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[BDukes]

Please Add Indian SA-24 Manpad. Look like AF AB defenses instead of Army. IOC 2017

https://twitter.com/indiandefence11/sta ... 7689317377

Thank!

[Hongjian]

ORIGINAL: Dimitris

Cross-posting here a "laundry list" of DB items from a Reddit thread (original here)

I'd like some feedback on these (particularly the ones concerning Russian & Chinese systems) before we proceed on any changes. Thanks.

On weapons guidance channels:

Some modern Navy aircraft should be able to guide the SM-6 (P3I link). https://www.raytheon.com/news/feature/s ... _of_a_kind

It would help to differentiate between weapons guidance channels and targets engaged. Apparently, the S-300 can guide more weapons than it can engage targets.

There needs to be differentiation between the number of channels available for SARH, TVM, and ARH. Based on how ARH missile work they are far less taxing on the datalink than SARH and TVM. I expect late model Patriot and some of the SPY-1 equipped ships to be able to guide far more ARH missiles than currently allowed by CMANO. The SPY S-band datalink can support 1000 times the bitrate of the T2 link (which itself can guide 2 missiles). Do you think it is reasonable for the MPQ-63 to be able to guide the same number of PAC-3 missiles as an MPQ-53 can guide PAC-2 missiles, I don't. I'll leave you with a useful document. (http://techdigest.jhuapl.edu/TD/td2804/Cole.pdf)

On missiles:

All the 5V55 and 48N6 family missiles are far too fast in terms of "game logic". All the other missiles in the game are using their some sort of average speed. This is because the Russian advertise their burnout speed in the brochures while pretty much everyone else lists some sandbagged average over some unknown interval. Simply put, there is no possible way to cram enough propellant into a missile the size of a 5V55 or 48N6 in order for it to average mach 6. The upper bound of 48N6 performance should be lower than the SM-6.

I see no reason as why the AIM-120D is faster than its contemporaries (ex PL-12).

R-27Ex family range is far too high. The missile DLZs have posted online and the range is likely limited by the expenditure of hydraulics (missile loss of control after 60 seconds). Battery or hydraulic "rundown" is a well known limitation of missile range.

I see no evidence that the R-77 seeker has received substantial upgrades. It should be "early 90s technology" based on the development timeline.

40N6 should be marked as hypothetical. Russia has been hyping it since forever yet has never publicly shown even a mockup.

On aircraft:

No publicly shown version of the T-50 can possibly have a frontal and rear that low. The front aspect RCS of the IRST dome alone is enormous (relative to a VLO aircraft). Maybe a future version of the aircraft will fix all the problems but it needs to be marked as "hypothetical".

F-35 likely has a lower front RCS than the F-22.

J-31 needs to be marked as hypothetical since the real aircraft likely doesn't have those stats.

Placeholder values like the supersonic cruise speeds for the J-20 and T-50 need to be changed. What is the likelyhood that the J-20 and T-50 will achieve that level of supersonic cruise even with new engines?

Gripen E can't supersonically cruise at mach 1.6. The F-35 can't supersonically cruise at mach 1.6. No evidence that the J-31 can supersonically cruise.

You should talk a good look at radar max instrumented ranges. For example; the APG-77v1 is easily in the top 3 most powerful radars ever fitted to an operational fighter (by EIRP), why would it's max instrumented range be so low?

It is unlikely that an Irbis-E would outperform any reasonably sized fighter mounted AESA (except maybe the very early ones). Simply put, PESA radars have far more losses between the TWT and the antenna/between the antenna and the LNA. They have worse clutter rejection too. (https://www.slideshare.net/RezaTaryghat ... s-49064300 , page 10-11)

General:

IMO, you should implement a 1 decade tech penalty on post 2010 Chinese electronics and a 1.5 decade tech penalty on Russian electronics. It would give a better result than the current placeholder values. Just check who the leaders are in RF ICs, Imaging IR, logic and memory ICs, etc. None of them are from the PRC or Russia. Russia is so behind that the can't even mass produce an X-band AESA and they had to buy IIR sensors from the French (Catherine systems for their T-90 tanks).

MR-600/650/710 are ancient frequency scanned radars. No way they can perform the way they do.

About the J-20 supercruise debate; it is estimated that the LRIP J-20 at the moment is equipped with the AL-31F series 3 engine and thus cannot achieve supercruise. But a recent report indicates that the WS-15 equipped variant will be presented as soon as this year's Zhuhai Airshow in November, and that this variant will achieve the supercruise capability (and TVC) that the PLAAF wants to satisfy their 4S requirements:

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/militar ... ter-engine

And as you replied yourself, that blanket "generational gap" is kind of hit and miss. For once, China is really keeping their data close, especially about radar and EW, with very few information available in the open internet that are not scattered leaks from research papers and articles. The thing here is that upgrades have existed for Chinese systems as well. The PL-12 AAM that still used the R-77 seeker, for example, underwent at least three major upgrades since 2005, each improving its guidance system and rocket motor - and eventually transforming into the dual-pulse and AESA-seeker equipped PL-15, which was originally the PL-12D (still designed with ramjet).

[Filitch]

ORIGINAL: Dimitris

Cross-posting here a "laundry list" of DB items from a Reddit thread (original here)

I'd like some feedback on these (particularly the ones concerning Russian & Chinese systems) before we proceed on any changes. Thanks.

On weapons guidance channels:

Apparently, the S-300 can guide more weapons than it can engage targets.

On missiles:

All the 5V55 and 48N6 family missiles are far too fast in terms of "game logic". All the other missiles in the game are using their some sort of average speed. This is because the Russian advertise their burnout speed in the brochures while pretty much everyone else lists some sandbagged average over some unknown interval. Simply put, there is no possible way to cram enough propellant into a missile the size of a 5V55 or 48N6 in order for it to average mach 6. The upper bound of 48N6 performance should be lower than the SM-6.

40N6 should be marked as hypothetical. Russia has been hyping it since forever yet has never publicly shown even a mockup.

S-300. All S-300 family can guides twice more missiles than engages targets.

48N6E. As I see it - CMANO uses a real speed of 48N6 family only at heights above 10,000 meters (band 4) In other cases - speed is less than declared.

40N6E. This summer several sources claimed end of tests and starting operational trials. So, this is exactly not "hypotetical"

[jetjunky]

Hey everyone

I am back... This game is amazing, there are no words really![8D][&o][&o][&o]

DB Requests:
Royal Navy oilers, please add support for gas powered warships for UNREP. (specifically Olwen class)
Royal Navy carriers deploy SAS and SBS from their carriers, please add some cargo space for troops.(Specifically Hermes and Invincible class)
Royal Navy Sea King Commando variant pilots used night vision goggles in the early 80's, can this sensor be added please.

[Rory Noonan]

ORIGINAL: ARCNA442

Minor correction. The F 812 Jacob van Heemskerck frigate (and it's Chilean version, FFG 14 Almirante Latorre) should have a 16 round magazine for Sea Sparrow rather than the 8 round magazine it currently has.

No problem; easy fix. Do you have a reference for this?

[Rory Noonan]

Added requests up to this point

[ARCNA442]

ORIGINAL: apache85

ORIGINAL: ARCNA442

Minor correction. The F 812 Jacob van Heemskerck frigate (and it's Chilean version, FFG 14 Almirante Latorre) should have a 16 round magazine for Sea Sparrow rather than the 8 round magazine it currently has.

No problem; easy fix. Do you have a reference for this?

Christopher Chant, A Compendium of Amaments and Military Hardware, page 249 (available on Google Books).

[BDukes]

Please removed PL-7 from PLAAF/PLANAF aircrafts. Evidence good export only.

If you look you don't see PL-7 on home aircraft all all. PL-5 used instead as more reliable.

Other supporting infos

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THank!

[Sharana]

Found problem with the turkish Gabya class (ex Perry) Frigates. They've got the Mk.41 VLS and ESSM ... but didn't get any radars to guide those missiles, so the ships in the current DB are floating targets.

Here is list of changes during the Modernization of the Perry class.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-class_frigate

The addition of an 8-cell Mk-41 VLS for Evolved Sea Sparrow, including the upgrade of the Mk-92 fire control system by Lockheed Martin
The retrofitting of a new advanced SMART-S Mk2 3D air search radar to replace AN/SPS-49

In the current DB it's the MK.92 mod 6 that can't guide ESSMs. Mod 12 is needed (ID:1760).

[BDukes]

Please sirs Add Su-30SM equipped with EW SAP-518SM pod on wingtips

Look at May 2018 pictures of SU-30 in Syria

https://pp.userapi.com/c845522/v8455224 ... 5O4NEg.jpg

Same here recent

https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/statu ... 3818732549

[BDukes]

Please add L-370-3S Jammer for SU-25M3. Replace aphid station on load out

picture

https://twitter.com/russian_defence/sta ... 7181398016

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Db9yYd_X4AERLD1.jpg

https://twitter.com/russian_defence/sta ... 7912335360

Infos

https://books.google.com/books?id=mbCdC ... od&f=false

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... syria.html

Thank!

[Bashkire]

Is there a view-able list of requests so we know what's coming up and we don't accidentally double request something?

[KC45]

I found Japanese Ministory of Defence made budget for JSM for F-35A. Import from Norway. You can find it search [Japanese ministry Defense Budget] on google,select the page and select [Defense Programs and Budget of Japan Overview of FY2018 Budget.]
And here is name article, Japan bought GBU39 SDB.
Air Force taps Boeing to build additional 6,000 GBU-39 small-diameter bomb (SDB) smart munitions

[gosnold]

The last two FREMM ASW French frigates will be able to have a long-range SAM loadout

In details, that means a new class of frigates have to be introduced for the French Navy
FREMM ASW Bretagne, France (Navy), 2018, 2x
They should be a copy of ship #2711 (Normandie FREMM ASW with MdCN), except the mounts should include 1x Sylver A50 VLS +1xA70 instead of 1xA43+1xA70.

source on navyrecognition

Edit: I misread the article, they can still carry MdCN

[Filitch]

DB Build 475
#52 GBU-39/B Penetrator has 93 kg HE and 139,5 DP. But IRL the weight of explosive is according different sources only 16 kg. (36 lbs.) or 23 kg. (50 lbs.), so DP (and blast effect) should be less.

[Rory Noonan]

ORIGINAL: Bashkire

Is there a view-able list of requests so we know what's coming up and we don't accidentally double request something?

They're tracked on our issue tracker so its not publicly viewable. No harm in asking twice!

If there's a particular platform you're curious about you can ask but may not get an immediate answer (it can sometimes be a while in between when I check this thread as other projects come up).

[KC45]

Is Japanese (X)ASM-3 on the List?

There are some confirmed loadouts for F-2A/B,
2xASM-3+2xAAM-4B+2xAAM-3 (or AAM-5)+2x600galFuelTank
Maybe AAM-4B can load as optinal
Sorry for I still can upload Links or images but you can search google by Mitsubishi XF-2A test aircraft carrying experimental XASM-3 anti-ship missiles and other weapons. [1024 x 683]

[Bashkire]

In that case I would like to strongly suggest that a matter of priority would be reconfiguring the database to allow units to carry cargo. It's no small task I grant you, but you've got a great mechanic in the game by way of Cargo Operations and then there are ships like the Albion class and the San Antonio class, which are both LPDs, that aren't able to have cargo embarked when the entire point of their design is to land men and material ashore.

Anyway, thanks for clearing that up! I look forward to the next update of this fantastic sim with great anticipation!

[LORDPrometheus]

A few things that i think should be added in:

Tachin-class Guided Missile Frigate: New Thai guided missile frigate based on the South Korean Gwanggaeto the Great-class. The first ship is being fitted out and it's armament and sensor suite is finalized.

Daegu-Class Frigate: Upgraded Incheon class, first ship has been in service since 2016.

E-11A: Bombardier Global Express fitted with BACN system.

[eleos]

Please devs add F-32 in DB3000.

It's unthinkable to have planes like A-12, FB-22, F-19 that didn't exist even as mockup models and X-32 which flew in 2 prototypes to be absent from DB3000.

Links that provide some data for the counter candidate of JSF programme.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20 ... ompetition

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraf ... aft_id=351

https://www.boeing.com/history/products ... ghter.page

https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/jsf.htm

https://www.avgeekery.com/boeings-x-32- ... mpetition/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-32