Lowpe (Japan) vs Wargamr (Allies)

[Uncivil Engineer]

Yeah, that's nothing - I can remember in the early 60's we had to put sweaters on in Miami when it got below 70!!

[RangerJoe]

When I was in a nursing home for awhile (I had gotten very ill) I would go outside and visit with the people smoking. It was in the 20s F, snowing slightly but out of the wind, and I was dressed in a T-shirt, shorts, socks, and boots. The ladies would say "put a jacket on, you're making me cold!) But I was warm - of course, I have lots of natural insulation!

[Lowpe]

Dec 3, 1942

My run silent, run deep strategy writ large...there is a glen equipped Iboat also in hex patrolling, with the glen on nigh naval search.

I like to have 45 ASW points here, and I am 1-2 short.

2 VP tanker is bait.

[Lowpe]

Quiet day...

Chungking continues to lose strength.

[Lowpe]

These are the most heavily damaged troops from Chungking. They are resting, with two HQs to provide support, one hex west of Chungking.

With forts 5, we will most likely rest 3 more days, and 2 days to march back in (recombining on the 2nd day) and attack on the sixth.

I will look to accelerate the rate of attacks as the forts decline in strength.

I have managed to avoid shattering any IJA units, which will hopefully increase the speed of conquest, but sadly won't let me buy out any divisions on the cheap.

[Encircled]

Regarding the weather, when I was in the army cadets I was camping on Dartmoor and woke up to sleet in June. Which is pretty bad for the UK.

[RangerJoe]

Time to buy out trashed units . . .

Wouldn't the trashed units recover more quickly with the HQs when all are in a well supplied Base?

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Lowpe




A bit gamey, upgrading some tank regiments at Neikiang while the infantry rests and sips sake.

I don't know. I was just thinking the same thing. I mean, what is more gamey than the Japanese being able to take all of China and have no Chinese troops in China at all?

If you did just keep it up, as units respawned it would probably get to some kind of equilibrium. Right now it looks like 15-20 VPs a day (assuming you aren't losing any devices). Imagine if it settled down to even 10 VPs a day. Those are permanent, and at 300/month, 3,600/year, and several years to go. It would be much more lucrative for the end game to just sit and keep bombarding.

Of course you'd then never get the Chungking industry and yo'd be using a lot of supply to keep bombarding and bombing for years. Something to ponder though. Or, and this is a really interesting idea, but I think you've already taken it. Keep this up for a good long while until troops are ready to capitulate. Take Chungking, but let them have Chegtu to respawn in and start over there with a bombardment routine. [;)]

That's a huge supply and opportunity cost investment, though, as you mention. The Chinese units that respawn, assuming about 500 devices, are only worth about 40 additional VPs. I'd rather have the base and gamble that I keep it for long enough for the huge base VPs to matter.

And be able to use that artillery elsewhere.

Same here. Take Chungking and put the Chinese out of the war. Lots of high experience infantry units that you can buy out and put in level 6-9 fort islands and watch the Allied player cry when he invades them.

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

I fondly remember it frequently being -30 F on Christmas eve . . .

I understand that at Sault Sainte Marie that people would sometimes have to get out of the second story window to shovel the snow. Think if you lived in a one story house . . .

A friend of mine moved to Scottsdale, Arizona, from Sault Saint Marie. I wonder why . . .

One time, the city crew in my hometown was clearing the snow from the streets, the grader with the wing out decided to take the roof off a car parked on the side of the street.

One time, I understand that Duluth, Minnesota, only had 36 inches of snow for Halloween. The snow did not melt until the next spring. I also understand that the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources let people use snowmobiles to get the their deer stands for deer hunting season.

A couple of times in Texas, the Army cancelled the day because there was an inch and a half of snow on the ground. That was rough on a Friday morning . . . [:D]

I was in an extreme cold weather unit for 4-5 years (Capstone mission was the Aleutians [X(]). We used to go to the field in the winter to practice freezing. That was before we had all that nice gortex gear. Just a field jacket...

[RangerJoe]

A field jacket with a liner is great. I heard that nylons are very warm. I understand that the NFL football players wear king size panty hose . . .

I believe that an airbase on Shemya Island is used to having 60 mph breezes on the runway. Just think if you were flying in a plane with a low stall speed. You could just land without using much runway.

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

A field jacket with a liner is great. I heard that nylons are very warm. I understand that the NFL football players wear king size panty hose . . .

I believe that an airbase on Shemya Island is used to having 60 mph breezes on the runway. Just think if you were flying in a plane with a low stall speed. You could just land without using much runway.

Yep, I still have my field jacket & liner. I use it to shovel snow. That part wasn't too bad. The leather work gloves and the old leather boots made for a miserable time. An intermediate sleeping bag didn't really help at all. [:D] My last deployment was to the desert in the Middle East. I loved 130F heat there!

[RangerJoe]

Yep, I still have my field jacket & liner. I use it to shovel snow.

You never washed it and it got that stiff?

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Yep, I still have my field jacket & liner. I use it to shovel snow.

You never washed it and it got that stiff?

[:D][:D][:D]

[PaxMondo]

Back home, 9000ft, I think it was Freshman year for me … we had a week of -50. Lowest was one morning, -68 at the bus stop. I do believe the bus was late that day. Anyway ….

Now the cool thing about -50 is that when you spit, it bounces. But -68, when you spit, it pops before it can hit the ground. Yep, that what we did for fun, popped spit. Kids these days, they have no idea. [;)]

[RangerJoe]

The air temperature usually decreases 3 F for every 1000 feet. If it is moisture added (clouds/fog form) then it is -1 F. On the other side, after losing the moisture, it increases 5 F for every 1000 foot drop. That is why on the windward side of the mountains, you can get a warm wind - even during the winter.

When it got that -60 F, people were throwing buckets of hot water in the air. The water was frozen when it hit the ground. Some people even camped in tents/shelters outside in that weather.

But can you guess what U.S. state has the most days when it snows during the year? On average, it snows 200 days a year in that state.

[Uncivil Engineer]

Has this game started yet? Or has this thread become the Weather Channel? Just asking.

[Bif1961]

HI

[Lowpe]

Dec 4th, 1942

The run silent run deep puts good hits on another sub. Bombardment group has to wade thru Allied subs.

ASW attack near Adak Island at 162,52

Japanese Ships
DD Yugumo
TB Kasasagi
DD Sanae
DD Oite

Allied Ships
SS Perch

SS Perch is sighted by escort
Perch bottoming out ....
DD Sanae fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Oite fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Oite fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Oite fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Oite fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Oite fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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ASW attack near Adak Island at 162,52

Japanese Ships
DD Matsukaze
DD Yugumo
TB Kasasagi
DD Sanae
DD Oite

Allied Ships
SS Sealion, hits 3

SS Sealion launches 4 torpedoes at DD Matsukaze
Sealion bottoming out ....
DD Sanae fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Oite fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Sanae fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Oite fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Oite fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Oite fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Oite fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Oite attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub


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ASW attack near Adak Island at 161,52

Japanese Ships
PB Tosho Maru
PB Shinko Maru #2
SC Ch 39
TK Nissho Maru
PB Bisaku Maru
PB Taijin Maru
PB Hokuyo Maru
PB Takunan Maru

Allied Ships
SS S-46

SS S-46 is sighted by escort
S-46 bottoming out ....
PB Bisaku Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Taijin Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Hokuyo Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Takunan Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Hokuyo Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Hokuyo Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Hokuyo Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Hokuyo Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Hokuyo Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Hokuyo Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Hokuyo Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Night Naval bombardment of Adak Island at 162,52 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese Ships
BB Ise
BB Fuso

Allied Ships
SS S-45, hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage (two ships showing up back in port, both AO).

Allied ground losses:
156 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 12 (7 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1

BB Ise firing at Adak Island
F1M2 Pete acting as spotter for BB Fuso
BB Fuso firing at 57th Coastal Artillery Regiment
57th Coastal Artillery Regiment firing at BB Fuso


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ASW attack near Adak Island at 161,52

Japanese Ships
PB Tosho Maru
SC Ch 39
TK Nissho Maru
PB Bisaku Maru
PB Taijin Maru
PB Hokuyo Maru
PB Takunan Maru

Allied Ships
SS S-46, hits 2, heavy damage (direct hits)

SS S-46 is sighted by escort
S-46 bottoming out ....
PB Bisaku Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Taijin Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Hokuyo Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Takunan Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Bisaku Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Bisaku Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Bisaku Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Bisaku Maru attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub


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ASW attack near Adak Island at 161,52

Japanese Ships
TB Kasasagi
DD Yugumo
DD Sanae
DD Oite

Allied Ships
SS Grayback

SS Grayback launches 4 torpedoes at TB Kasasagi
Grayback bottoming out ....
DD Sanae fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Oite fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

[Lowpe]

Aerial attacks on Chungking:

Morning Air attack on 49th Chinese Division, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 25
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 12
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 38

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
581 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
31 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
25 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
2 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 28th New Chinese Division ...
Also attacking China Command ...
Also attacking CAF HQ ...
Also attacking 28th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 40th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 1st Chinese Base Force ...
Also attacking 3rd New Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 49th Chinese Division ...
Also attacking 28th New Chinese Division ...
Also attacking China Command ...
Also attacking CAF HQ ...
Also attacking 28th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 28th New Chinese Division ...


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Morning Air attack on 49th Chinese Division, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 25
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
182 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
13 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 14th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 68th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 49th Chinese Division ...
Also attacking 14th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 68th Chinese Corps ...


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Morning Air attack on 60th Chinese Corps, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 9
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 22
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
382 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 33 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 34 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
19 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
10 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 77th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 90th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 91st Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 32nd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 80th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 77th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 60th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 77th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 90th Chinese Corps ...


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Morning Air attack on 60th Chinese Corps, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 2 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
148 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 28th New Chinese Division, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 22

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
178 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 14th Chinese Corps, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
78 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 45th Chinese Corps, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
160 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 45th Chinese Corps, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 22

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
252 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 99th Chinese Corps, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 99th Chinese Corps, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
85 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 7000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on 28th Chinese Corps, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 19

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
172 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on 28th Chinese Corps, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Ki-43-IIa Oscar bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

[Lowpe]

Ground bombardment of Chungking:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 9630 troops, 698 guns, 616 vehicles, Assault Value = 1998

Defending force 207369 troops, 301 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2490

Allied ground losses:
1763 casualties reported
Squads: 72 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 21 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)