A request

[witpaemail]

The carrier that appears in Bristol in Jun 40, any chance of allowing that to be deployed at any port?

Recent game (1.16). Axis player bombs the French army every turn. No flights over England at all. He had a maritime bomber deployed near Hamburg up until the turn the carrier arrives. Then suddenly fighter sweeps over England and the maritime bomber just happens to be in range of the carrier (I mean there are only 2 hexes it COULD be in so not hard to figure that out. He didnt sink it, but it was heavily damaged.

He also killed all the units around Paris (4 of them) and ran around the city not capturing it.

Too much gamey play for my tastes, so I quit on the spot. But the biggest was the carrier. Why isnt it free to deploy in any port?

Oh, and kudos for toning down the U boats.

[PvtBenjamin]

You may want to consider researching AA in the first two turns as UK. By June '40 it will be very likely UK will have lv 2 AA. Purchase AA's early upgrade Bristol port to lv 2 and place lv 2 AA next to it. That'll learn 'em.

You are correct the Paris move is BS but thats the game. I would imagine your opponent is either trying to gain experience by destroying all your troops or a coordinated effort to take Paris & Algiers at the same time.

Try to get French troops to GB if possible, you then have a 20% (I think its 20) that the French troops stay with you. If you cant retreat the troops disband all French troops that aren't adjacent to an Axis troop. Certainly make sure he cant destroy high exp troops like HQs.

Always make sure an early amphib Algiers assault isn't possible before France falls.

Agreed on the subs, much better.

hope that helps

[witpaemail]

The point isnt that it was damaged or sunk. The point is the TURN IT ARRIVED is when he hit it. Why? Because he knew when and where it would be. I dont care if I have a level 5 AA in Jun 40, the point being, I should be able to put it where I want it.

The Illustrious was actually in Plymouth in Jun 40, not Bristol as appears in the game. The problem is, it was there based on the Germans attacking France on May 10th. In MY game, the Germans attacked in March. Since the above says the ship was moved from Plymouth because of what was happening in France, it goes to show that the carrier COULD HAVE BEEN deployed anywhere while its flight crews were "working up" and didnt need to be in the path of a "gamey" player. Truth be told, it really shouldnt appear at all until the end of July, or perhaps early July in Canada (to simulate Bermuda).

Edit: Upon reflection, early July at any port in Canada (so the German player cant pack subs around that 1 port) would be the best option as if it were needed to hunt raiders and/or subs on her way back to England from Bermuda the Allied player should be able to do that, since its impossible to predict what any given German player would do. In real the world, IF SHE HAD BEEN NEEDED TO DO THIS she likely would have. So the option should be there. IMHO anyways.

From wiki:
While Illustrious was being moved in preparation for her acceptance trials on 24 April, the tugboat Poolgarth capsized with the loss of three crewmen.[26] The carrier conducted preliminary flying trials in the Firth of Clyde with six Fairey Swordfish torpedo bombers that had been craned aboard earlier. In early June, she loaded the personnel from 806, 815, and 819 Squadrons at Devonport Royal Dockyard; 806 Squadron was equipped with Blackburn Skua dive bombers and Fairey Fulmar fighters, and the latter two squadrons were equipped with Swordfish. She began working up off Plymouth, but the German conquest of France made this too risky, and Illustrious sailed for Bermuda later in the month to continue working up. This was complete by 23 July, when she arrived in the Clyde and flew off her aircraft. The ship was docked in Clydeside for a minor refit the following day; she arrived in Scapa Flow on 15 August, and became the flagship of Rear Admiral Lumley Lyster.[27] Her squadrons flew back aboard, and she sailed for the Mediterranean on 22 August with 15 Fulmars and 18 Swordfish aboard.[28]

[PvtBenjamin]

The Illustrious was commissioned May 26 '40 in Portsmouth and nominated for service in June. So they did us a favor by putting it further away from the Axis in Bristol.

Your opponent knew the game better than you and you weren't prepared.

[witpaemail]

The Illustrious was launched in Apr 39. I guess you missed the first sentence:

"While Illustrious was being moved in preparation for her acceptance trials on 24 April..."

This in and of itself proves it could have gone anywhere. They chose to send it to Plymouth, but it didnt HAVE to go there. Indeed, they moved it to Bermuda because of what was going on in France and it was in danger in Plymouth.

So I guess I dont understand your point. The history books themselves say they moved it to avoid danger. So why cant I move it to avoid danger? Why MUST it appear a month or 2 before it should have, and at the wrong port?

Edit: In fact by the strict actual historical account, it really shouldnt appear until the 15th of August and at Scapa Flow, because thats where and when it actually joined the Royal Navy. But as I said earlier, after she was finished working up in Bermuda in mid July, had she been needed to hunt raiders (queue Johnny Hortons "Sink the Bismark" here), its quite likely she would have. And thus the reason I think it should appear in mid July and in Canada. But I already said all that.

ORIGINAL: PvtBenjamin


Your opponent knew the game better than you and you weren't prepared.

He invaded in March. The turn it appeared (only 2 hexes it can possibly deploy in) he attacked it. He only had 1 squadron in range (the maritime bomber unit). I kept the rest of his army far enough away from it that he couldnt hit it with anything else. He didnt finish France until THAT turn. So I held France for 3 months. So yeah, he knew the game better than me.

I already beat you twice (once as allied and once as German, both games ended before June 1943). I will admit I was surprised you fought them both all the way to the end. Most people would have given up before then. Enough said.

So, getting back to the original post:

Please change the deployment of this carrier. Please?

[PvtBenjamin]

According to naval-history.net , I'm far from an expert on the Illustrious but this is what they say

ORIGINAL: PvtBenjamin

The Illustrious was commissioned May 26 '40 in Portsmouth and nominated for service in June.

https://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chron ... trious.htm



Either way the placement seems appropriate, even you say the ship was in Plymouth in June '40. So whats the big deal with it being placed in Bristol.


I have lost many games but never to you unless you play by a different name. You certainly didn't beat me as Allies because until very recently I only play Allies in PBEM and am yet to lose (or win).


I'd suggest when something goes wrong in the game first reflect on how to improve your game before demanding un-warranted game changes. Please also refrain from the childish "I beat you" , especially when they aren't correct, it trivializes your argument.

[witpaemail]

ORIGINAL: PvtBenjamin

According to naval-history.net , I'm far from an expert on the Illustrious but this is what they say

ORIGINAL: PvtBenjamin

The Illustrious was commissioned May 26 '40 in Portsmouth and nominated for service in June.

https://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chron ... trious.htm

Either way the placement seems appropriate, even you say the ship was in Plymouth in June '40. So whats the big deal with it being placed in Bristol.

I have lost many games but never to you unless you play by a different name. You certainly didn't beat me as Allies because until very recently I only play Allies in PBEM and am yet to lose (or win).


I'd suggest when something goes wrong in the game first reflect on how to improve your game before demanding un-warranted game changes. Please also refrain from the childish "I beat you" , especially when they aren't correct, it trivializes your argument.

The name in SC2 is Meaneye. With me as allies you never even took Riga or Kiev. The Russians were level 2 infantry, level 2 AA before you even invaded, and frankly I had most of the Russian infantry army built. You didnt upgrade most of your units and did very little if any diplomacy. I got Spain in on my side, and Sweden, and Turkey. You had commented that the Volks units werent very good (not your exact words) as the Russians were flooding over the border (I had to pull my corps units back from the line because they were getting in the way of my armies and tanks). And the turn I won, I asked you if you wanted a rematch. And in the rematch I overran Russia, moved all my air to France, bombed the unit in London until it was dead and dropped a para on it to win that game. Remember now?

As for the ship being in Plymouth in real life. Its true. It was. BUT, it wasnt there in March 1940. Which is when the Germans invaded France in MY game. You want real life deployments, then the Germans should be required to HAVE to wait until May 10th to attack. Since the Brits IN REAL LIFE moved the ship a month after the Germans invaded because of the danger from France, its only reasonable to speculate that if the Germans had attacked in March instead of May that the Brits wouldnt have sent it there at all, since they sent it in April.

Again, its presence at Plymouth was NOT a requirement for the ship to eventually join the fleet, as evidenced by the fact they moved it to Bermuda. Let me say that again, slowly:

Its - presence - at - Plymouth - was - NOT - required - for - its - commissioning. That could very well have been done in Scapa Flow or for that matter, Liverpool where it got its new screws, or Bermuda, or New York, or even Singapore. The REAL LIFE British sent it to Plymouth. True. But the Germans were NOT in France when they did it. Now were they?

In MY game, the Germans were indeed in France, and the British Admiralty would have to be pretty stupid to send it Plymouth 2 months after the Germans over ran Belgium and entered France, now wouldnt they?

Dont have a clue why you insist on beating this horse. The ship doesnt belong there. It belongs in Scapa Flow in August or in Bermuda in July. That would be when their training was complete and their TRAINED air groups assigned. The HMS Illustrious wasnt fully trained and equipped until August 1940 at Scapa Flow, after her return for training operations ("working up")off Bermuda. And until their training was complete in Bermuda in July, they werent in a position to conduct operations with the fleet, and thus shouldnt be in the game.

[PvtBenjamin]

Meaneye? Are you kidding me?

I easily beat you once as Allies and was killing you the second game. I quit because of 1.16 upgrade. Seriously?

You are confusing me with someone else. What you are saying never happened. I have never played you as Axis.

Good Bye

[witpaemail]

Sorry, but no. I am not confusing you.

I only had 2 games going when the 1.16 update came out.

First one was against retireman59 and the other was nuijel. If I had been playing you at that time, it was still be listed on my screen in red, and they arent. So, nice try. But it doesnt matter, has nothing to do with the HMS Illustrious.

(for some reason I cant attach the screen shot I took of my games list. And your name isnt on it meaning its been a month I think before it falls off the list. 2 months maybe?

[PvtBenjamin]

I was also on vacation for 3 weeks in April several players will attest, maybe thats when it ended.

It wasn't a game I was taking seriously

[PvtBenjamin]

If you would like to play again and post screen shots of your great victory that would be fine.

I will play the Allies (because I don't play Axis) in '39 game standard rules with no major country diplomacy (150 pt), all 50 point diplomacy ok.

[PvtBenjamin]

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[BillRunacre]

ORIGINAL: witpaemail

The carrier that appears in Bristol in Jun 40, any chance of allowing that to be deployed at any port?

Hi

I've made a note to consider this for a future patch.

An AAR between the two of you would be more welcome. [:)]

[PvtBenjamin]

Thanks Bill I think that's a great idea.

Actually you could be very helpful in our dispute.

Is it possible to go back to old PBEM games and say PvtB played Meaneye twice as Allies and never as Axis (maybe when game started and ended)? To be fair maybe you'll find what Meaneye here says is true that he whooped me as the Allies. If there was no game of course that couldn't have happened.

Some final screenshots in our 2 games would be great but I'm sure thats tough.

Considering I'm an Allies specialist (now working on Axis game vs AI) if you think putting the Illustrious where ever you want makes sense I'm all in.


thanks again.

[BillRunacre]

I'm not sure, but if I can and get a chance to do so I will.