Carry On up the Pacific: AllenK vs sPzAbt.502 (Allied AAR)

[AllenK]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

BTW - what's with your CA Belfast counter avatar? Didn't they read the London Naval treaty - cruisers with 6" guns are CLs!

You’ll have to debate the technical details with the WiF guys! Right now I need as much smoke, mirrors and bluff as I can conjure up.

Avatar choice is an homage to a dearly loved Great Uncle who served in her during WW2.

[AllenK]

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: AllenK




Hopefully the old girl will prove a suitable nemesis to her namesake.

"Old is an understatement . . "

He'll never attack her. In fact, tell him where she is at all times.

The ship should be at the forefront of any operation. Significant psy-ops value in using it. Or in losing it...

I had been thinking on similar lines and, as events have transpired, necessity may well drive me down that route anyway.

[AllenK]

Not to mention the 'football' game.

Zorch, my dear fellow, I quite agree with not mentioning that football game. A bit of rugger maybe, but the only true sport, worthy of more than a few column inches, is the noble art of cricket. For those poor souls unfortunate enough not to have been initiated into its sacred ways and traditions, the following is pretty self-explanatory guide. Not my own composition but couldn’t have put it better.

You have two sides, one out in the field and one in. Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out. When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side that's been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out.

When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in. There are two men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out. When both sides have been in and all the men have been out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game.

[Lecivius]

ORIGINAL: AllenK

Not to mention the 'football' game.

Zorch, my dear fellow, I quite agree with not mentioning that football game. A bit of rugger maybe, but the only true sport, worthy of more than a few column inches, is the noble art of cricket. For those poor souls unfortunate enough not to have been initiated into its sacred ways and traditions, the following is pretty self-explanatory guide.

You have two sides, one out in the field and one in. Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out. When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side that's been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out.

When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in. There are two men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out. When both sides have been in and all the men have been out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: AllenK

Not to mention the 'football' game.

Zorch, my dear fellow, I quite agree with not mentioning that football game. A bit of rugger maybe, but the only true sport, worthy of more than a few column inches, is the noble art of cricket. For those poor souls unfortunate enough not to have been initiated into its sacred ways and traditions, the following is pretty self-explanatory guide.

You have two sides, one out in the field and one in. Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out. When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side that's been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out.

When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in. There are two men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out. When both sides have been in and all the men have been out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game.

So that's how the British conquered the world - Cricket! Figuring out the rules kept the natives too busy to revolt. If they had taught us Yanks, we would still be in the Commonwealth.

Abbott and Costello could have had so much fun with cricket. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg

[Capt. Harlock]

ORIGINAL: Lecivius

Sing along with me!

"We gotta find the battle ship that's causing such a fuss
we gotta sink the Warspite cause the world depends on us
'So hit the decks a running boys, and swing those guns around'
we gotta sink the Warspite, we gotta put 'er down"

Well, she does have eight 15-inch guns -- close enough.

[AllenK]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: AllenK

Not to mention the 'football' game.

Zorch, my dear fellow, I quite agree with not mentioning that football game. A bit of rugger maybe, but the only true sport, worthy of more than a few column inches, is the noble art of cricket. For those poor souls unfortunate enough not to have been initiated into its sacred ways and traditions, the following is pretty self-explanatory guide.

You have two sides, one out in the field and one in. Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out. When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side that's been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out.

When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in. There are two men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out. When both sides have been in and all the men have been out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game.

So that's how the British conquered the world - Cricket! Figuring out the rules kept the natives too busy to revolt. If they had taught us Yanks, we would still be in the Commonwealth.

Abbott and Costello could have had so much fun with cricket. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg

Ah yes, I can just picture it

"Costello: Well go ahead and tell me!
Abbott: Who is at Silly Mid-On
Costello: What are you askin' me for? I'm askin' you, who's at Silly Mid-On?
Abbott: That's it
Costello: Well go ahead and tell me
Abbott: Who
Costello: The guy at Silly Mid-On
Abbott: That's it
Costello: What's the guy's name at Silly Mid-On?
Abbott: No, What's at Short Fine Leg
Costello: I'm not askin' you who's at Short Fine Leg!
Abbott: Who's at Silly Mid-On
Costello: That's what I'm askin' you! Who's at Silly Mid-On?
Abbott: Now wait a minute. Don't…don't change the players
Costello: I'm not changin' nobody! I asked you a simple question. What's the guys' name at Silly Mid-On?
Abbott: What's the guy's name at Short Fine Leg
Costello: I'm not askin' you who's at Short Fine Leg!
Abbott: Who's at Silly Mid-On
Costello: I don't know
Abbott: He's at Deep Cover Point. Now we're not talking about him" .... and so on.

You don't necessarily need professional comedians. The matchless commentators from Test Match Special have their moments.

"The inner part of his thigh must have removed a bail"
"Yes, he just couldn't quite get his leg over"

or the introduction that went along the lines of

"Welcome back from the shipping forecast to our listeners on the Long Wave. You join us at the start of a new over. The batsman's Holding, the bowler's Willie".

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: AllenK

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: AllenK



Zorch, my dear fellow, I quite agree with not mentioning that football game. A bit of rugger maybe, but the only true sport, worthy of more than a few column inches, is the noble art of cricket. For those poor souls unfortunate enough not to have been initiated into its sacred ways and traditions, the following is pretty self-explanatory guide.

You have two sides, one out in the field and one in. Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out. When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side that's been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out.

When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in. There are two men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out. When both sides have been in and all the men have been out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game.

So that's how the British conquered the world - Cricket! Figuring out the rules kept the natives too busy to revolt. If they had taught us Yanks, we would still be in the Commonwealth.

Abbott and Costello could have had so much fun with cricket. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg

Ah yes, I can just picture it

"Costello: Well go ahead and tell me!
Abbott: Who is at Silly Mid-On
Costello: What are you askin' me for? I'm askin' you, who's at Silly Mid-On?
Abbott: That's it
Costello: Well go ahead and tell me
Abbott: Who
Costello: The guy at Silly Mid-On
Abbott: That's it
Costello: What's the guy's name at Silly Mid-On?
Abbott: No, What's at Short Fine Leg
Costello: I'm not askin' you who's at Short Fine Leg!
Abbott: Who's at Silly Mid-On
Costello: That's what I'm askin' you! Who's at Silly Mid-On?
Abbott: Now wait a minute. Don't…don't change the players
Costello: I'm not changin' nobody! I asked you a simple question. What's the guys' name at Silly Mid-On?
Abbott: What's the guy's name at Short Fine Leg
Costello: I'm not askin' you who's at Short Fine Leg!
Abbott: Who's at Silly Mid-On
Costello: I don't know
Abbott: He's at Deep Cover Point. Now we're not talking about him" .... and so on.

Mind you the matchless commentators from Test Match Special have their moments.

"The inner part of his thigh must have removed a bail"
"Yes, he just couldn't quite get get his leg over"

or the introduction that went along the lines of

"Welcome back from the shipping forecast to our listeners on the Long Wave. You join us at the start of a new over. The batsman's Holding, the bowler's Willie".

[&o][&o] It would be Laurel & Hardy, Not Abbott & Costello.

[AllenK]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: AllenK

ORIGINAL: Zorch



So that's how the British conquered the world - Cricket! Figuring out the rules kept the natives too busy to revolt. If they had taught us Yanks, we would still be in the Commonwealth.

Abbott and Costello could have had so much fun with cricket. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg

Ah yes, I can just picture it

"Costello: Well go ahead and tell me!
Abbott: Who is at Silly Mid-On
Costello: What are you askin' me for? I'm askin' you, who's at Silly Mid-On?
Abbott: That's it
Costello: Well go ahead and tell me
Abbott: Who
Costello: The guy at Silly Mid-On
Abbott: That's it
Costello: What's the guy's name at Silly Mid-On?
Abbott: No, What's at Short Fine Leg
Costello: I'm not askin' you who's at Short Fine Leg!
Abbott: Who's at Silly Mid-On
Costello: That's what I'm askin' you! Who's at Silly Mid-On?
Abbott: Now wait a minute. Don't…don't change the players
Costello: I'm not changin' nobody! I asked you a simple question. What's the guys' name at Silly Mid-On?
Abbott: What's the guy's name at Short Fine Leg
Costello: I'm not askin' you who's at Short Fine Leg!
Abbott: Who's at Silly Mid-On
Costello: I don't know
Abbott: He's at Deep Cover Point. Now we're not talking about him" .... and so on.

Mind you the matchless commentators from Test Match Special have their moments.

"The inner part of his thigh must have removed a bail"
"Yes, he just couldn't quite get get his leg over"

or the introduction that went along the lines of

"Welcome back from the shipping forecast to our listeners on the Long Wave. You join us at the start of a new over. The batsman's Holding, the bowler's Willie".

[&o][&o] It would be Laurel & Hardy, Not Abbott & Costello.

Hmm, I think that's altogether another fine mess you've got us into.

[AllenK]

ORIGINAL: Bif1961

Good luck in your new contest. Oddly my long time opponent are starting another PBEM game and I am the Allies this time and I am awaiting the outcome of the first day attacks. It will be interesting to compare our outcomes as we proceed. Any hints on your grand strategy on confronting the Empire?

07/12/1941 (Supplemental)
SNAFUCOM-PAC

Dear Diary,

A message from The Forum came rattling down the tubes. It seems my 'do nothing stupid' strategy may need a little more substance.

Time to exercise ze little grey cells.... Oh no, wait, that's an entirely different parody.... Settling down with a nice drop of claret, the following thoughts are dragged, somewhat reluctantly it has to be said, from the recesses of the old sub conscious. Mind you, I did test recess positive once, so this should be good stuff.

- Simulations on The Forum indicate the Japanese ability to wage war is dependent on their economy.
- This economy is based upon finite resources and reserves.
- To sustain the effort, the Japanese need to capture resources.
- With our forces as they are, we probably can't stop the Japanese getting whatever they choose to concentrate their efforts on. However, the harder we make it, the more of their finite resources they will have to burn and the more they will have to concentrate their efforts. Their concentration of limited forces should lead to gaps elsewhere.


Initial aims are

1. Consolidate our forces in good defensive terrain and defend as best we can. China being a prime example. The more the Japanese have to commit and spend in China the better.
2. Probe for the gaps.
3. Create plenty of noise and commit sufficient forces to threaten and potentially exploit, should the gaps materialise there, the Northern and Central Pacific routes. Main aim is to draw Japanese forces away from the main event.
4. Seek to interdict the supply of resources from DEI/Malaya/Sumatra to Japan.
5. Get to within strategic bombing range of the DEI/Malaya/Sumatra resources.
6. Recapture the, hopefully, ruins.
7. Move on to the homeland.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: AllenK

ORIGINAL: Bif1961

Good luck in your new contest. Oddly my long time opponent are starting another PBEM game and I am the Allies this time and I am awaiting the outcome of the first day attacks. It will be interesting to compare our outcomes as we proceed. Any hints on your grand strategy on confronting the Empire?

07/12/1941 (Supplemental)
SNAFUCOM-PAC

Dear Diary,

A message from The Forum came rattling down the tubes. It seems my 'do nothing stupid' strategy may need a little more substance.

Time to exercise ze little grey cells.... Oh no, wait, that's an entirely different parody.... Settling down with a nice drop of claret, the following thoughts are dragged, somewhat reluctantly it has to be said, from the recesses of the old sub conscious. Mind you, I did test recess positive once, so this should be good stuff.

- Simulations on The Forum indicate the Japanese ability to wage war is dependent on their economy.
- This economy is based upon finite resources and reserves.
- To sustain the effort, the Japanese need to capture resources.
- With our forces as they are, we probably can't stop the Japanese getting whatever they choose to concentrate their efforts on. However, the harder we make it, the more of their finite resources they will have to burn and the more they will have to concentrate their efforts. Their concentration of limited forces should lead to gaps elsewhere.


Initial aims are

1. Consolidate our forces in good defensive terrain and defend as best we can. China being a prime example. The more the Japanese have to commit and spend in China the better.
2. Probe for the gaps.
3. Create plenty of noise and commit sufficient forces to threaten and potentially exploit, should the gaps materialise there, the Northern and Central Pacific routes. Main aim is to draw Japanese forces away from the main event.
4. Seek to interdict the supply of resources from DEI/Malaya/Sumatra to Japan.
5. Get to within strategic bombing range of the DEI/Malaya/Sumatra resources.
6. Recapture the, hopefully, ruins.
7. Move on to the homeland.

'SNAFUCOM' is better than the historical CINC-US.

'from the recesses of the old sub conscious' - A much better ship name than Unconscious.

[AllenK]

CinC-US, or as read, sink us, does have a certain anticipatory appropriateness.

[AllenK]

While waiting for the turn file from Warspite1 so I can enter the Allied Dec 8th orders (will take some time), I'm pondering what to do about the following from the combat events report:

"PBY-4 Catalina sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 158,91 near Midway Island , Moving Southeast
PBY-4 Catalina sighting report: Japanese AO at 158,91 near Midway Island , Moving Southeast
PBY-4 Catalina has spotted a Japanese AO at 158,91
:::::::: a Manzyu TM AO class AO is reported HIT
PBY-4 Catalina has spotted a Shiretoko class AO at 158,91
PBY-4 Catalina has spotted a Japanese AP at 158,91"

1. Send Big E and Lex straight back towards Midway (flank speed where necessary) to try for a strike.
2. Recover VMF from Wake, then go hunting AO's.
3. Recover VMF from Wake then get out of the area.
4. Get out of area.

Whichever option chosen, the subs in the area will be directed to attempt an intercept.

[Anachro]

ORIGINAL: AllenK

1. Send Big E and Lex straight back towards Midway (flank speed where necessary) to try for a strike.
2. Recover VMF from Wake, then go hunting AO's.
3. Recover VMF from Wake then get out of the area.
4. Get out of area.

Whichever option chosen, the subs in the area will be directed to attempt an intercept.

I'd caution against 1 as that puts your carriers in the pathway of KB

[AllenK]

ORIGINAL: Anachro

ORIGINAL: AllenK

1. Send Big E and Lex straight back towards Midway (flank speed where necessary) to try for a strike.
2. Recover VMF from Wake, then go hunting AO's.
3. Recover VMF from Wake then get out of the area.
4. Get out of area.

Whichever option chosen, the subs in the area will be directed to attempt an intercept.

I'd caution against 1 as that puts your carriers in the pathway of KB

Yes, if the KB doesn't hang around Pearl for a day or two of more strikes but retires to the AO's, then things could get tricky. However, if it does hang around ...

This will be an interesting clue as to Warspite1's leanings. He will have had some sort of intel report about the AO's being sighted/hit (assuming my reports have any degree of veracity). However, he will also have had the good damage reports from the Pearl strike. These could tempt him to stay and finish the job. He will be getting advice, hopefully contradictory, from the forum but ultimately the decision is his. In the words of The Clash. "Should I stay or should I go. If I go it will be trouble. If I stay it will be double. So you've got to let me know .... Should I stay or should I go."

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: AllenK

ORIGINAL: Anachro

ORIGINAL: AllenK

1. Send Big E and Lex straight back towards Midway (flank speed where necessary) to try for a strike.
2. Recover VMF from Wake, then go hunting AO's.
3. Recover VMF from Wake then get out of the area.
4. Get out of area.

Whichever option chosen, the subs in the area will be directed to attempt an intercept.

I'd caution against 1 as that puts your carriers in the pathway of KB

Yes, if the KB doesn't hang around Pearl for a day or two of more strikes but retires to the AO's, then things could get tricky. However, if it does hang around ...

This will be an interesting clue as to Warspite1's leanings. He will have had some sort of intel report about the AO's being sighted/hit (assuming my reports have any degree of veracity). However, he will also have had the good damage reports from the Pearl strike. These could tempt him to stay and finish the job. He will be getting advice, hopefully contradictory, from the forum but ultimately the decision is his. In the words of The Clash. "Should I stay or should I go. If I go it will be trouble. If I stay it will be double. So you've got to let me know .... Should I stay or should I go."

You wanna Rock The Casbah before London Calls?

[AllenK]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: AllenK

ORIGINAL: Anachro




I'd caution against 1 as that puts your carriers in the pathway of KB

Yes, if the KB doesn't hang around Pearl for a day or two of more strikes but retires to the AO's, then things could get tricky. However, if it does hang around ...

This will be an interesting clue as to Warspite1's leanings. He will have had some sort of intel report about the AO's being sighted/hit (assuming my reports have any degree of veracity). However, he will also have had the good damage reports from the Pearl strike. These could tempt him to stay and finish the job. He will be getting advice, hopefully contradictory, from the forum but ultimately the decision is his. In the words of The Clash. "Should I stay or should I go. If I go it will be trouble. If I stay it will be double. So you've got to let me know .... Should I stay or should I go."

You wanna Rock The Casbah before London Calls?

Possibly but first need to boost the CW device pools with The Guns from Brixton.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: AllenK

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: AllenK



Yes, if the KB doesn't hang around Pearl for a day or two of more strikes but retires to the AO's, then things could get tricky. However, if it does hang around ...

This will be an interesting clue as to Warspite1's leanings. He will have had some sort of intel report about the AO's being sighted/hit (assuming my reports have any degree of veracity). However, he will also have had the good damage reports from the Pearl strike. These could tempt him to stay and finish the job. He will be getting advice, hopefully contradictory, from the forum but ultimately the decision is his. In the words of The Clash. "Should I stay or should I go. If I go it will be trouble. If I stay it will be double. So you've got to let me know .... Should I stay or should I go."

You wanna Rock The Casbah before London Calls?

Possibly but first need to boost the CW device pools with The Guns from Brixton.

Or some Spanish Bombs.

[AllenK]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: AllenK

ORIGINAL: Zorch



You wanna Rock The Casbah before London Calls?

Possibly but first need to boost the CW device pools with The Guns from Brixton.

Or some Spanish Bombs.

Yes, plus some Tommy Guns.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: AllenK

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: AllenK




Possibly but first need to boost the CW device pools with The Guns from Brixton.

Or some Spanish Bombs.

Yes, plus some Tommy Guns.

Just don't Train In Vain.