effect but little else is possible until the VC show themselves.
The tide may be turning against the US here. Despite the arrival of 25th Divn, which in truth comprises little more than an artillery rich Brigade five provinces note new activity by the VC and I fail to find any...
This reduces VP's to +44 and EVV remains at 47.
During my turn a bridge is dropped on the Trail and the second NVA Regt that had tried to take Dong Ha is finished off whilst an artillery heavy NVA HQ in North Vietnam is repeatedly shelled and bombed to good effect but little else is possible until the VC show themselves.
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Turn 26
The rest of 25th Division including some much needed tanks arrive in theatre this turn and are immediatley sent to Quang Tri to help the defence of Dong Ha and areas to the west.
This is successful so far with the help of the navy and Strat bombers who also drop a supply bridge in Quang Tri province, and as a bonus the ARVN further south actually manage to spot and destroy half a dozen VC but this probably just means the number in country is proportionately higher !
EVV remains at 47 but VP's ticked down again to 43...
The rest of 25th Division including some much needed tanks arrive in theatre this turn and are immediatley sent to Quang Tri to help the defence of Dong Ha and areas to the west.
This is successful so far with the help of the navy and Strat bombers who also drop a supply bridge in Quang Tri province, and as a bonus the ARVN further south actually manage to spot and destroy half a dozen VC but this probably just means the number in country is proportionately higher !
EVV remains at 47 but VP's ticked down again to 43...
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Turn 28
EVV has ticked up to 49 with the arrival of the Australians but VP's fall back to +41 this turn as Larry launches heavy attacks by the NVA into Quang Tri to coincide with the monsoon. Dong Ha just about holds and NVA losses are exceptionally high but hwe is still making progress in the north and insult is added to injusr as rockets attacks Tuy Hoa airbase and take out all 16 F5's based there.
A counter attack is ordered and ARVN regimwents are choppered in behind the NVA lines in Quang tri but a failed proficiency test stops the offensive when it has barely begun and the ARVN troops are left extremely exposed...
This could be really serious for the north depending on the health of the NVA in the area after their losses...
EVV has ticked up to 49 with the arrival of the Australians but VP's fall back to +41 this turn as Larry launches heavy attacks by the NVA into Quang Tri to coincide with the monsoon. Dong Ha just about holds and NVA losses are exceptionally high but hwe is still making progress in the north and insult is added to injusr as rockets attacks Tuy Hoa airbase and take out all 16 F5's based there.
A counter attack is ordered and ARVN regimwents are choppered in behind the NVA lines in Quang tri but a failed proficiency test stops the offensive when it has barely begun and the ARVN troops are left extremely exposed...
This could be really serious for the north depending on the health of the NVA in the area after their losses...
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Turn 29
There is considerable VC activity popping up particularly around the central provinces whose hills and jungles are difficult to patrol. The attacks in Quang tri also continue with a couple of Border units shelled into oblivion but the couple of direct attacks as usual end up in mass NVA losses. Dong Ha is attacked again but again the attacks are fought off.
VP's have remained constant somehow at +41 and EVV at 49 but I am forced into multiple attacks often having to rely on air support as troop numbers are not really adequate in many areas other than the Delta.
Fortunately the attacks in Quang Tri mostly succeed and a large number of NVA are wiped out thanks to naval and air support and the exposed ARVN Regiments are saved.
There is considerable VC activity popping up particularly around the central provinces whose hills and jungles are difficult to patrol. The attacks in Quang tri also continue with a couple of Border units shelled into oblivion but the couple of direct attacks as usual end up in mass NVA losses. Dong Ha is attacked again but again the attacks are fought off.
VP's have remained constant somehow at +41 and EVV at 49 but I am forced into multiple attacks often having to rely on air support as troop numbers are not really adequate in many areas other than the Delta.
Fortunately the attacks in Quang Tri mostly succeed and a large number of NVA are wiped out thanks to naval and air support and the exposed ARVN Regiments are saved.
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Turn 30
EVV ups to 50 but thankfully VP's also tick up to +43 after a few tricky turns as the latest NLF offensive appears to have been stifled and the VC get their first VP penalty of 1 for losses.
ARVN and US forces retake Khe Sanh and Con Thien in Quang Tri province and push the remaining NVA back to the Cambodian border.... A brief respite but it gives the Dong Ha garrison some welcome rest.
In the central provinces more VC are destroyed and the Australians and koreans are engaged in bust search and destroy operations between the Cambodian border and the coast in central Sth Vietnam. The only cloud in the sky is a failed attempt to take out 3 NVA HQ's stacked on the Trail using Strategic Bombers that are roughly handled by the AA and achieve nothing.
EVV ups to 50 but thankfully VP's also tick up to +43 after a few tricky turns as the latest NLF offensive appears to have been stifled and the VC get their first VP penalty of 1 for losses.
ARVN and US forces retake Khe Sanh and Con Thien in Quang Tri province and push the remaining NVA back to the Cambodian border.... A brief respite but it gives the Dong Ha garrison some welcome rest.
In the central provinces more VC are destroyed and the Australians and koreans are engaged in bust search and destroy operations between the Cambodian border and the coast in central Sth Vietnam. The only cloud in the sky is a failed attempt to take out 3 NVA HQ's stacked on the Trail using Strategic Bombers that are roughly handled by the AA and achieve nothing.
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Turn 32
Last turn was speant kicking out the remnants of the NVA invasion of Quang Tri but VP's stayed stable at 43 and EVV tripped up again.
This turn (32) the VP's again don't move but the VC appear in large numbers and though they do not make more than one unsuccessful attack before disbanding they manage to convert a lot of hexes that I have trouble reconverting whilst still trying to guard bridges.
The NVA are lurking on the trail in Laos and Cambodia so there is nothing to fight with the Air Cav and I decide a readjustment of forces is necessart. The Light Div is called in and the Air Cav withdrawn in the hope it will get me some EVV respite by disbanding the Air Cav and that extra ground forces that are mobile are necessary to recapture territory from the VC. Possibly flawed logic but we will see.
The Strat Bombers drop a couple of bridges on the trail and hit some NVA infantry gathering in Laos but otherwise a quiet turn.
Last turn was speant kicking out the remnants of the NVA invasion of Quang Tri but VP's stayed stable at 43 and EVV tripped up again.
This turn (32) the VP's again don't move but the VC appear in large numbers and though they do not make more than one unsuccessful attack before disbanding they manage to convert a lot of hexes that I have trouble reconverting whilst still trying to guard bridges.
The NVA are lurking on the trail in Laos and Cambodia so there is nothing to fight with the Air Cav and I decide a readjustment of forces is necessart. The Light Div is called in and the Air Cav withdrawn in the hope it will get me some EVV respite by disbanding the Air Cav and that extra ground forces that are mobile are necessary to recapture territory from the VC. Possibly flawed logic but we will see.
The Strat Bombers drop a couple of bridges on the trail and hit some NVA infantry gathering in Laos but otherwise a quiet turn.
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Here's a case where the best AA guns the NVA have is a 37mm piece and yet it shot down three B-52's. Buffs don't usually come down into the weeds to bomb their targets. I saw one land at Bien Hoa late one night and it was gone in the morning but that's the only time I ever saw a Buff in South Vietnam. They usually stay up there at 30K or more. I don't want to critisize the TOAW IV game engine but I'd like a little more logic applied to the resolution of the combat. The 37mm guns probably couldn't get a hit on the Buffs but I have no heartburn over the loss of the AC-47's because one or more of them were probably, in fact, lost in the real war. There was an experiment with using them over the HCM trail but the conditions were not ideal for a low slow clumsy aircraft and several of them were damaged. The decision was made to use them in-country only from then on.
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Ian has formed a perimeter near the borders where the VC or NVA would have problems getting into the interior and that's not a bad idea. I'm waiting for the monsoon season to make my strikes to avoid most of the awesume air power Ian has. The idea is to swamp the defenses near Saigon to draw as much Allied equipment down south to leave the north relatively bare so that I can move the NVA east into the mountainous areas and see how that works out. Ian has disbanded the 1st CAV and there are few airmobile units left on his team and I'd like to see how the NVA handle themselves.
Those VC units in the image haven't moved yet and I'm going to disband them at any rate.
It's already October '67 and time for some fireworks.
Those VC units in the image haven't moved yet and I'm going to disband them at any rate.
It's already October '67 and time for some fireworks.
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Turn 36...November 1967
The last turn being cut short by a failed proficiency check after a single round of Strategic bombing on the Trail and trying to re-occupy multiple hexes converted by the invisible VC , this turn I found the VC to have been just as active and although the forces in the Delta are sufficient to reconvert almost every hex, those further north are having more problems.
As such I decide another force rejig is necessary. The fairly impotent Air Cav have been withdrawn (they have proved vulnerable to both AA and rocket attack) and another Infantry Division requested.
The EVV has been 55 for the last couple of turns and VP's static at 41 so we will see how that affects things.
The NVA has been quiet again awaiting another monsoon I suspect.
The good news is that I managed to knock out all three RR repair units improving the Trail.
The last turn being cut short by a failed proficiency check after a single round of Strategic bombing on the Trail and trying to re-occupy multiple hexes converted by the invisible VC , this turn I found the VC to have been just as active and although the forces in the Delta are sufficient to reconvert almost every hex, those further north are having more problems.
As such I decide another force rejig is necessary. The fairly impotent Air Cav have been withdrawn (they have proved vulnerable to both AA and rocket attack) and another Infantry Division requested.
The EVV has been 55 for the last couple of turns and VP's static at 41 so we will see how that affects things.
The NVA has been quiet again awaiting another monsoon I suspect.
The good news is that I managed to knock out all three RR repair units improving the Trail.
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Turn 36...November 1967
The last turn being cut short by a failed proficiency check after a single round of Strategic bombing on the Trail and trying to re-occupy multiple hexes converted by the invisible VC , this turn I found the VC to have been just as active and although the forces in the Delta are sufficient to reconvert almost every hex, those further north are having more problems.
As such I decide another force rejig is necessary. The fairly impotent Air Cav have been withdrawn (they have proved vulnerable to both AA and rocket attack) and another Infantry Division requested.
The EVV has been 55 for the last couple of turns and VP's static at 41 so we will see how that affects things.
The NVA has been quiet again awaiting another monsoon I suspect.
The good news is that I managed to knock out all three RR repair units improving the Trail.
It is interesting that your VP points have stopped (temporarily?) at 41. From reading the Word document for this scenario you are probably aware that at +60VP the FWA will start reducing the EEV by one every two turns.
What you may not be aware of is that that event used to be set to fire at 40+ FWA VP. So in earlier scenrio versions you would already have been drastically slowing EEV growth. That used to make it easier for a fast US build up to beat the EEV clock.
You can also expect the VPs you get for pacification to drop from 3 to just 1 when you get close to triggering that event at 60+ VP. That simulates the fact that you have gained control or the loyalty of so much of South Vietnam's population that further VPs for pacification are harder to come by.