Korsun today, tomorrow Stalingrad?

Rob Gjessing · Post by **Rob Gjessing** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 12:43 pm

Any limitations in terms of map size would be overcome. Like I have said before, whilst I dont speak for SSG, I understand that they have some big plans here.. dependent on how well KP sells I spose.. so buy one for yourself, one for your girlfriend (she'd be the perfect woman is she played too right?

), one for your dad, one for your grandpa and one for the next door neighours dog..

Oh yeah.. "Joss".. your image made me laugh..

Vasquez · Post by **Vasquez** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 2:23 pm

No, please not a african scenario this is boring :p I would like:

A full east front campaign

If not posible

:

1. Stalingrad/Caucasus

2. D-Day/Normandie

3. Zitadelle (Kursk) maybe including the Orel area.

"Die Höhen von Seelow" (04/1945) would also nice or a italy campaign or so. But russian front is still the best and most interesting.

Capitaine · Post by **Capitaine** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 3:11 pm

For Barbarossa, you could divide it up: AGN, AGC and AGS. It's really an exciting situation.

I'd also like a France 1940 operation.

Some folks had mentioned that Crete and/or a N. Afrika operation originally were considered to be included w/ KP. Crete and, of course, N. Afrika would be awesome.

So would Sicily, for that matter... =P

"Joss" Osborne · Post by **"Joss" Osborne** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 5:43 pm

Originally posted by Rob Gjessing
Any limitations in terms of map size would be overcome. Like I have said before, whilst I dont speak for SSG, I understand that they have some big plans here.. dependent on how well KP sells I spose.. so buy one for yourself, one for your girlfriend (she'd be the perfect woman is she played too right? ), one for your dad, one for your grandpa and one for the next door neighours dog..

Oh yeah.. "Joss".. your image made me laugh..

This is good to hear, as I'm actively soliciting all my SPWAW friends to buy,buy buy!

For those who don't know, the image I posted is from my first exploratory bumblings with the editor.

For those of you with questions...yes, you can create you're own tile sets (Photoshop is NOT included

) .... Yes, you can create your own countries and units! There is a nice OOB creator buried inside.

Yes, the editor is not documented and Roger has promised us more with Normandy game, but after having spent weeks with an undocumented editor in the game "Bltzkrieg" this wasn't such a mystery. Though there are some quirks.....

Kent Pfeiffer · Post by **Kent Pfeiffer** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 7:12 pm

Originally posted by Titan
Another which would be very interesting would be operation Typhoon,it would could be a real thriller for the Germans to do better than they did historically,and it is a battle that is not depicted to often

That one would be at the top of my list. It has two great things going for it: the two sides are fairly evenly matched and it's one of the very few single operations that could have changed the outcome of the war. It's surprising that Typhoon is so rarely depicted in computer wargames, especially since some of the best board wargames ever made, like SPI's Operation Typhoon, GMT's Typhoon!, and The Gamers' Guderian's Blitzkrieg cover it.

Henri · Post by **Henri** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 7:40 pm

Roger Keating has already leaked on a Wargamer AAR that the next game after Normandy will be Barbarossa. I will prefer the latter, since Normandy invasion games are my least favorite games. Barbarossa at the Division level as planned is good, although I prefer a corps level game a la The Russian Campaign.

I think that the suggestion for a France 1940 game is a good one.

One problem with the excellent TAO is that the Germans have no chance at all (as historically) of reaching Liege, even against the most incompetent play. There should be an option for "unrealistic" results that cold be fun.

I can't comment on this aspect of Korsun Pocket, since so far I have played only the ahistgorical "Wiking Whiteout" addon scenario (see my AAR on the war-historical usenet forum).

henri

elmo3 · Post by **elmo3** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 8:17 pm

Can you post a link for that AAR Henri? I can't find it at their site. Thanks.

Spaceman · Post by **Spaceman** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 9:32 pm

Originally posted by Kent Pfeiffer
That one would be at the top of my list. It has two great things going for it: the two sides are fairly evenly matched and it's one of the very few single operations that could have changed the outcome of the war. It's surprising that Typhoon is so rarely depicted in computer wargames, especially since some of the best board wargames ever made, like SPI's Operation Typhoon, GMT's Typhoon!, and The Gamers' Guderian's Blitzkrieg cover it.

Got The Gamer's Guderian II recently, GREAT fun. Would make a good WG and have considered doing parts with the Editor ?!

The Gamers's Operational Combat Series treats the situations interestingly. One could in principle do DBWWII on any of the OCS games.

A question though - great to see the decisive battles done well with this engine, but perhaps would be good to not simply do all the HPS games again, but deal with less well covered ones instead.

Tunisia is a great match, even with a lot of opportunities...
Hube's Pocket would eb interesting and contemporary with Khorsun (similar balance, familiar to Korsun players) - am tentatively going to do this one with the Editor
Kiev/Zhitomir also interesting.
Post-Kursk Ukraine - tough for the Germans. Can you do as well as von Manstein?
Italy has not been covered enough by board or PC games.

My €0.04

Cheers

Space§man

Henri · Post by **Henri** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 9:46 pm

Originally posted by elmo3
Can you post a link for that AAR Henri? I can't find it at their site. Thanks.

www.wargamer.com/wachtamrhein

Click on replays on the left menu and choose the top one.

In fact it is a replay of The Ardennes Offensive version that comes with KP, but this new version has the same engine. Keating's comment about Barbarossa is in the comments of one of the early turns. And it was written some time ago...

Henri

elmo3 · Post by **elmo3** » Tue Aug 12, 2003 9:57 pm

tanks

P.S. - Never did find the comment. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what is after Normandy.

I'm hoping Stalingrad myself.

Rob Gjessing · Post by **Rob Gjessing** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:48 pm

Maybe we should start taking bets

Jacko · Post by **Jacko** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:53 pm

Yes. And the winner can decide which battles will be covered by the next three games. Stalingrad, Normandy and Charkow 1942/43, in my case.

Vasquez · Post by **Vasquez** » Wed Aug 13, 2003 3:40 pm

Originally posted by Henri
Roger Keating has already leaked on a Wargamer AAR that the next game after Normandy will be Barbarossa.

A full barbarossa campaign would be awesome

Matt Erickson · Post by **Matt Erickson** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:38 am

The italian offensive in north africa in 1940 JUICY!:eek:

Nickel · Post by **Nickel** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:27 am

This may make for too large a game, but I vote for Stalingrad as long as it includes Operation Blue (42 Summer Offensive). The attacks from Voronezh in the north, Crossing the Don, the assault on Sevastopol/ Crimea and the march By Army Group B (von Paulus and Hoth) on Stalingrad plus the attack of Army Group A (List, Manstein & Kleist) towards the Caucasas would make for some incredible manuver warfare. Course operation Uranus by the Russians would need to be included to balance play for both sides IMO. I think that just the Battle of Stalingrad after Uranus had isolated it would be more of a set piece battle. Give me open terrain, the playground of armor.

Matt Erickson · Post by **Matt Erickson** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:48 am

Actually the "winter storm" operation would be good, the tank battles of the 11pz an 6th an 17th an 23rd pz were great.

Jacko · Post by **Jacko** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 10:16 am

Winterstorm. Exactly. Few operations were so dramatic as this one and to change the outcome of it would be very, very interesting indeed.

bagpuss · Post by **bagpuss** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 4:28 pm

Normandy.......for me

Chaplain · Post by **Chaplain** » Wed Aug 20, 2003 10:40 pm

The whole Stalingrad campaign, including Wintergewitter, would be an unparalleled wargaming experience - offensives on both sides, desperation, heroism, etc. Italy? Exciting at the beginning, then dull. France 1940? Intriguing, if you know the history - not a slam-dunk for the Germans. Same goes for my hopeless and forlorn hope - Case White (Poland).

Belisarius · Post by **Belisarius** » Fri Aug 22, 2003 11:16 am

Typhoon.

That'd be really interesting, can you do better than history? It think the format would lend itself quite well to that operation, too. Lots of surprised units in the beginning, and the Red Army recieving more and more reinforcements the closer to Moscow it gets, and a bazillion strongpoints/partisans popping up everywhere.

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