The Accidental War Obvert vs Lowpe

[HansBolter]

DB3-Ts and TB-3s are different airframe types.

the DB-3T is a torpedo capable version of the DB-3.

TB-3s are slow lumbering strategic bombers.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter


TB-3s are slow lumbering strategic bombers.

Max speed 122![:D]

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: HansBolter


TB-3s are slow lumbering strategic bombers.

Max speed 122![:D]

With an open cockpit and no power assist. How very Russian![X(][:D]

[HansBolter]

Yea, I did a double take on them, with a hearty "you've got to be kidding me reaction" when first examining what I would have to work with when the Russians activated.

Then again, I STILL have a few I15bis airframes operational in Octiber '45 at small isolated airfields with no potential for airframe upgrade.

I'm at October 31st so one more day till I start getting P80 Shooting Stars!

[PaxMondo]

Can you share a few econ pages from tracker? I know your economy is not at a 100% ...

[ChuckBerger]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: HansBolter


TB-3s are slow lumbering strategic bombers.

Max speed 122![:D]

Sure, but sling a few I-16s under your wings, and Bob's your uncle mate!

Not even the B-29 carried its own fighters along with it.

In fact, if the Allies had just equipped all their B-17s and Lancasters with a couple of under-wing fighters apiece, the air war in Europe would have been over a lot sooner!

[CaptBeefheart]

I used to log a lot of hours in the Il-2 flight sim with buddies in the States. It's a lot of fun flying one of those huge lumbering TB-3s hopping around firing guns from the different positions as your mates in I-15s or the like try to shoot you down.

Cheers,
CB

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Can you share a few econ pages from tracker? I know your economy is not at a 100% ...

Pax,

I stopped using tracker months and months ago, it was so grim. Of course it was a huge mistake because I accidentally shut down all plane research and development.

Now with the Wargamr game over, I will reload tracker and comply with your wishes. Got to steel up my nerves first![;)]

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: ChuckBerger

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: HansBolter


TB-3s are slow lumbering strategic bombers.

Max speed 122![:D]

Sure, but sling a few I-16s under your wings, and Bob's your uncle mate!

Not even the B-29 carried its own fighters along with it.

In fact, if the Allies had just equipped all their B-17s and Lancasters with a couple of under-wing fighters apiece, the air war in Europe would have been over a lot sooner!

That is quite the picture!

[Lowpe]

Dec 20, 1942

Soviets have been bombing for the last several days. It started at night on Hokkaido and Sakhalin. They yesterday they went for the oil at Niigata during the daytime. Then today at Osaka. The first big strike went in with only the local chutai of Nicks responding, bleeding CAP arrived for the followup attack.

Since I am going to run out of fuel, losing the HI isn't all that bad. But this early in the war, there simply isn't enough radar set equipped units to defend Honshu.

Of course a fresh AA regiment just arrived by rail after the attack.[:(]

Soviets did lose 14 DB-3T for the day.

Morning Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 11

Allied aircraft
DB-3M x 33
DB-3T x 30

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
DB-3M: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
DB-3T: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged
DB-3T: 1 destroyed by flak

Manpower hits 89
Fires 13413

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x DB-3M bombing from 5000 feet *
City Attack: 5 x 100 kg GP Bomb
20 x DB-3M bombing from 5000 feet *
City Attack: 5 x 100 kg GP Bomb
6 x DB-3M bombing from 5000 feet *
City Attack: 5 x 100 kg GP Bomb
16 x DB-3T bombing from 5000 feet *
City Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x DB-3T bombing from 5000 feet *
City Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
75th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (3 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 11000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2-N Rufe x 10
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 10

Allied aircraft
DB-3T x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
DB-3T: 4 destroyed

CAP engaged:
Kamikawa Maru-1 with A6M2-N Rufe (10 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(10 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
10 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 9000.
Raid is overhead
8th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(6 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 9000.
Raid is overhead
75th Sentai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 62 minutes

[Lowpe]

Dec 20, 1942

Allies making good progress everywhere...Luzon, Mindanao, Miri falls, China.

No bombings of Honshu today, but lots of ground troops bombed -- beasts at Canton and elsewhere, this nasty one here...

Morning Air attack on Liaoyuan , at 105,40

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
IL-2 x 111

Allied aircraft losses
IL-2: 7 damaged

Airbase hits 22
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 81

Aircraft Attacking:
25 x IL-2 bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
28 x IL-2 bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
25 x IL-2 bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
25 x IL-2 bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
8 x IL-2 bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 3rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking Liaoyuan ...
Also attacking 3rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking Liaoyuan ...
Also attacking 14th Division ...
Also attacking Liaoyuan ...
Also attacking 1st Tank Division ...
Also attacking Liaoyuan ...
Also attacking 3rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking Liaoyuan ...
Also attacking 3rd Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking Liaoyuan ...
Also attacking 3rd Tank Regiment ...

[Lowpe]

Ugly

[Lowpe]

Dec 23, 1942

A clash off Luzon...trying to rescue some troops.

[Lowpe]

An interesting offensive sweep. I set the Tojo IIc down to 15K, while the defenders were defending up high. It worked somewhat with more Soviet losses, Migs are just tough and only one was shot down.





Morning Air attack on Vladivostok , at 112,46

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 24

Allied aircraft
I-153 x 6
I-16m24 x 13
MiG-3 x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
I-153: 2 destroyed
I-16m24: 3 destroyed

CAP engaged:
10 BABr-TOF/19 IAP with MiG-3 (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 33000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes
32 SAD/48 IAP with I-153 (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31100 , scrambling fighters to 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 15 minutes
29 IAD/304 IAP with I-16m24 (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 28190 , scrambling fighters to 28000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
70 IAD/308 IAP with MiG-3 (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 33000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes

[Lowpe]

There is forty Allied units pushing across the river here, along with two Soviet Tank Divisions. Can't stop them. Bombers ineffective.

[Lowpe]

This combat report shows how well Obvert mixes nationality units to maximize combat value. I think these are rockets!

Ground combat at Tungchow (92,53)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 28225 troops, 265 guns, 102 vehicles, Assault Value = 863

Defending force 3751 troops, 45 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 105

Allied adjusted assault: 515

Japanese adjusted defense: 22

Allied assault odds: 23 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Tungchow !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1489 casualties reported
Squads: 15 destroyed, 45 disabled
Non Combat: 40 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 35 (15 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Allied ground losses:
474 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 46 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
82nd Chinese Corps
12th Chinese/A Corps
12th Chinese/B Corps
413th Howitzer Regiment
33rd Guards Mortar Regiment
32nd Guards Mortar Regiment
39th Guards Mortar Regiment

Defending units:
Yangtze SNLF
6th RGC Division
19th RGC Temp. Division
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

[Lowpe]

Finally catch some IL2...nasty plane.

Morning Air attack on Changchun , at 106,41

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 22
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 4

Allied aircraft
IL-2 x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
IL-2: 11 destroyed

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x IL-2 bombing from 1000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Yokosuka Ku S-1 with A6M3 Zero (3 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 32700.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
Shoho-1 with A6M3 Zero (3 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 8000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes
2nd Hikotai IMAF with Ki-43-IIa Oscar (1 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 4000 , scrambling fighters to 32560.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes

[GetAssista]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
This combat report shows how well Obvert mixes nationality units to maximize combat value. I think these are rockets!

I see Soviets are playing politics really well, using Chinese as cannon fodder to capture bases for themselves [:D]

[Lowpe]

Obvert is making excellent use of all his airplanes. Relentless attacks, always shifting, Japanese air force out gunned and out flown.

[Lowpe]

Osaka still burning...nets Allies over 1,000 VP. It is game over as soon as the Allies do some more strategic bombing. Japan lacks the AA, the Radar sets, fighters to stop the Allies.