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I'm now the proud owner of over 1000 of these heaps of sh ite.

The plan is to send them in en masse before my proper bombers in the hope the entire USN runs out of .50 cal ammo in shooting them all down. Hey, you never know.....

With your PP one option is to convert to FB and then to F, turn them to kamis and use them for CAP. [;)]

Don't think I can do that with PDU off?

Ahh. Maybe not. The upgrade for those is LB I guess so just the kami planes.
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13th-20th June 45

A relatively quiet period considering the date. His cripples continue their slow crawl back to Guam pursued by my subs that achieve nothing other than being damaged or sunk. I try a cheeky high speed raid by my three operational CVs and at extreme range they sink a couple of damaged APAs containing by the looks of it at least a full division and a few DDs before I send them back home for fear of reprisals from his (at a guess) 12 or so undamaged CVs at Guam. The British CV Implacable is confirmed sunk by intel, hopefully at least one more went down as well.

In China He does another deliberate attack at Hankow which knocks the fort down to 2 and due to lack of supply my adjusted AV falls alarmingly:

Ground combat at Hankow (85,50)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 233604 troops, 2657 guns, 3050 vehicles, Assault Value = 9119

Defending force 145168 troops, 1327 guns, 642 vehicles, Assault Value = 4357

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 3370

Japanese adjusted defense: 12109

Allied assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
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Japanese ground losses:
4296 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 444 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 73 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 83 disabled
Guns lost 111 (5 destroyed, 106 disabled)
Vehicles lost 26 (6 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
11478 casualties reported
Squads: 79 destroyed, 613 disabled
Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 275 disabled
Engineers: 18 destroyed, 284 disabled
Guns lost 214 (7 destroyed, 207 disabled)
Vehicles lost 186 (16 destroyed, 170 disabled)

Looks like I've got maybe a couple of weeks here before I'm kicked out. I've toyed with the idea of sending a kamikaze supply TF consisting of AKLs to try and get some supply through but such is his crushing air supremacy I doubt any would survive the trip. Maybe use single ship TFs?

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I'm now the proud owner of over 1000 of these heaps of sh ite.



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The plan is to send them in en masse before my proper bombers in the hope the entire USN runs out of .50 cal ammo in shooting them all down. Hey, you never know.....


Am at the end of September '45 and have been surprised by the plethora of kamikaze bi-planes that have been thrown at me.
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Looks like I've got maybe a couple of weeks here before I'm kicked out. I've toyed with the idea of sending a kamikaze supply TF consisting of AKLs to try and get some supply through but such is his crushing air supremacy I doubt any would survive the trip. Maybe use single ship TFs?


I don't think it's worth the expenditure in supply. You'll never build a stockpile as it will be bombed away, even assuming it does get in.

Air transport, perhaps, if you can be sure it won't be intercepted. However, I think it's best to cut your losses and save the supply.

The x3 bonus from Hankow's urban heavy terrain isn't going away. Unsupplied units perform at 25% peak effectiveness. The x4 (!!!) terrain bonus goes a long way to make up for the lack of supply.

However, I'd suggest using it as bait for a trap. An expendable string of empty, low-value PB/xAKL's with heavy LRCAP over it moving down the Yangtze should generate an Allied response. If the Allies use naval assets, a few kami squadrons on hand might get a shot at flying into DD's without much Allied CAP around...

Keep fighting!

As a side note, was down your part of the country a few weeks back. The time I spent on the LNER was the closet I've ever came to jetlag without flying ever! Good views from York northwards made up for it, however!
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Looks like I've got maybe a couple of weeks here before I'm kicked out. I've toyed with the idea of sending a kamikaze supply TF consisting of AKLs to try and get some supply through but such is his crushing air supremacy I doubt any would survive the trip. Maybe use single ship TFs?


I don't think it's worth the expenditure in supply. You'll never build a stockpile as it will be bombed away, even assuming it does get in.

Air transport, perhaps, if you can be sure it won't be intercepted. However, I think it's best to cut your losses and save the supply.

The x3 bonus from Hankow's urban heavy terrain isn't going away. Unsupplied units perform at 25% peak effectiveness. The x4 (!!!) terrain bonus goes a long way to make up for the lack of supply.

However, I'd suggest using it as bait for a trap. An expendable string of empty, low-value PB/xAKL's with heavy LRCAP over it moving down the Yangtze should generate an Allied response. If the Allies use naval assets, a few kami squadrons on hand might get a shot at flying into DD's without much Allied CAP around...

Keep fighting!

As a side note, was down your part of the country a few weeks back. The time I spent on the LNER was the closet I've ever came to jetlag without flying ever! Good views from York northwards made up for it, however!

Hello MM, valid points as always. Still plenty of supply in the homeland but getting it anywhere else is proving very difficult now.

Yes, we have some good beaches and castles on the Northumberland coast if you ever make it that far north.
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21st-30th June 45

Not a lot to report. I finally manage to take a bite out of one of his big daytime B29 raids of over Nagasaki before his sweepers arrive, at least 50 go down and I manage to trade 1:1 in fighters for a change:



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He then switches them to night time port bombing, trying to finish off my cripples from the recent Okinawa actions. They further damage a few cruisers but over the course of three nights he loses another 50 to NF and flak/ops. Of course I lose more NF in return but I still have plenty left in the pools.

The last few days of this period his death star sorties and hangs around Iwo Jima covering his DMS fleets sweeping the mines there, but not before 4 or 5 are sunk by CD guns in the process. The majority of my fleet is in TFs at Tokyo sitting under 1000 fighters, although I doubt he would dare try and move his DS within strike range of the homeland as he knows even a 2000 plane CAP may not be enough to repel any large counter strike by my LBA.
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Those are some decent flak numbers for B29s. What was it that brought them down, and what altitude were they flying at?
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Looks like your air war has changed with the arrival of the Frank Ki-84r. [;)]
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The Boeing factories are going to have to add another shift if you keep shooting them down like that.
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Those are some decent flak numbers for B29s. What was it that brought them down, and what altitude were they flying at?

I think most of the flak kills were ones already damaged by the fighters. He usually flys his B29s at 15-20kft.
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Looks like your air war has changed with the arrival of the Frank Ki-84r. [;)]

We have a limit of 35k feet for sweep/CAP in 1945 so I just decided to put my best fighters at that altitude. I think the layered CAP you have advocated works when the opposing planes and pilots are of similar quality but in this game my pilots are on average 10 exp lower than his and were still taking heavy losses when flying at the 5/7/9k alt bands you mentioned. I'm still losing but now at 2-3 to 1 instead of 5-10 to 1. I have also taken a lot of time to make sure the best pilots are in the best planes. I was horrified to find a load of 80 exp pilots still flying the Zero and swapped them out for rookies instead.

I've bought back all the fighter air groups from my sunk CVs and will be resizing them to 72 plane Sam groups with all my best pilots, that should make a dent in his sweepers hopefully.....
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The Boeing factories are going to have to add another shift if you keep shooting them down like that.

Well according to intel I have shot down about 800 (so probably 600 in reality), so he still has over 1000 in play at the moment. At least 500 visit Hankow on a daily basis.
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Unacceptable loss rates for bombing missions in the ETO was 10%, acceptable was under 5%. If he has lost around 33% of those currently available so far, that doesn't bode well for him.
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60 B-29's lost in ONE DAY! [X(]

Ay caramba!

I bet he is not in a hurry to see the "Miller Report"
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Looks like your air war has changed with the arrival of the Frank Ki-84r. [;)]

We have a limit of 35k feet for sweep/CAP in 1945 so I just decided to put my best fighters at that altitude. I think the layered CAP you have advocated works when the opposing planes and pilots are of similar quality but in this game my pilots are on average 10 exp lower than his and were still taking heavy losses when flying at the 5/7/9k alt bands you mentioned. I'm still losing but now at 2-3 to 1 instead of 5-10 to 1. I have also taken a lot of time to make sure the best pilots are in the best planes. I was horrified to find a load of 80 exp pilots still flying the Zero and swapped them out for rookies instead.

I've bought back all the fighter air groups from my sunk CVs and will be resizing them to 72 plane Sam groups with all my best pilots, that should make a dent in his sweepers hopefully.....

I didn't realise you had an altitude limit. That changes a lot. I would not fly the low CAP if we had a 35k limit because ...

1. When you set CAP to 35k and have some decent radar in hex, your CAP will climb above sweepers coming in and dive. Huge advantage.

2. All of your best airframes can reach 35k, and he has no altitude advantage in sweeps, ever. The low CAP is only useful to combat high altitude sweeps where you can't match those max altitudes.

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1st-15th July 45

China: I manage to sneak a few FT TFs up river to Hankow and drop off about 30k of supply. Just in time before his next deliberate attack:



Ground combat at Hankow (85,50)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 252581 troops, 2742 guns, 3070 vehicles, Assault Value = 10228

Defending force 188437 troops, 1645 guns, 586 vehicles, Assault Value = 5830

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Allied adjusted assault: 2984

Japanese adjusted defense: 32645

Allied assault odds: 1 to 10 (fort level 1)

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Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3205 casualties reported
Squads: 106 destroyed, 596 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 126 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 51 disabled
Guns lost 178 (14 destroyed, 164 disabled)
Vehicles lost 40 (2 destroyed, 38 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
34005 casualties reported
Squads: 420 destroyed, 3371 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 352 disabled
Engineers: 16 destroyed, 270 disabled
Guns lost 213 (5 destroyed, 208 disabled)
Vehicles lost 201 (11 destroyed, 190 disabled)

Forts now down to one but once again he takes a beating in terms of losses. Unfortunately he realised I was getting supply up river and now has flooded it with PT boat TFs and low flying bombers, so that avenue is now cut off. He continues to pound it daily with hundreds of B24s and B29s and I have no supply left, although the ground units are still at 60-70% of required supply, so it looks like I can hold here for at least a few weeks more. Meanwhile his 2E bombers concentrate mainly on Changsha but he has not tried a ground attack there for at least a month.


Luzon: The end is nigh at Clark, fort is down to 2 and he has 10k AV to my 1K. I'm busy marching the troops slowly to Bataan for the last stand but I think they will be kicked out of Clark before they can complete the march. As with Hankow, Clark is bombed daily by hundreds of bombers of all types and supply is all gone.


Iwo Jima: His death star has been circling the island for the past fortnight and blasting it every day in an effort to force me out of supply, along with bombardments from TFs containing up to 10 BBs. His latest ground attack was on the 15th:

Ground combat at Iwo-jima (108,77)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 34944 troops, 618 guns, 935 vehicles, Assault Value = 1386

Defending force 25077 troops, 331 guns, 162 vehicles, Assault Value = 479

Allied adjusted assault: 600

Japanese adjusted defense: 631

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2255 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 103 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 70 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 85 disabled
Guns lost 52 (10 destroyed, 42 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
7420 casualties reported
Squads: 267 destroyed, 269 disabled
Non Combat: 63 destroyed, 174 disabled
Engineers: 27 destroyed, 62 disabled
Guns lost 188 (54 destroyed, 134 disabled)
Vehicles lost 249 (89 destroyed, 160 disabled

Still at 6 forts and he loses almost half his available AV in the attack. I'm hopeful of sneaking in another supply convoy when (if) his death star finally retires to replenish....
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Well with only a month to go before the commies join in I finally started to look at the situation in Manchuria. My first job was to ship in some fuel to restart the industry there as I had totally neglected it and virtually every base was low on supply. I lost a big TK convoy in the process to low flying bombers from China but fortunately after they had already unloaded, the Yellow Sea is a no go area for my ships now.

Secondly, I have scraped together every unrestricted infantry and eng unit in the homeland and sent them to Rashin on the southern coast of Manchuria for redeployment. In total I have 16k AV to play with (including units in Korea). Any tips on how/where to defend? I don't see any reason to defend beyond the red line on the the map apart from small speed bump forces:



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The weak point in your line is the clear hex at Chinchow - that is where I would attack if I was him. Breaking the rail communication between regions is huge.
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Paul, you are punishing Mr. Kane even as the Allies inflict punishment of their own. Post a points screen when you can. I like following your games for many reasons, one of which is that you're just ahead of me and Erik (you caught and passed us), and it's interesting to compare the relative situations.
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The weak point in your line is the clear hex at Chinchow - that is where I would attack if I was him. Breaking the rail communication between regions is huge.

That's a great spot BBfanboy and one I would have overlooked. Four rail lines converge at that spot. I will certainly be looking to reinforce it now!
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