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Reply to your three points

i) I agree.
ii) Capturing manpower centres a bit earlier is overrated. 1941 manpower multiplier is 55, so a the 21manpower of Kiev produce roughly 1k recruits per turn. If I can encircle a Soviet rilfe brigade with 4k men and have to delay the capture of Kiev by 2 turns, it is a good deal. Naturally, the weighing changes with the size of the city, if it were about Leningrad 4 turns early and or a rifle brigade pocketed now, Leningrad is the way to go of course.

That Leningrad, Moscow and other cities should be taken does not need to be debated. But I prefer to kill the units first and then have an easy advance as opposed to slugging through them repeatedly and killing them only when the objectives are captured. Given the choice by the Soviet player, I prefer to fight West, in good supply and with a still weak Soviet army instead of in late summer 1941 ad the very edge of my supply chain. That is even more true for 1.11.01+ with higher HQ BU costs.
Here the comparison is between capturing a couple of brigades and a rifle division by keeping six motorised divisions south of the Dvina, or instead see them past Pskow on turn 2. The units to capture ratio of the former is 3 motorised divisions per captured Soviet division - a bad ratio anyway.

The reason for the delay is only partially the encircling/locking of the three circled units.

The super Lvov in the South pulls units from the Southern centre. The southern centre therefure pulls from the Northern centre. The northern centre in addition is occupied with ZOC locking Minsk and encircling some units North of Minsk. Then the 4th PG also has the job of clearing the rail path to Riga for T2 which is not done in your opening. So not having said motorised units North of the Dvina pays for much more than just three units.
Of course one can debate if catching the three circled units is overbreeding of the idea. But I think not in line with my "the return is the higher the more you have already invested" idea as described in total war.


iii) Nothing to add.

Extra point: I do not understand the role of the 1st amendement here, but said person had "allot" of public relation issues [:D]


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At first...
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Not a very good opening by the Krauts in the south...So I decided not to run away yet, also because Rumania stays out of the war next turn still
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OK, I've done South... not too impressed with my opponent...- Defending the Rumanian border to really frustrate AGS and delay building their rail from there
But after a few turns...
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Any point continuing guys?! I can do my turn but I don't really see the point. Good learning experience. Well played on their part
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"South Commander deserts"...Sorry to let you down. Thanks for the learning experience and all the best.
That is an amazing 180 degree turnaround in viewpoint in so short a period of the game.
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At first...
ORIGINAL: Psych0
Not a very good opening by the Krauts in the south...So I decided not to run away yet, also because Rumania stays out of the war next turn still
ORIGINAL: Psych0
OK, I've done South... not too impressed with my opponent...- Defending the Rumanian border to really frustrate AGS and delay building their rail from there
But after a few turns...
ORIGINAL: Psych0
Any point continuing guys?! I can do my turn but I don't really see the point. Good learning experience. Well played on their part
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"South Commander deserts"...Sorry to let you down. Thanks for the learning experience and all the best.
That is an amazing 180 degree turnaround in viewpoint in so short a period of the game.

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At first...


But after a few turns...

That is an amazing 180 degree turnaround in viewpoint in so short a period of the game.

See my signature:)

The evolution of unconscious incompetence to conscious incompetence...

It is one reason in talking with Telemecus about “far fetched” plans over 2 games working with him “I don’t understand “ vs “that will never work..” I have learned much ..


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+1 here too. Thanks.
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+1 Crackaces!
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Single digit turn AARs seem to be a new fad :-)
As men keep having to explain the world over again and again - it is not the length that matters [:)]
It is also about the size of the pockets.

With the number of films watched, you officially qualify as a culture addict.



I think it would be interesting to combine your opening with a super Lvov appraoch that traps 16th army west of Zhitomir too. I recall that it is possible when toying around with it, but not sure if it can be done in a not-messy way...
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I think it would be interesting to combine your opening with a super Lvov appraoch that traps 16th army west of Zhitomir too. I recall that it is possible when toying around with it, but not sure if it can be done in a not-messy way...

This would be the next development. What I have posted here is a game with a hodge podge of different ideas. I would be very interested in anyone trying the idea of the fast east openings tried here for the North- post what happened! Also some have told me they are looking at Timmeh's opening in the South tried here to see if they can use it and improve on it - so this may not be the last word on that either!
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Most were daytime TV trash films that I rated as "skippable", but were left on the family TV when I was young. So I have a bulge of a lot of bad films rated. But all my liked ones are there too!
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With the number of films watched, you officially qualify as a culture addict.
Most were daytime TV trash films that I rated as "skippable", but were left on the family TV when I was young. So I have a bulge of a lot of bad films rated. But all my liked ones are there too!
Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between them.
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Most were daytime TV trash films that I rated as "skippable", but were left on the family TV when I was young. So I have a bulge of a lot of bad films rated. But all my liked ones are there too!
Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between them.
I suspect they are Beria's top ten! [:D]
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Hate to say this guys, but Brief Encounter seems to me a chick flick. [:-]
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