Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies)

[Lokasenna]

I'm with Mike. You need more divisions there. You need to account for the fact that even though you're killing Chinese units, they're going to respawn in 30 (?) days at 1/3 strength (and no disabled devices among that 1/3).

[Lowpe]

My top plane r&d factories:

1. Frank several are 27 repaired 3 broken
2. Sam
3. Kikka
4. Randy B
5. Grace
6. Patsy
7. Ki115a
8. Frances S (NF)
9. Judy


Fully repaired:
Tojo has 2 factories size 30 working on getting IIC; Jack has 3 30, George 2 30, A6M8 2 size 30.

Nothing else has more than 1 size 30 working on it.

In hindsight, I kind of wished I put all those Jack and George squadrons into Sam instead which would have made it number 1.

[Lowpe]

Put two more torpedoes into another American sub.

[Lowpe]

The following day's bombardment of Chungking:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 9642 troops, 698 guns, 616 vehicles, Assault Value = 2660

Defending force 249744 troops, 430 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4431

Allied ground losses:
1740 casualties reported
Squads: 102 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 10 (8 destroyed, 2 disabled)

[Lowpe]

Nov 22, 1942

Bombard Adak, sweep mines, lose an AMc, sink 4 SC, and get an enormous amount of hits on American subs as I let loose the KB planes on subs. The bombardment force sinks 3 of the SC while Jakes clean up the last damaged one.

Night Naval bombardment of Adak Island at 162,52

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-5A Catalina: 16 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 16 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 3 destroyed on ground
F4F-3P Wildcat: 2 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 1 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed on ground

Japanese Ships
BB Ise
BB Fuso
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
CA Chokai
CA Takao

Allied Ships
AO Sepulga, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Guardfish, hits 1
AO Tippecanoe, Shell hits 1, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
1160 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 39 destroyed, 67 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 24 (3 destroyed, 21 disabled)
Vehicles lost 22 (8 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 31
Port hits 4

BB Ise firing at Adak Island
F1M2 Pete acting as spotter for BB Fuso
BB Fuso firing at 25th Infantry Division
CA Kinugasa firing at 25th Infantry Division
CA Aoba firing at Adak Island
CA Chokai firing at Adak Island
F1M2 Pete acting as spotter for CA Takao
CA Takao firing at Adak Island

[Lowpe]

Chungking is being devastated. Allies are night bombing now in the central Chungking plains.

Elsewhere: 2nd Division lands safely at Colombo. Other reinforcements make Koggla, so I think Ceylon is safe for now.

[Lowpe]

Nov 23, 1942

Chungking...

Allies back to night bombing, lost several fighters to it. In december I get the best non night fighter there is, the Dinah fighter. Plan on making a 1-3 squadrons of them.

Seems to me the Americans have given up trying to defend Adak.

[Bif1961]

When the Chinese are standing shoulder to shoulder in the trenchs around Chungking they do die easily in artillery attacks.

[GetAssista]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Nov 23, 1942

Chungking...

Hey, just keep on bombarding [:D] You don't really need taking CK - it's beginning to look a lot like a VP factory of epic proportions

[Lowpe]

Nov 24, 1942

Allies surge 2 destroyers and a SC forward, we sink one DD and Jakes sink the SC.

Ceylon all quiet, splash some sweeping Hurricanes over Cox's on the Burma front.

[Lowpe]

The Chungking bombardment. In addition Nicks and Oscars are bombing. Took the last of the three cities west of Changsha today, and all join the Empire with undamaged factories.

A day before the Chungking attack, the AV was listed at over 5300 for the Chinese.

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 9642 troops, 698 guns, 616 vehicles, Assault Value = 1628

Defending force 244208 troops, 405 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4145

Allied ground losses:
1830 casualties reported
Squads: 104 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Nov 23, 1942

Chungking...

Hey, just keep on bombarding [:D] You don't really need taking CK - it's beginning to look a lot like a VP factory of epic proportions

A bit gamey, upgrading some tank regiments at Neikiang while the infantry rests and sips sake.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Bif1961

When the Chinese are standing shoulder to shoulder in the trenchs around Chungking they do die easily in artillery attacks.

They are starving which causes the initial disablement, and the attack & aerial bombing make more disabled, and then the heavy artillery kills.

Never have I amassed such a concentration of artillery.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Nov 23, 1942

Chungking...

Hey, just keep on bombarding [:D] You don't really need taking CK - it's beginning to look a lot like a VP factory of epic proportions

A bit gamey, upgrading some tank regiments at Neikiang while the infantry rests and sips sake.

I don't know. I was just thinking the same thing. I mean, what is more gamey than the Japanese being able to take all of China and have no Chinese troops in China at all?

If you did just keep it up, as units respawned it would probably get to some kind of equilibrium. Right now it looks like 15-20 VPs a day (assuming you aren't losing any devices). Imagine if it settled down to even 10 VPs a day. Those are permanent, and at 300/month, 3,600/year, and several years to go. It would be much more lucrative for the end game to just sit and keep bombarding.

Of course you'd then never get the Chungking industry and yo'd be using a lot of supply to keep bombarding and bombing for years. Something to ponder though. Or, and this is a really interesting idea, but I think you've already taken it. Keep this up for a good long while until troops are ready to capitulate. Take Chungking, but let them have Chegtu to respawn in and start over there with a bombardment routine. [;)]

[GetAssista]

ORIGINAL: obvert
If you did just keep it up, as units respawned it would probably get to some kind of equilibrium. Right now it looks like 15-20 VPs a day (assuming you aren't losing any devices). Imagine if it settled down to even 10 VPs a day. Those are permanent, and at 300/month, 3,600/year, and several years to go. It would be much more lucrative for the end game to just sit and keep bombarding.

It should be more than that a day since hunger also plays a part.

Lowpe, can you share the recent history of Allied LCU points lost? There is no significant fighting going to meddle with CK stats apart from occasional Aleutean slaughter, and the latter can be filtered out. It is really interesting what kind of stream of VPs CK bombardment gets you

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: GetAssista


Hey, just keep on bombarding [:D] You don't really need taking CK - it's beginning to look a lot like a VP factory of epic proportions

A bit gamey, upgrading some tank regiments at Neikiang while the infantry rests and sips sake.

I don't know. I was just thinking the same thing. I mean, what is more gamey than the Japanese being able to take all of China and have no Chinese troops in China at all?

If you did just keep it up, as units respawned it would probably get to some kind of equilibrium. Right now it looks like 15-20 VPs a day (assuming you aren't losing any devices). Imagine if it settled down to even 10 VPs a day. Those are permanent, and at 300/month, 3,600/year, and several years to go. It would be much more lucrative for the end game to just sit and keep bombarding.

Of course you'd then never get the Chungking industry and yo'd be using a lot of supply to keep bombarding and bombing for years. Something to ponder though. Or, and this is a really interesting idea, but I think you've already taken it. Keep this up for a good long while until troops are ready to capitulate. Take Chungking, but let them have Chegtu to respawn in and start over there with a bombardment routine. [;)]

That's a huge supply and opportunity cost investment, though, as you mention. The Chinese units that respawn, assuming about 500 devices, are only worth about 40 additional VPs. I'd rather have the base and gamble that I keep it for long enough for the huge base VPs to matter.

And be able to use that artillery elsewhere.

[Lowpe]

Nov 25, 1942

Bombard Adak

Night Naval bombardment of Adak Island at 162,52 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-5 Catalina: 27 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground
PBY-5A Catalina: 32 damaged
PBY-5A Catalina: 1 destroyed on ground
F4F-3P Wildcat: 1 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Ise
BB Fuso
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei
BB Haruna
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
CA Chokai
CA Takao

Allied Ships
SS S-31, hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Guardfish, hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Sargo, hits 2, on fire
ACM General Hayden, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
715 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 31 destroyed, 59 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 34 (10 destroyed, 24 disabled)
Vehicles lost 28 (9 destroyed, 19 disabled)

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 45
Port hits 13

BB Ise firing at 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment
57th Coastal Artillery Regiment firing at BB Ise
F1M2 Pete acting as spotter for BB Fuso
BB Fuso firing at Adak Island
BB Kirishima firing at Adak Island
F1M2 Pete acting as spotter for BB Hiei
BB Hiei firing at 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment
BB Haruna firing at Adak Island
CA Kinugasa firing at Adak Island
CA Aoba firing at Adak Island
CA Chokai firing at 25th Infantry Division
CA Takao firing at Adak Island
Massive explosion on SS S-31

[Lowpe]

Chungking bombardment

I think we have realized all the fruit from the last attack

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 9642 troops, 698 guns, 616 vehicles, Assault Value = 1767

Defending force 243118 troops, 400 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4044

Allied ground losses:
1556 casualties reported
Squads: 59 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 9 (8 destroyed, 1 disabled)

[Lowpe]

The supply and opportunity costs are simply too high to attempt to farm Chinese troops losses and respawns.

[Lowpe]

Nov 26, 1942

Obligatory Adak bombardment. Haven't run into any mines lately.[:)] Only one ships left in port.

Night Naval bombardment of Adak Island at 162,52 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-5A Catalina: 24 damaged
PBY-5A Catalina: 2 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 29 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 2 destroyed on ground
P-40E Warhawk: 2 damaged

3 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
BB Ise
BB Fuso
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei
BB Haruna
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
CA Chokai
CA Takao

Allied Ships
SS Guardfish, hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Sargo, hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS S-31, hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
ACM Colonel Niles, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AO Tippecanoe, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
ACM General Hayden, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Meade, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
697 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 62 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 37 (7 destroyed, 30 disabled)
Vehicles lost 35 (13 destroyed, 22 disabled)

Airbase hits 22
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 71
Port hits 7
Port fuel hits 1

BB Ise firing at Adak Island
BB Fuso firing at Adak Island
BB Kirishima firing at Adak Island
F1M2 Pete acting as spotter for BB Hiei
BB Hiei firing at 25th Infantry Division
BB Haruna firing at Adak Island
CA Kinugasa firing at Adak Island
CA Aoba firing at 25th Infantry Division
CA Chokai firing at 276th Coastal Artillery Battalion
276th Coastal Artillery Battalion firing at CA Chokai
CA Takao firing at Adak Island