OT: Meat on the table...Rand Study

[Rusty1961]

https://warisboring.com/f-d-how-the-u-s ... -warplane/

The analysts railed against the new plane, which to be fair played only a small role in the overall simulation. “Inferior acceleration, inferior climb [rate], inferior sustained turn capability,” they wrote. “Also has lower top speed. Can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run.” Once missiles and guns had been fired and avoiding detection was no longer an option—in all but the first few seconds of combat, in other words—the F-35 was unable to keep pace with rival planes.

"Meat on the table"

[MakeeLearn]

"Chinese-owned company has been manufacturing key circuit boards for top secret next generation F-35 fighter jets flown by the U.K. and U.S., broadcaster Sky News reported Friday."

""Exception PCB produces bare circuit boards, and as a result, there are no risks associated with their product in the F-35 aircraft supply chain," said a spokesperson for the MoD, downplaying the firm's importance in the program.

Former defense ministers and experts, however, have expressed concern over a Chinese-owned firm operating at the center of such a secretive program and attribute this to possible Chinese espionage and rivalry."

[MakeeLearn]

The US and Japan still can't find a missing F-35, and its 'secrets' may be in danger

"The US and Japan have been conducting a tireless, around-the-clock search for a missing F-35 for a week, but so far, they have yet to recover the downed fighter or its pilot. A life is on the line, and the "secrets" of the most expensive weapon in the world are lost somewhere in the Pacific Ocean.

A Japan Air Self-Defense Force F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter flown by 41-year-old Maj. Akinori Hosomi disappeared from radar last Tuesday, April 9. No distress signal was sent out as the aircraft vanished roughly 85 miles east of Misawa Air Base. "

[MakeeLearn]

For a while I dated a woman that was one of the top civilian maintenance supervisors for the F22.
What little she told me was enlightening.

[Rusty1961]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

The US and Japan still can't find a missing F-35, and its 'secrets' may be in danger

"The US and Japan have been conducting a tireless, around-the-clock search for a missing F-35 for a week, but so far, they have yet to recover the downed fighter or its pilot. A life is on the line, and the "secrets" of the most expensive weapon in the world are lost somewhere in the Pacific Ocean.

A Japan Air Self-Defense Force F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter flown by 41-year-old Maj. Akinori Hosomi disappeared from radar last Tuesday, April 9. No distress signal was sent out as the aircraft vanished roughly 85 miles east of Misawa Air Base. "

The lie they are propagating is the Japanese pilot lost spatial orientation thus causing the crash.

Gotta love how they blame a dead man for their failure. Dead men tell no tales, eh?

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

https://warisboring.com/f-d-how-the-u-s ... -warplane/

The analysts railed against the new plane, which to be fair played only a small role in the overall simulation. “Inferior acceleration, inferior climb [rate], inferior sustained turn capability,” they wrote. “Also has lower top speed. Can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run.” Once missiles and guns had been fired and avoiding detection was no longer an option—in all but the first few seconds of combat, in other words—the F-35 was unable to keep pace with rival planes.

"Meat on the table"

From the article, some help for WitPAE:

"But as an organization, the Marine Corps was forever changed by its exposure on Guadalcanal."
“The lesson learned was that the U.S. Marine Corps needed to be able to bring its air power with it over the beach because the large-deck Navy aircraft carriers might not always be there,” said Ben Kristy, an official Marine historian."

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

The US and Japan still can't find a missing F-35, and its 'secrets' may be in danger

"The US and Japan have been conducting a tireless, around-the-clock search for a missing F-35 for a week, but so far, they have yet to recover the downed fighter or its pilot. A life is on the line, and the "secrets" of the most expensive weapon in the world are lost somewhere in the Pacific Ocean.

A Japan Air Self-Defense Force F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter flown by 41-year-old Maj. Akinori Hosomi disappeared from radar last Tuesday, April 9. No distress signal was sent out as the aircraft vanished roughly 85 miles east of Misawa Air Base. "

The lie they are propagating is the Japanese pilot lost spatial orientation thus causing the crash.

Gotta love how they blame a dead man for their failure. Dead men tell no tales, eh?

Stolen?

[Rusty1961]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

The US and Japan still can't find a missing F-35, and its 'secrets' may be in danger

"The US and Japan have been conducting a tireless, around-the-clock search for a missing F-35 for a week, but so far, they have yet to recover the downed fighter or its pilot. A life is on the line, and the "secrets" of the most expensive weapon in the world are lost somewhere in the Pacific Ocean.

A Japan Air Self-Defense Force F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter flown by 41-year-old Maj. Akinori Hosomi disappeared from radar last Tuesday, April 9. No distress signal was sent out as the aircraft vanished roughly 85 miles east of Misawa Air Base. "

The lie they are propagating is the Japanese pilot lost spatial orientation thus causing the crash.

Gotta love how they blame a dead man for their failure. Dead men tell no tales, eh?

Stolen?

I don't think it was stolen, unless there is proof it isn't correct to accuse a patriot of treason of the worst kind.

what I like is how they know the cause without even finding a body or wreckage.

That means they know the cause isn't the pilot.

[dcpollay]

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

The US and Japan still can't find a missing F-35, and its 'secrets' may be in danger

"The US and Japan have been conducting a tireless, around-the-clock search for a missing F-35 for a week, but so far, they have yet to recover the downed fighter or its pilot. A life is on the line, and the "secrets" of the most expensive weapon in the world are lost somewhere in the Pacific Ocean.

A Japan Air Self-Defense Force F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter flown by 41-year-old Maj. Akinori Hosomi disappeared from radar last Tuesday, April 9. No distress signal was sent out as the aircraft vanished roughly 85 miles east of Misawa Air Base. "

The lie they are propagating is the Japanese pilot lost spatial orientation thus causing the crash.

Gotta love how they blame a dead man for their failure. Dead men tell no tales, eh?

Do you know the truth, Rusty? If not, you're just trolling here.

My .02 cents. But think about it.

[geofflambert]

Well, whatever, it wouldn't shock me even a little bit if the F-35 turns out to be the biggest cluster eff ever. Plus we've imposed this nightmare on our allies, among other nightmares we've thrust upon our allies. Maybe this will mean the next big aerospace contract will go to the people who brought us the F-15 Eagle and the F/A-18 Super Hornet and the 737 Max ... er, oops!

[Rusty1961]

ORIGINAL: dcpollay

ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

The US and Japan still can't find a missing F-35, and its 'secrets' may be in danger

"The US and Japan have been conducting a tireless, around-the-clock search for a missing F-35 for a week, but so far, they have yet to recover the downed fighter or its pilot. A life is on the line, and the "secrets" of the most expensive weapon in the world are lost somewhere in the Pacific Ocean.

A Japan Air Self-Defense Force F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter flown by 41-year-old Maj. Akinori Hosomi disappeared from radar last Tuesday, April 9. No distress signal was sent out as the aircraft vanished roughly 85 miles east of Misawa Air Base. "

The lie they are propagating is the Japanese pilot lost spatial orientation thus causing the crash.

Gotta love how they blame a dead man for their failure. Dead men tell no tales, eh?

Do you know the truth, Rusty? If not, you're just trolling here.

My .02 cents. But think about it.

I know if the MIC said it was pilot error without a body or wreckage it wasn't the truth (what they said).

[Rusty1961]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Well, whatever, it wouldn't shock me even a little bit if the F-35 turns out to be the biggest cluster eff ever. Plus we've imposed this nightmare on our allies, among other nightmares we've thrust upon our allies. Maybe this will mean the next big aerospace contract will go to the people who brought us the F-15 Eagle and the F/A-18 Super Hornet and the 737 Max ... er, oops!

Not to worry; the F-35 has been such a success in fulfilling the role of the F-16 and F-15 that the US Air Force is asking Congress for monies to build the F-15X. Not that it implies the F-35 can't replace the F-15 mind you.

[RangerJoe]

Sometimes, people need to leave the basement and get into the sun. If they then turn to stone, they can become statues in a garden for birds to drop poo on.

[geofflambert]

Who says there's any sun outside of my (er... my mom's) basement?

[RangerJoe]

You need to get into the sun in the morning so you can warm up and move. Just don't get out into the afternoon sun and bake.

[FlyByKnight]

Oh, hohohoho, look whose back! Look who can't take a hint when thread after thread easily rebukes his flimsy arguments. What's the matter, your last attempt got torn down too quickly the first time around?
Now whadda we have here, trying to go for the throat is it? Whoah, duck in cover, he's got an article that's almost 6 years old! From a trashy website that panders to normies! Damn, with links to such journalistic luminaries as counterpunch.org, and quotes from wise luminary of defense reform Pierre Sprey, who would dare to dissent against it? Disregard all those appearances by Sprey on Russia Today and Sputnik, no harmful agendas favored by Russia there, nosiree. And what's that I espy? A RAND study from 2008? The study that they backed off from and had to specify what their goal was as stated in that very article? Drat, and I thought I had a chance. Nigh-11 year old studies that were already 5 years old by the time that article came out, there's no defense. That one quotation from a contributor the discredited Ausairpower, too, watch out. Nothin strikes fear into the heart of a would-be hatred skeptic like a layout that was cutting edge for 2004 and a 5-year lack of updates. Crikey. Another brilliantly-conceived move by the great Rusty1961, the lone dissenter waging his one-man war against any unparalleled folly that dares to show itself before computer screen. Woe, great woe betide those who dare to contradict his shining deductions. If only we had listened...

[RangerJoe]

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[Rusty1961]

ORIGINAL: FlyByKnight

Oh, hohohoho, look whose back! Look who can't take a hint when thread after thread easily rebukes his flimsy arguments. What's the matter, your last attempt got torn down too quickly the first time around?
Now whadda we have here, trying to go for the throat is it? Whoah, duck in cover, he's got an article that's almost 6 years old! From a trashy website that panders to normies! Damn, with links to such journalistic luminaries as counterpunch.org, and quotes from wise luminary of defense reform Pierre Sprey, who would dare to dissent against it? Disregard all those appearances by Sprey on Russia Today and Sputnik, no harmful agendas favored by Russia there, nosiree. And what's that I espy? A RAND study from 2008? The study that they backed off from and had to specify what their goal was as stated in that very article? Drat, and I thought I had a chance. Nigh-11 year old studies that were already 5 years old by the time that article came out, there's no defense. That one quotation from a contributor the discredited Ausairpower, too, watch out. Nothin strikes fear into the heart of a would-be hatred skeptic like a layout that was cutting edge for 2004 and a 5-year lack of updates. Crikey. Another brilliantly-conceived move by the great Rusty1961, the lone dissenter waging his one-man war against any unparalleled folly that dares to show itself before computer screen. Woe, great woe betide those who dare to contradict his shining deductions. If only we had listened...

Fair enough; is June 12th, 2019, too "dated" for you?

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/06 ... -problems/

[Rusty1961]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Z_DuF87Sc

What does he know? Right?

[geofflambert]

It is interesting that the critic Rusty presents blames the USAF for fatal flaws in the program. The USAF was also first in complaining about having to buy F-35s and they wanted to get some more F-22s instead. We never did need one airframe that could do everything. Instead we perhaps have one airframe that can do nothing, well.