Thought the real Japanese were incompetent? warspite1 (J) vs AllenK (A)

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Zorch

It's been 15 posts since Warspite posted - think we should let him have a word in his own AAR?

Now it's 16. [:'(]

(17) But I thought 'newbies' had to wait until the rest of us posted first?

New rule for all threads: No one can post until all pre-2010 members have posted once.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

It's been 15 posts since Warspite posted - think we should let him have a word in his own AAR?

warspite1

To be fair I think every time I don't post (and someone else does) the quality of the thread increases....

[warspite1]

I think the best thing is for me to simply continue with working through the spreadsheet in the hope of trying to understand what is being achieved here.

So to recap. So far all I've done is to fly off Zuiho's torpedo bombers (to Hiroshima) increased the size of this air unit and set the pilots to training (I've reduced the altitude to 1,000 feet as per advice from BBfanboy). I don't know if I need to swap the pilots for more experienced pilots yet or what, but I'll park that for the moment.

CVL-CVE-CS Unit Resize Plan

So let's continue on....

This time I remember to take a shot of the current air group - Claude from Zuiho - (before any changes are made) so I can (hopefully) better understand what is being achieved here.

[warspite1]

CVL-CVE-CS Unit Resize Plan

5. Select the Size 12 Claude unit, click the "No resize allowed" text once (changes to "Resize to fit ship"), twice (changes back to "No resize allowed"), and then a third time. This opens a text box - enter the number 30 and then click "OK"

6. Disband the Air Combat TF, look at the Claude unit and you'll see the size has changed to "30"

7. Once again create the Air Combat TF containing only CVL Zuiho (undocked) and transfer the now-Size 30 Claude unit to Hiroshima

[warspite1]

CVL-CVE-CS Unit Resize Plan

8. Divide the Claude Unit

[warspite1]

CVL-CVE-CS Unit Resize Plan

So having split the Claude unit as instructed I end up with this:

So the unit has been split into 3 x 10 strength sub units - each with 4 serviceable aircraft (and 1 or 2 in reserve) - and with the 16 pilots split 6/5/5 among the sub units.

[warspite1]

CVL-CVE-CS Unit Resize Plan

8. (cont) upgrade "A" and "C" to Zero (will place 10 Zeros in each subunit)

So if I'm reading this right, there are 28 Zeros in the pool - and I am taking 20 of these for Zuiho A and Zuiho C.

[warspite1]

CVL-CVE-CS Unit Resize Plan

8. (cont) +5 Claudes to "B" (getting it up to full size)

[warspite1]

CVL-CVE-CS Unit Resize Plan

8. (cont) +5 Veteran Pilots each for "A" and "C" (so pilots = airframes). In the meantime, add 5 pilots [to B] with low "50" level skills and train them up)


I assume this is a mistake as the are 6 and 5 pilots in A + C respectively. Kull specifically mentions matching pilots to air frames so I will take 4 and 5 pilots instead. However, when I click on getting a Veteran I see there is only one available??? The pilot goes to fighter reserve.

[warspite1]

CVL-CVE-CS Unit Resize Plan

8. (cont) Set all units to Train: 100-Escort, Alt: 10K, Range: 0 (Note: The "B" Unit is not a training unit. Eventually it will upgrade when enough Zeros are available, and can then swap out with one of the Zuiho Kate sub-units, if desired.


I set the training missions as per the above. I now have 10 pilots in Zuiho B but only 6 (soon to be 7) and 5 pilots in A and C. Hopefully someone can explain why I can't get the veteran pilots that Kull suggests I can (please)? If there simply shouldn't be more than one veteran I will fill out with whatever I can.

[warspite1]

CVL-CVE-CS Unit Resize Plan

9. Create another Air Combat TF containing only CVE Hosho
10. Transfer the Size 6 Jean unit from CVE Hosho to CVL Zuiho

Hosho is also at Hiroshima/Kure and so I go through the same steps as above to create the Task Force, select Air Combat, and place Hosho into the newly created TF. I then select "Transfer to Ship" and click on Zuiho. The Jeans are now stationed on Zuiho.

[warspite1]

CVL-CVE-CS Unit Resize Plan

11. Select the Size 6 Jean unit, click the "No resize allowed" text once (changes to "Resize to fit ship"), twice (changes back to "No resize allowed"), and then a third time. This opens a text box - enter the number 30 and then click "OK"

12. Disband Zuiho's Air Combat TF, look at the Jean unit and you'll see the size has changed to "30"

13. Once again create the Air Combat TF containing only CVL Zuiho (undocked)

14. Transfer the Size 9 Claude unit from CVE Hosho to CVL Zuiho

15. Set training for both Hosho units (now aboard Zuiho): Claude = Train: 100-Escort, Alt: 10K, Range: 0, Jean = Train: 100-Naval Attack, Alt: 8K, Range: 0

16. Disband both Air Combat TFs (Zuiho & Hosho are now back in Port)

[warspite1]

CVL-CVE-CS Unit Resize Plan

Before I carry on I need to re-cap what I've done, why and what the inability to carry out the instructions means for the various units.

[Chickenboy]

Looks like you may be overlooking a crucial step. The reason for breaking your plane groups up is so that you can go back to 'select pilot' menu, toggle that over to 'replacement' and maximize the number of green pilots in your group for training.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Looks like you may be overlooking a crucial step. The reason for breaking your plane groups up is so that you can go back to 'select pilot' menu, toggle that over to 'replacement' and maximize the number of green pilots in your group for training.

warspite1

I am not sure when these units are supposed to go into action but how long does training take? How 'green' is 'green'?

[Bif1961]

Having people who have been on WITP-WITPAE before 2010 implies seniority implies superiority, which is a misconception, at least on my part.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: Bif1961

Having people who have been on WITP-WITPAE before 2010 implies seniority implies superiority, which is a misconception, at least on my part.

Well spoken. Now if only everyone could be so frank and candid...[:D]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Looks like you may be overlooking a crucial step. The reason for breaking your plane groups up is so that you can go back to 'select pilot' menu, toggle that over to 'replacement' and maximize the number of green pilots in your group for training.

warspite1

I am not sure when these units are supposed to go into action but how long does training take? How 'green' is 'green'?

That's a whole 'nuther argument that will take up 6 pages on this AAR. [8|]

But, in general, if the purpose of setting up expanded training groups is to...you know...TRAIN them, then they should be written off as frontline combatants in your mind for some months. These training groups will be the way you take green pilots from your replacement pools, train them in the relevant skills and then-later-put them into your frontline units, usually piecemeal.

The training duration varies by main effort expected. Float planes that will be used exclusively for NavSearch may only need 3 months to be decent. Now if you want to cross-train those float plane pilots in ASW or air-to-air combat, then you can double or triple this number.

A6M fighter pilots that will ONLY be conducting air to air related combat may need only a few months. Kate pilots that will also be expected to be proficient at NavSearch, ASW, NavB and NavT will take the longest of the bunch.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Bif1961

Having people who have been on WITP-WITPAE before 2010 implies seniority implies superiority, which is a misconception, at least on my part.

Good point. Of course, there are examples replete of noobs coming onto the forum and popping off about things that have been 'settled' from the historical point of view as well. Long before they came about and much before they became aware of the historical development of this game, patch impact, arguments ad infinitum pro/con this that and the like.

I'd say that anyone that came on after January 2010 would fit that noob category. [;)]

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Bif1961

Having people who have been on WITP-WITPAE before 2010 implies seniority implies superiority, which is a misconception, at least on my part.

Good point. Of course, there are examples replete of noobs coming onto the forum and popping off about things that have been 'settled' from the historical point of view as well. Long before they came about and much before they became aware of the historical development of this game, patch impact, arguments ad infinitum pro/con this that and the like.

I'd say that anyone that came on after January 2010 would fit that noob category. [;)]

Sunk or scuttled?