Tiger vs T-34. advice need !

Tortfeasor · Post by **Tortfeasor** » Mon Jun 04, 2001 8:01 am

almoust all of my shots that I have fired, went through the front armor of the T-34 from a distans of over 600 meters.
The score is now Ger - Ruski 25 - 4.
So the ods is 6 - 1.
I made two mistakes, otherwise it had been 25 - 2. :p
So, the expensive Tiger costs 169 and the cheap T34-m43 costs 131.
isn`t there something wrong with the pricing, T34-m43 should have a price tag of under 100 points if you are going the use that tank at all.

mogami · Post by **mogami** » Mon Jun 04, 2001 3:06 pm

The cost differance between Tigers and T-34's have been "discussed" in many threads.
They are based strictly on armour/gun/speed ratings and not on how common a tank was. (ver 5.01 is supposed to limit the amount of "rare" tanks I am suprised it let the german spend 5000 points on Tigers) The basic problem is the points you start with. While 5000 versus 5000 appears fair it is not. Had Germany only faced 1-1 odds they would have won the war before the Tiger ever came into production. Taking even points against a German player in meeting engagements is asking for a butt kicking.

Getting a German player to allow more points is tricky unless they realize it also allows them the chance to score an even larger victory. try 15000 soviet T-34 points versus 5000 German Tiger points. (and make map woods/swamp/city any thing but clear. For real agony use Shermans against Tigers (Shermans blow up so much better)
The German Tiger units usally had MK-III/IV assigned as "escorts" to keep the enemy tanks off the Tigers flanks and rear

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achappelle · Post by **achappelle** » Mon Jun 04, 2001 7:26 pm

15k vs 5k, hats a lot of tanks, we're taking Kursk all over again. Of course there's a case where T34s stood up pretty good against the Tigers and Panthers. 700 tanks dead from both sides, and I don't think the ratio was 5 to 1. And that was even before the 85mm D5t or Zis were added to the T34. Tank v tank battles were the exception rather than the norm. You wan to beat Tigers? Use all the weapons at your disposal, art to suppress and blind them, T34s for flank shots, or crawl over them with Tank Desant troops. Don't get into a one on one tank duel, it's a losing formula.

Tortfeasor · Post by **Tortfeasor** » Mon Jun 04, 2001 11:17 pm

I wonder if this strategy game calculates the angel of the armour as genuine as in the real physical world.
I dont know howe to say this but I`l try.

What I am trying to say is that if you have a tank that is exactly as a shoebox with 0 degrees angel on front, rear and side armour.

If you shoot strait at it to the armour (perpendicular), then the bullet would not bounce of because the angel is 0 degrees, but if you shoot at it from little more left (or right) then the bulet would bounce of it because the angel is let say 45 degrees.

I know that this game calculates the vertical angel.

But what about the "horisontal" angel.
I think that when they desinged the Tiger they did concidred that "horisontal" angel effect.

Please help me to be understod.

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lnp4668 · Post by **lnp4668** » Mon Jun 04, 2001 11:56 pm

Have you tried to hide the T34s in crossfire position and wait for the Tigers to come to you? May at least gets a draw if both sides just sit there

Mike Wood · Post by **Mike Wood** » Mon Jun 04, 2001 11:58 pm

Hello...

Yes, the game calculates the horizontal angle as well as the verticle.

Bye...

Michael Wood

Tortfeasor · Post by **Tortfeasor** » Tue Jun 05, 2001 7:56 am

Originally posted by lnp4668:
Have you tried to hide the T34s in crossfire position and wait for the Tigers to come to you? May at least gets a draw if both sides just sit there

Steel is hiding with his two! tanks that he have left.
I gave an oil can to each of his officer and then I meeleed his HQ unit Brrrrrrrrrr.

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mogami · Post by **mogami** » Wed Jun 06, 2001 7:32 am

Originally posted by Aleksandr Morozov:
15k vs 5k, hats a lot of tanks, we're taking Kursk all over again. Of course there's a case where T34s stood up pretty good against the Tigers and Panthers. 700 tanks dead from both sides, and I don't think the ratio was 5 to 1. And that was even before the 85mm D5t or Zis were added to the T34. Tank v tank battles were the exception rather than the norm. You wan to beat Tigers? Use all the weapons at your disposal, art to suppress and blind them, T34s for flank shots, or crawl over them with Tank Desant troops. Don't get into a one on one tank duel, it's a losing formula.

Hi, It would not be Kursk all over again. The thread is a Tiger versus T-34 (no inf/art/air ect 5kvrs5k 34T-34 28 Tiger an easy win for the Tiger. 15k-5k 102 T-34 28 Tiger (he might run out of ammo before he runs out of T-34 targets) But still each Tiger only has to kill 3.6 T-34's well within the realm of possibility (probability)

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Tortfeasor · Post by **Tortfeasor** » Wed Jun 06, 2001 12:52 pm

Now the battle is over, the smoke of burning Russian tanks fills the air, its a wonderful feeling to stand there with the enemy prisoners looking up to my Tigers command cupola, where I am standing, it will be nice to wash my boots in the beach of my ex-enemy, and drink a sixpack or A big cup of black coffee.
The results of my victory`s battle report is following.
Steel`s Russian 831 to Tortfeasor`s Germany 7256 (AFVs lost
37pcs T-34-m43 and 1 abandoned, 202 heroes lost .
4 Tiger lost and 1 abandoned. 29 heroes lost)

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chanman · Post by **chanman** » Wed Jun 06, 2001 8:35 pm

Sorry Steel,

you were beaten before a move was taken. Betcha had to turn the rarity factors off for Tortfeasor to buy 5000 pts of Tigers. Those rarity factors are there for a reason. Just a few Tigers on the field can have a huge impact, as pointed out by a previous poster. 15k points T34 vs 5k points Tiger might be interesting, but I am not predicting a victory here either. Too many previous posters have pointed out strategies for beating Tigers for me to add much value. My main comment is this: In all the years I have been playing SP (SP1, then SPWaW), my only really "successful" Russian long campaign force was infantry heavy with a few KV and plenty of supporting arty. I beat Tigers by suppressing them with arty and then close assaulting them with infantry. By the time the Tigers took the field, my infantry was pretty good, so those tactics were workable. Actually had to use those tactics for any 88mm weapon, towed, SP or Tiger. I believe that AmmoSgt has made similar comments about winning with US.

Chanman