Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

I don't doubt that people will be butting heads and locking horns.

Why not? We have two Bullwinkles now. Let them them fight for dominance and mating privileges!

I was trying to continue the puns.

[BullwinkleMogami]

what if there is no butting of the horns? what if

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle(Mogami)

what if there is no butting of the horns? what if

Not sure how you were going to end that post. [&:]

But before you go there, horning of the butts is not allowed here. [:-]

[Schani59]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Sadly, another navy has suffered a collision that will likely sink the frigate. No word on casualties during the collision but all crew have been taken off the ship.
The short video shows tugboats pushing the ship against the shore to try to stop it capsizing, but the picture below shows a much increased list that may mean the ship is a write-off.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46136564

Not so bad. Most of that will buff out.[;)]

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: wegman58

"We've got control?" Reminds me of the old spiel (don't know if it is true or not) about a US aircraft carrier on a CBDR (Constant Bearing, Decreasing Range) vector with something on the radar. The carrier keeps on telling the radar contact to change course and the final bit is, "We're a lighthouse."

An urban legend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighthouse_and_naval_vessel_urban_legend

From wikipedia:
A commonly circulated version goes thus:

This is the transcript of a radio conversation of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 1995. Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations 10-10-95.

[font="Trebuchet MS"]Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision.
Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.
Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.
Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course.
Americans: This is the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln, the second largest ship in the United States' Atlantic fleet. We are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels. I demand that YOU change your course 15 degrees north, that's one five degrees north, or countermeasures will be undertaken to ensure the safety of this ship.
Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call.[/font]

Other vessels sometimes named in the transcript include the carriers Enterprise, Coral Sea and Nimitz, and the Missouri, a battleship. The location of the exchange has also sometimes been claimed to be Puget Sound, or off the coast of North Carolina, some other times the lighthouse is located at Cape Finisterre (Spain). (The Spanish version expands the joke by having the lighthouse keeper respond to the aircraft carrier's inventory of the fleet by saying he's accompanied by "our dog, our food, two beers, and a canary that's currently asleep.") Some versions relocate it to the Irish or Scottish coasts; in the former case the ship is sometimes identified as British, with the conversation taking place off the coast of Kerry in 1998.There is sometimes an additional line of dialogue where the lighthouse keeper tells the ship captain he is a Seaman First Class before the final exchange. The prefatory information sometimes notes it was released in response to a request under the Freedom of Information Act, and/or names Jeremy Boorda, the incumbent Chief of Naval Operations on the stated date.

[BullwinkleMogami]

The Honda Point disaster was the largest peacetime loss of U.S. Navy ships. On the evening of September 8, 1923, seven destroyers, while traveling at 20 knots (37 km/h), ran aground at Honda Point
USS Delphy was equipped with a radio navigation receiver, but her navigator and captain ignored its indicated bearings, believing them to be erroneous.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle(Mogami)

The Honda Point disaster was the largest peacetime loss of U.S. Navy ships. On the evening of September 8, 1923, seven destroyers, while traveling at 20 knots (37 km/h), ran aground at Honda Point
USS Delphy was equipped with a radio navigation receiver, but her navigator and captain ignored its indicated bearings, believing them to be erroneous.

This is recounted in the book, Course 095 to Eternity.

[PetrOs]

At least no people got lost in the incident. Too often maritime collisions bring horrendous losses if a ship is hit by a bulbous bow of another, like the one which caused russian passenger ship Admiral Nakhimoff to sink in 1986...

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

Unfortunately she sunk during the last night...

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/secur ... stad-sinks




Leo "Apollo11"

[BBfanboy]

Well the Norwegians raised the Kursk from deep water, so they should be able to lift this ship and put her on a heavy lift ship like the one that carried USS Cole home after the attack by terrorists.

[PetrOs]

The problem with that would be that while you could definitely lift it and put her in a dock - thats just the cost question - ALL the electronics would be a goner. Salt water is highly corrosive, and all non-watertight electronic installations would be damaged even by a short dip. You would need to replace all wiring and all electronics, and that is in fact much more expensive then the metal shell, and could in fact be more expensive then building a replacement from scratch, maybe using some few non-water sensitive machinery from the old one. Of course, if all electronics racks are fully waterproof, and all cabling is fiber optics, then water would not do anything, but I highly doubt that. It is not like the T-34 Tank which was found in estonian swamp a few years ago which was able to start the engine after cleaning and replacing the fuel and battery.

[Lokasenna]

I mean, logistically speaking... it's now somewhat easier for them to salvage the ship. It's already sunk and everybody knows how to raise sunken ships.

More expensive, though, not least because of equipment destroyed by the sinking.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

I mean, logistically speaking... it's now somewhat easier for them to salvage the ship. It's already sunk and everybody knows how to raise sunken ships.

More expensive, though, not least because of equipment destroyed by the sinking.

Maybe the Norwegians were prescient enough to listen to Flo and buy the Progressive Insurance idiocy coverage ...

[Yaab]

There is a clandestine war between the Principality of Malta against the Kingdom of Norway, and no-one knows for sure what is the casus belli.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: Yaab

There is a clandestine war between the Principality of Malta against the Kingdom of Norway, and no-one knows for sure what is the casus belli.

Probably something to do with the Norman invasion of Malta in 1091. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_invasion_of_Malta
Some countries just can't let go of the past.

[RangerJoe]

The problem with that is that the Normans were not necessarily Norwegian. Some of them were from Sweden and probably Denmark as well, By the time of that invasion however, the original Northman settlers had been assimilated into the local French population.

[Knavey]

ORIGINAL: BullwinkleMogami

The Honda Point disaster was the largest peacetime loss of U.S. Navy ships. On the evening of September 8, 1923, seven destroyers, while traveling at 20 knots (37 km/h), ran aground at Honda Point
USS Delphy was equipped with a radio navigation receiver, but her navigator and captain ignored its indicated bearings, believing them to be erroneous.

I wonder which cost more...I suppose in adjusted dollars, probably Honda Point, but I bet that modern frigate costs a pretty penny.

[Knavey]

ORIGINAL: Yaab

There is a clandestine war between the Principality of Malta against the Kingdom of Norway, and no-one knows for sure what is the casus belli.

Principality of Malta against the Kingdom of Norway

Could not find info on this? Is there a link out there?

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Knavey

ORIGINAL: BullwinkleMogami

The Honda Point disaster was the largest peacetime loss of U.S. Navy ships. On the evening of September 8, 1923, seven destroyers, while traveling at 20 knots (37 km/h), ran aground at Honda Point
USS Delphy was equipped with a radio navigation receiver, but her navigator and captain ignored its indicated bearings, believing them to be erroneous.

I wonder which cost more...I suppose in adjusted dollars, probably Honda Point, but I bet that modern frigate costs a pretty penny.

Only source I could find in short order was this one: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military ... dd-186.htm

$350M for 150 DDs (presumably including all the Clemsons). So that's 2.333M per DD in 1916 dollars, per DD

This Norwegian frigate was ordered in 2000 at a cost of $508M. Inflation from 1916 on $2.333M is only $35.9M. Multiply that by the 7 DDs at Honda Point and it's under the cost of the Norwegian frigate.

Gotta say I'm surprised, but then again we're talking 84 years in between and on such long timescales I don't really trust inflation to be super accurate. There are too many disruptive historical events in between. It can get in the ballpark for sure...

So I'd say it seems comparable, in monetary terms.

However, in military capability terms... that frigate is far more of Norway's navy than those 7 Clemsons were of the USN in 1916.

[Yaab]

Well, as Germans might say "Versagen durch Technik".