The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_SqzMyLemon_Canoerebel (A)

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

Why not to hit at Kushiro and the North meanwhile

There is nothing to hit except 75k Allied troops in x3 terrain with probably 6-7 forts by now. They ship has sailed.

Does it sound like a good training and firing ground for bombers crews and - possibly - for the big siege guns -provided you can sustain the ammunition ependiture ? Does he keep any air there?

Japan cannot afford to use supply that doesn't generate either positive VPs or create delay. The constraints on Japan are supply and he is fighting for victory points and time.

[Lowpe]

Good luck on the Cruiser bombardment! There is no runway at that base is there?

So, I got to thinking that countering this tactic from the Allies is one of the greatest challenges that any Japanese player faces. To my mind those challenges are:

The Kitchen Sink deep invasion
Fletchers
Night bombing
4E beasts
Lightnings...then Thunderbolts, Corsairs and Spitfires sweeps.
Allied SigInt
Rotating Allied bombardments

Some have been solved pretty much, others are still worrisome, but has anyone stopped dead in their tracks a kitchen sink invasion in 1944 or 1945. Koniu?

Additionally, Why does the juggernaut not send out any offensive missions? IF I had AO and AE to replenish from, I would be sending out 3 ship squadrons of Fletchers looking to hit Japanese shipping. Three destroyers doesn't draw a huge alpha strike from the KB or land based air, and it would be great to set up CAP traps under those agile flak carrying death machines...plus the Japanese might have to struggle to rearm?

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

ORIGINAL: obvert




There is nothing to hit except 75k Allied troops in x3 terrain with probably 6-7 forts by now. They ship has sailed.

Does it sound like a good training and firing ground for bombers crews and - possibly - for the big siege guns -provided you can sustain the ammunition ependiture ? Does he keep any air there?

Japan cannot afford to use supply that doesn't generate either positive VPs or create delay. The constraints on Japan are supply and he is fighting for victory points and time.

The only training bomber crews will get hitting Kushiro, Wakkanai or Toyohara is KP duty in the POW camp if they survive after being riddled by 90mm flak guns. Allied flak makes any hit by the IJAAF 2E very selective and necessarily strategic at this stage of the war.

I had the option to send in 6k AV to one of the Hokkaido bases to try and wrest it (and its VPs) from Allied control, but even two divisions in x3 with some arty, AA and maybe a few tanks and engineers would stymie that Japanese army for months and possibly longer. The Allies could always just reinforce whenever they felt like it with waves of landing craft coming from the Kuriles. I don't have naval assets to stop that and air strikes haven't been targeting the small craft the Allies have sent to Wakkanai for months.

It is the endgame, which has different rules, and actually I'm very pleased with the position I'm in, considering where I've been before at this stage. Its a waiting, delay and strike game where opportunities have to be considered at many levels before taking action. I didn't get the last one right, or my commander botched an opportunity, but it was a minor wound in the grand campaign. There is still time to delay further, and that is the only goal that is viable right now.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

To crack a 2000 plane CAP, you need 4000 fighters escorting ~200 bombers. 4000 fighters => ~110 groups … IJN doesn't have that many, maybe half.


As Eric observed, looks like a fighter heavy DS just to kill his airforce. Until he is in LBA range, there is no air attack that can succeed. Even with LBA, 4000 fighters (1st line, N1K1, A7M, Ki-84) not sure that many exist.

Think we need to look at other options. He has no, or very few bombers. MM suggests: lots of little fleets ... every PB, SC, E, PT, MTB, etc ... and mines ... Maybe?

He doesn't have bombers so naval bombardment is what he is counting on. What about having your SCTF's (whatever is left) ready to hit him AFTER the bombardment before he can replenish?

Don't know ... always tough choices at this point ...

The Allies don't need to change the airframe mix on their carriers to fighter heavy to put a 2k CAP over the DS at this stage of the war.

Carrier air squadron upgrades have already done that for him. At this point fleet CVs have two 36 plane fighter squadrons and two 15 plane bomber squadrons.

In August '45 I can put a 2.5k CAP over my DS.

The 40 or 50 CVEs each adding 21-22 fighters account for a big percentage of the total number.

An assumption he has few or no bombers may not be valid.

40 or 50 CVEs carrying only 9 bombers each still represents a large bomber force even if the CVs and CVLs have been stripped of bombers.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

That is a really nice turn...what is he doing with all those small craft? I guess they are empty, or mostly empty, or do they have supply?

I dislike when the Allies throw troops or material away like that.

That base will be an absolute nightmare for you.

I can't believe you can get away with having all that shipping around. And why are all the subs to the south?

I can't figure out AFBs, that for sure.[:)]

My answer is:

The effort/return on subs is extremely minimal. They suck.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

That is a really nice turn...what is he doing with all those small craft? I guess they are empty, or mostly empty, or do they have supply?

I dislike when the Allies throw troops or material away like that.

That base will be an absolute nightmare for you.

I can't believe you can get away with having all that shipping around. And why are all the subs to the south?

I can't figure out AFBs, that for sure.[:)]

My answer is:

The effort/return on subs is extremely minimal. They suck.

[:D]

[Miller]

To crack a 2000 plane CAP, you need 4000 fighters escorting ~200 bombers. 4000 fighters => ~110 groups … IJN doesn't have that many, maybe half.

Not if the dice rolls go your way:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Saipan at 114,98

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2 Jill x 35
B6N2a Jill x 3
J2M3 Jack x 27
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 38
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 33
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 35
Ki-84a Frank x 44
Ki-100-I Tony x 48

Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 54
Hellcat I x 36
Hellcat F.II x 12
Seafire L.III x 60
Wildcat V x 12
FM-1 Wildcat x 221
FM-2 Wildcat x 744
F6F-3 Hellcat x 654
F6F-5 Hellcat x 84
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 3 destroyed by flak
B6N2a Jill: 1 damaged
J2M3 Jack: 12 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 14 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 9 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 12 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 17 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 21 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Seafire L.III: 1 destroyed
FM-1 Wildcat: 3 destroyed
FM-2 Wildcat: 5 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Gambier Bay
CVE Manila Bay, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Liscome Bay, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
CVE Nehenta Bay, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Kalinin Bay, Torpedo hits 1, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire
CVE White Plains, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Natoma Bay, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
3 x B6N2a Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

[HansBolter]

CVE = Combustible Vulnerable Expendable

Well Done Miller!

[mind_messing]

Keep chipping away. He's got limited ability to rearm and refuel, and no ability to repair damage until he captures somewhere.

No replacement planes once the CVE replenishment squadrons are exhausted as well.

I see you're doing it already, but I've found that ultra-high attacks with good escorts can sometimes draw CAP out of position. If there's an extended dogfight above the 35k mark, it can leave an opening for follow-on strikes.

This turn I'm sending in the CAs to bombard Kume, just taken next to Okinawa, in order to retard any port growth and hit any unloading ships there as well. Secondarily, the CAs will base to Naha t lure any strikes turned on after the devastation last turn. He could try turing on what he has (probably 300 DB/TB on the DS) thinking I'll pull everything back. We'll see.

I wouldn't bombard tbh, better served by keeping the ammo for surface warships to try and sink amphibs. Allied engineers will have Kume reopened very quickly if it's a small base.

Given CR's turtling nature, I'd dismount the DD escorts from the KB and send them to Naha as well (provided you can rearm them at Naha). Keep angles of attack open on all sides.

The next few turns will either be extremely painful or a second Tsushima. Which reminds me, make sure Tsushima stays strongly garrisoned, and start getting troops on railroads to Shanghai in case it's a China landing!

[Alfred]

ORIGINAL: obvert


... He needs a replenishing port and home base at some point soon, and if I can force some combat things might go astray from the big packed mob.

It looks like he's going into the deep North China Sea up near Korea, possibly. That presents some opportunities, but again, this is most likely the entire USN in mid-45. That's like 20 DD TFs, 10 CA/CL TFs, 5 BB TFs, and zillions of DE as well as all of the transports and landing craft that will get in the way. Any move is to break something apart and send some back to a home base listed in the Kuriles...

He already has a port much closer than the Kuriles.

If he has brought the entire mid-1945 USN fleet why would he not have brought a large fleet train as well. That fleet train, which would include AKE, TK, AR, ARD, AD, AV, can be disbanded at the small base he captured in the Ryukus to provide temporary repairs. Add a zillion of naval support squads plus engineers to build up the port/airfield quickly and presto even extensive repairs won't be a daunting task. All close to the battle zone. In the meantime his replenishment task forces can remain on station and quickly pop into the captured port to rearm/refuel.

Leave the Death Star alone. Focus on the recently lost bases which will be soon visited by enemy task forces. Let the DS accompany the invasion fleet, hit the other targets not under the DS umbrella.

Alfred

[Alfred]

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

Keep chipping away. He's got limited ability to rearm and refuel, and no ability to repair damage until he captures somewhere.

No replacement planes once the CVE replenishment squadrons are exhausted as well...

Au contraire. IRL the USN fleet train was massive by mid 1945 and it is equally so in AE if properly set up by the Allied player. "Somewhere" has already been captured, there is therefore no "limited ability to rearm and refuel, and no ability to repair damage". Ditto for the VR squadrons.

The Allied position will be improved once an already fully built up port/airfield is captured but he already has the real estate to tide him over until that developed base is captured.

Alfred

[GetAssista]

ORIGINAL: Miller
To crack a 2000 plane CAP, you need 4000 fighters escorting ~200 bombers. 4000 fighters => ~110 groups … IJN doesn't have that many, maybe half.

Not if the dice rolls go your way:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Saipan at 114,98
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Woah! There is more than dice rolls involved here. I guess some serious altitude mismatch happened, e.g. high CAP could not intercept low Jills? Can you share some more info about this?

Edit: I've found that attack in your AAR against Mr Kane. No additional hints there though on the specifics

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

ORIGINAL: obvert


... He needs a replenishing port and home base at some point soon, and if I can force some combat things might go astray from the big packed mob.

It looks like he's going into the deep North China Sea up near Korea, possibly. That presents some opportunities, but again, this is most likely the entire USN in mid-45. That's like 20 DD TFs, 10 CA/CL TFs, 5 BB TFs, and zillions of DE as well as all of the transports and landing craft that will get in the way. Any move is to break something apart and send some back to a home base listed in the Kuriles...

He already has a port much closer than the Kuriles.

If he has brought the entire mid-1945 USN fleet why would he not have brought a large fleet train as well. That fleet train, which would include AKE, TK, AR, ARD, AD, AV, can be disbanded at the small base he captured in the Ryukus to provide temporary repairs. Add a zillion of naval support squads plus engineers to build up the port/airfield quickly and presto even extensive repairs won't be a daunting task. All close to the battle zone. In the meantime his replenishment task forces can remain on station and quickly pop into the captured port to rearm/refuel.

Leave the Death Star alone. Focus on the recently lost bases which will be soon visited by enemy task forces. Let the DS accompany the invasion fleet, hit the other targets not under the DS umbrella.

Alfred

Sure. If possible that is the goal.

The base captured is without airfield and with a level 1 port. I imagine he'll quickly want more than that. And of course attempt to build it up. Even a few days without support and without a good home base though can be a challenge if he's landing elsewhere soon without knowledge of if he'll take a base quickly.

There are bases he can take quickly, but he could have already had them if he'd wanted them too.

[obvert]

This is what CV air looked like after that turn. Not great, but some surprises, like DB groups that didn't fly at all when a TB group from the same CV did fly. [&:]

Anyway, still a lot to do there. I've just added a bunch of fighters for now since I won't be attacking anything soon.

[obvert]

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An odd turn. The DS has cloaked, and I can't see which hex it's in post replay, but it's probably where the majority of search planes were downed. That is ... Search Ki-49-IIb Helen destroyed by CAP at (92,63)

An I-boat attacked a BB led surface force during the night, which was split from the mob, so he's protecting the edges thinking I might get desperate and Banzai, possibly. I've been doubting my continuation of building more subs into the late war, but this turn they returned on investment. The RO-63 put down one of the damaged LSDs and I-56 blew an LSM into a thousand tiny pieces.

The RO-112 attacked the stricken Kalinin Bay on the surface and most likely got back a few Eps from the previous day's strikes with one torpedo hit and an ammo storage explosion.

Allied subs were busy as well, with Triton sinking two E fro the same ASW TF, the first time I've seen that, but the final boat rocked the USN boat with 21 hits and she's likely done. The VP score: IJN-10 and Allies-6. [:)]

The Allies hit one rearguard ID hard from the air, doing well against the IJ bleeding CAP from Bangkok, and then beat it on the ground. I'm hoping to get it railed out of Bangkok before the Allies shock in. Everything else is away. Feel like the rebels being overrun on Hoth while trying to get the last ships out. If only there was a Death Star I could target with my three best single seat fighters and destroy the Allies for good ... wait. Um. Hmmmm.

Near Georgetown it seems the Allies may be trying to cut the rail with a forward non-base landing. Again. And they've sent a tank regiment forward to cut the North rail from Taiping toward Alor Star. I'm sending all troops from Chumpon down, but it's questionable whether they make it through. The Allies don't have a huge army here yet, so even if they don't, I could employ a fighting retreat to delay things.

On the Home Front, the Allies hit Toyama with a big B-29 strike. For the first time I can recall the bombers arrived before the sweeps, and paid the price. About 25 B-29s hit between CAP and flak on the day, and some Stang escorts also downed. Very nice. The P-47Ns did arrive, and did well today, but again, another good number of them downed. The Tojo factory is 0(30) now, but that is fine. It's an airframe I won't rebuild for, but this factory could be made into something else if I choose. In my current conservation mode that would take some minor success that would obviously lead to big delays for the Allies.
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Submarine attack near Amami Oshima at 97,64

Japanese Ships
SS RO-63

Allied Ships
LSD Shadwell, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage

LSD Shadwell is sighted by SS RO-63
SS RO-63 launches 4 torpedoes

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Submarine attack near Amami Oshima at 97,62

Japanese Ships
SS I-56

Allied Ships
LSM-14, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

LSM-14 is sighted by SS I-56
SS I-56 launches 6 torpedoes at LSM-14

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Sub attack near Kume-jima at 94,64

Japanese Ships
SS RO-112

Allied Ships
CVE Kalinin Bay, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

CVE Kalinin Bay is sighted by SS RO-112
SS RO-112 attacking on the surface
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Kalinin Bay

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Sub attack near Swatow at 80,66

Japanese Ships
E No.7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
E No.64

Allied Ships
SS Triton, hits 21, on fire, heavy damage

SS Triton launches 4 torpedoes at E No.7
E No.64 fails to find sub, continues to search...

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Sub attack near Swatow at 80,66

Japanese Ships
E No.52, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
E No.7
E No.64

Allied Ships
SS Triton

SS Triton launches 6 torpedoes at E No.52
E No.64 fails to find sub, continues to search...

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Morning Air attack on 21st Division, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 19
Ki-84r Frank x 13
Ki-102b Randy x 4

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 4 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt I: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Amami Oshima at 96,61

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 62 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y2 Frances x 5
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 6

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 3
F4U-1A Corsair x 4

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Quality
DD Racehorse

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x P1Y2 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Amami Oshima at 95,61

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 69 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 8
D4Y3 Judy x 18

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 7
F6F-5 Hellcat x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
D4Y3 Judy: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 2 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Heywood Edwards
DD Hart

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 21st Division, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 9

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 8
Spitfire VIII x 12
Wellington Ic x 5
Wellington B.X x 9
A-20G Havoc x 26
B-24J Liberator x 4
B-25D1 Mitchell x 3
B-25J1 Mitchell x 5
B-25J11 Mitchell x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
199 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 21st Division, at 55,61 , near Bangkok

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 7

Allied aircraft
B-25D Mitchell x 4
Hudson I x 6
A-20G Havoc x 14
B-25J1 Mitchell x 10
B-25J11 Mitchell x 3
P-51D Mustang x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 destroyed
A-20G Havoc: 1 destroyed
B-25J11 Mitchell: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
81 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25D Mitchell bombing from 8000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Toyama , at 112,57

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 36 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 2
N1K5-J George x 21
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 49
Ki-84b Frank x 36
Ki-102a Randy x 20

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 38
P-51D Mustang x 74

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 3 destroyed, 12 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed

Ki-44-IIc Tojo factory hits 31

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Toyama , at 112,57

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 2
N1K5-J George x 14
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 41
Ki-84b Frank x 36
Ki-102a Randy x 13

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 3 destroyed, 9 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Toyama , at 112,57

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 60 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 2
N1K5-J George x 5
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 35
Ki-84b Frank x 27
Ki-102a Randy x 5

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 67

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 7 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet *
12 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet *
11 x P-47N Thunderbolt sweeping at 42000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Hakodate at 119,53

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 65 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 23
A7M2 Sam x 4
J2M5 Jack x 1
N1K5-J George x 19
Ki-84r Frank x 23
Ki-100-II Tony x 18

Allied aircraft
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 4 destroyed

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Ground combat at 55,61 (near Bangkok)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 11093 troops, 288 guns, 486 vehicles, Assault Value = 9872

Defending force 10921 troops, 99 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 230

Allied adjusted assault: 189

Japanese adjusted defense: 31

Allied assault odds: 6 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(-), disruption(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
4022 casualties reported
Squads: 67 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 97 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 22 (18 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 7 (5 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
11th (East African) Division
5th Chinese Corps
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
29th British Brigade
3rd Commando Brigade
23rd Indian Division
3rd New Chinese Corps
40th Infantry Division
7th Australian Division
3rd Cavalry Regiment
1st New Chinese Corps
14th Indian Division
754th Tank Battalion
27th Infantry Division
9th Indian Division
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
6th Australian Division
Americal Infantry Division
5th Indian Division
32nd Infantry Division
7th Indian Division
41st Infantry Division
18th British Division
11th Indian Division
19th Motorised Division
9th Australian Division
8th Mahratta AT Gun Regiment
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
8th Medium Regiment
XXXIII Indian Corps
122nd British AT Gun Regiment
Y' Force
86th Medium Regiment
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
134th Medium Regiment

Defending units:
21st Division


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Very odd this CVE wasn't given any escorts. I think there might be enough around.

[obvert]

The air losses are decent, and it's never bad when this many B-29s are hit.

[obvert]

Here is a look at troops railing to Lang Son and walking to Vinh before moving into China. These are the most experienced IJA troops, with some units in the 90s.

I prepped all for Singers as I didn't know which would go that way. I now need to start getting some prep for other big bases in China.

[obvert]

Here are the troops going through Saigon on the way to China.

[Lowpe]

Did you bombard that Island...keeping it from spawning a zillion Pt boats would be nice although I am sure they will come eventually.

Hans maybe correct in that the deathstar isn't set up merely for defense, but I bet that would be it's role until the invasion occurs. What bombers are present are on ASW & navS work?

So many guesses...still can't guess where that kitchen sink is headed to?[&:]

Any more night bombing attacks on the kitchen sink? I have never been successful with those...against a previously undamaged ship.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Did you bombard that Island...keeping it from spawning a zillion Pt boats would be nice although I am sure they will come eventually.

Hans maybe correct in that the deathstar isn't set up merely for defense, but I bet that would be it's role until the invasion occurs. What bombers are present are on ASW & navS work?

So many guesses...still can't guess where that kitchen sink is headed to?[&:]

Any more night bombing attacks on the kitchen sink? I have never been successful with those...against a previously undamaged ship.

Yes. Did I not mention that?

The cruisers went in, and got some hits. I know it won't stop it forever, but he won't have a field tomorrow either.

No night bombing. I've stopped that for now.

He does have some bombers, but he's lost a good 70-80 in just search and ASW losses already. He had virtually no extended search up this turn. Unless something is going on that I don't see he has no DL on the KB or any of the surrounding TFs.

Whatever has happened he is also in range of Wakkanai and could add bombers and/or fighters form over there if depleted as well.
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Night Naval bombardment of Kume-jima at 94,65

Japanese Ships
CA Kumano
CA Mikuma
CA Nachi
CA Myoko
CA Atago

Allied ground losses:
207 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 20 (4 destroyed, 16 disabled)

Port hits 11
Port supply hits 2

CA Kumano firing at 25th Infantry Division
E13A1 Jake acting as spotter for CA Mikuma
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