Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI - War in the Pacific: Admirals Edition
Moderators: wdolson, MOD_War-in-the-Pacific-Admirals-Edition
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI - War in the Pacific: Admirals Edition
Do you have a good surface fleet in or near the Malacca Strait to fend off Kirishima or any similar foes? Does your CV force there have any torpedo bombers?
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI - War in the Pacific: Admirals Edition
ORIGINAL: jwolf
Do you have a good surface fleet in or near the Malacca Strait to fend off Kirishima or any similar foes? Does your CV force there have any torpedo bombers?
Affirmative, I have a group of old (or maybe vintage/well experienced are better words) British BB/BCs...Valiant, Q.Elizabeth, and Renown, plus DD escort. Also in the area is a British cruiser force (Sussex, Suffolk, and Exeter).
No torpedo bombers with the CVs. Besides the fact torpedo bombers are rather scarce in the SE Asia theatre, I opted for defense and packed the carriers with fighters. I have some DBs and a squadron of Swordfish at Singora, but that's about it.
Despite all these surface ships, its been the submarine force that has delivered. Stonehenge, Tactician, and Trespasser have all engaged & fired torpedoes at Kirishima in the last few days....and one of Stonehenge's actually hit. The following day, Kirishima retreated south to the safety of Singapore's port facilities. A 4EB port strike may be in it's future...
You say we're surrounded?
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI - War in the Pacific: Admirals Edition
Situation Report – March 1st 1944
Central/North Pacific:
Capital Ships:
6-CVE, 1-CVL, 2-BB @Pearl Harbor
Near-Term Plans:
Capture Luzon.
Long Term Plans:
Advance on Okinawa/Formosa, Strategic Bombing.
SW Pacific:
Capital Ships: 9-CV, 14-CVE, 3-CVL, 13-BB
Near-Term Plans:
Capture Luzon, keep home islands isolated from DEI
Long Term Plans:
Capture Java/Sumatra
SE Asia/China:
Capital Ships:
2-CV, 1-CVE, 1-BB
Near-Term Plans:
Advance down Malaya Peninsula to threaten Singapore. Capture Sumatra, advance into China
Long Term Plans:
Capture Singapore. Capture Sumatra
Base Supply Status:
Central/North Pacific:
Capital Ships:
6-CVE, 1-CVL, 2-BB @Pearl Harbor
Near-Term Plans:
Capture Luzon.
Long Term Plans:
Advance on Okinawa/Formosa, Strategic Bombing.
SW Pacific:
Capital Ships: 9-CV, 14-CVE, 3-CVL, 13-BB
Near-Term Plans:
Capture Luzon, keep home islands isolated from DEI
Long Term Plans:
Capture Java/Sumatra
SE Asia/China:
Capital Ships:
2-CV, 1-CVE, 1-BB
Near-Term Plans:
Advance down Malaya Peninsula to threaten Singapore. Capture Sumatra, advance into China
Long Term Plans:
Capture Singapore. Capture Sumatra
Base Supply Status:
You say we're surrounded?
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI - War in the Pacific: Admirals Edition
Week 116: March 1st – March 7th 1944
North Pacific:
No IJN activity.
Central Pacific:
Allies are moving the final pieces of the Harbinger Phase 1 (Luzon invasion). Troops heading for Legaspi, Atimonian, and Aparri are assembling at Guam, Tinian, and Saipan, respectively. Additional supply convoys have been loaded at Rabaul and are steaming north to join the armada. CV support is anchored at Ulithi for a quick rest & refit. Everything should be ready in about 2 weeks for departure to the Luzon beaches.
Southern Pacific:
No IJN activity.
South-West Pacific:
In the Celebes, Allied infantry reaches Makassar and finds a 170 AV enemy garrison. At Kendari, the enemy is mostly support troops (56 AV). A probing attack in on tap for tomorrow. The enemy garrison on Manado was destroyed early in the week.
Jolo remains a stalemate, however the enemy force is showing signs of cracking. Bombardment attack results have shifted decisively in the Allies favor. Now that the Allies are rested, they will attempt a deliberate attack to test Jolo’s defenses.
SE Asia/China:
The advance down the Malayan peninsula continues. The encircling movement is complete, as the 26th Indian Division cuts the road south of Alor Star and begins marching northwards towards the town. The other element of this force takes Kota Bharu and follows the retreating Japanese along the railroad to the southwest.
The assault on Sumatra begins mid-week. The 81st Division reaches Sabang, where it finds a hodgepodge of enemy troops (320AV) holding the town. Reinforcements (11th Division) make landfall at Langsa and are hurrying up the coastal road. To the south, Merrill’s Marauders reach Medan and in their first assault, they drop the cities forts from 3 to 0. Tomorrows attack should finish the job.
Kirishima and friends disappear from the Malacca Straits, initially Allied command thought she went to Singapore, but a port attack there found only minor surface vessels present. There is a possibilty she is headed to the home islands, if so, the subs in the South China Sea picket line should be in a fine position to intercept.
In northern China, the advance southeast of Kaifeng continues apace. The enemy roadblock at Kwiteh is easily swept aside, and the Chinese should reach Suchow in a day or two.
In southern China, reinforcements have arrived and now over 250K Chinese/American/British troops (6,000 AV) are trading bombardments with 80K Japanese (1,300 AV). The influx of troops caused a temporary supply shortage, but now things are good, so a general attack will be launched early next week.
Japanese pockets at Kuikiang (18 units/120K troops) and west of Pucheng (2 units, 30K troops) continue to be worn down.
IJN Watch:
-No capital ship sightings this week.
Notable Base Captures:
- Manado [Celebes] captured by the Allies (3/1)
- Kwiteh [China] captured by the Allies (3/1)
- Tapul [Philippines] occupied by the Allies (3/6)
- Kota Bharu [Malaya] captured by the Allies (3/6)
Campaign Overview:
Aircraft Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 9,255 [+98]
Japanese: 26,927 [+381]
Ship Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 693 [+5]
Notables: CV Enterprise, CV Victorious, CVE Copahee, CVE Corregidor, CVE Nassau, CVE St.Lo, 5 CA, 14 CL, 29 DD
Japanese: 1,612 [+20]
Notables: CV Akagi, CV Kaga, CV Hiryu, CV Hiyo, CV Junyo, CV Soryu, CV Shokaku, CV Zuikaku, CVL Shoho, CVL Ryuho, CVL Ryujo, CVL Zuiho, CVE Hosho, CVE Taiyo, BB Fuso, BB Haruna, BB Hiei, BB Kongo, BB Mutsu, BB Nagato, BB Yamato, 18 CA, 22 CL, 51 DD
Army Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 11,311 [+9]
Japanese: 14,952 [+251]
A/J Ratio: 0.76 to 1
VP Totals [change]:
Allies: 76,465 [+852]
Japanese: 34,336 [-12]
A/J Ratio: 2.23 to 1
Operation Chimera:
Phase 1A:
-Assault & Capture Cotabato [COMPLETE]
-Secure Mindano [COMPLETE]
Phase 1B:
-Assault & Capture Balikpapan
-Assault & Capture Jolo [IN PROGRESS - AV 615:430 Forts at 5]
-Reinforce Brunei [IN PROGRESS – support troops and supply unloading]
Phase 1C:
-Assault & Capture Watampone [COMPLETE]
-Assault & Capture Kolaka [COMPLETE]
-Assault & Capture Makassar [IN PROGRESS – AV 268:173 Forts unknown]
-Assault & Capture Kendari [IN PROGRESS – Forces marching overland from Kolaka]
Operation Harbinger:
Phase 1:
-Assault & Capture Legaspi [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Atimonian [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Lingayen [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Aparri [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Manilla
Phase 2a:
-Assault & Capture Ishigaki
-Assault & Capture Miyako-Jima
Phase 2b:
-Assault & Capture Okinawa
-Assault & Capture Amami-Oshima
Other Notes:
-Sub picket lines in the South China Sea account for 14 ships this week [4-AK, 1-PB, 4-E, 1-SC, 4-TK]
North Pacific:
No IJN activity.
Central Pacific:
Allies are moving the final pieces of the Harbinger Phase 1 (Luzon invasion). Troops heading for Legaspi, Atimonian, and Aparri are assembling at Guam, Tinian, and Saipan, respectively. Additional supply convoys have been loaded at Rabaul and are steaming north to join the armada. CV support is anchored at Ulithi for a quick rest & refit. Everything should be ready in about 2 weeks for departure to the Luzon beaches.
Southern Pacific:
No IJN activity.
South-West Pacific:
In the Celebes, Allied infantry reaches Makassar and finds a 170 AV enemy garrison. At Kendari, the enemy is mostly support troops (56 AV). A probing attack in on tap for tomorrow. The enemy garrison on Manado was destroyed early in the week.
Jolo remains a stalemate, however the enemy force is showing signs of cracking. Bombardment attack results have shifted decisively in the Allies favor. Now that the Allies are rested, they will attempt a deliberate attack to test Jolo’s defenses.
SE Asia/China:
The advance down the Malayan peninsula continues. The encircling movement is complete, as the 26th Indian Division cuts the road south of Alor Star and begins marching northwards towards the town. The other element of this force takes Kota Bharu and follows the retreating Japanese along the railroad to the southwest.
The assault on Sumatra begins mid-week. The 81st Division reaches Sabang, where it finds a hodgepodge of enemy troops (320AV) holding the town. Reinforcements (11th Division) make landfall at Langsa and are hurrying up the coastal road. To the south, Merrill’s Marauders reach Medan and in their first assault, they drop the cities forts from 3 to 0. Tomorrows attack should finish the job.
Kirishima and friends disappear from the Malacca Straits, initially Allied command thought she went to Singapore, but a port attack there found only minor surface vessels present. There is a possibilty she is headed to the home islands, if so, the subs in the South China Sea picket line should be in a fine position to intercept.
In northern China, the advance southeast of Kaifeng continues apace. The enemy roadblock at Kwiteh is easily swept aside, and the Chinese should reach Suchow in a day or two.
In southern China, reinforcements have arrived and now over 250K Chinese/American/British troops (6,000 AV) are trading bombardments with 80K Japanese (1,300 AV). The influx of troops caused a temporary supply shortage, but now things are good, so a general attack will be launched early next week.
Japanese pockets at Kuikiang (18 units/120K troops) and west of Pucheng (2 units, 30K troops) continue to be worn down.
IJN Watch:
-No capital ship sightings this week.
Notable Base Captures:
- Manado [Celebes] captured by the Allies (3/1)
- Kwiteh [China] captured by the Allies (3/1)
- Tapul [Philippines] occupied by the Allies (3/6)
- Kota Bharu [Malaya] captured by the Allies (3/6)
Campaign Overview:
Aircraft Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 9,255 [+98]
Japanese: 26,927 [+381]
Ship Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 693 [+5]
Notables: CV Enterprise, CV Victorious, CVE Copahee, CVE Corregidor, CVE Nassau, CVE St.Lo, 5 CA, 14 CL, 29 DD
Japanese: 1,612 [+20]
Notables: CV Akagi, CV Kaga, CV Hiryu, CV Hiyo, CV Junyo, CV Soryu, CV Shokaku, CV Zuikaku, CVL Shoho, CVL Ryuho, CVL Ryujo, CVL Zuiho, CVE Hosho, CVE Taiyo, BB Fuso, BB Haruna, BB Hiei, BB Kongo, BB Mutsu, BB Nagato, BB Yamato, 18 CA, 22 CL, 51 DD
Army Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 11,311 [+9]
Japanese: 14,952 [+251]
A/J Ratio: 0.76 to 1
VP Totals [change]:
Allies: 76,465 [+852]
Japanese: 34,336 [-12]
A/J Ratio: 2.23 to 1
Operation Chimera:
Phase 1A:
-Assault & Capture Cotabato [COMPLETE]
-Secure Mindano [COMPLETE]
Phase 1B:
-Assault & Capture Balikpapan
-Assault & Capture Jolo [IN PROGRESS - AV 615:430 Forts at 5]
-Reinforce Brunei [IN PROGRESS – support troops and supply unloading]
Phase 1C:
-Assault & Capture Watampone [COMPLETE]
-Assault & Capture Kolaka [COMPLETE]
-Assault & Capture Makassar [IN PROGRESS – AV 268:173 Forts unknown]
-Assault & Capture Kendari [IN PROGRESS – Forces marching overland from Kolaka]
Operation Harbinger:
Phase 1:
-Assault & Capture Legaspi [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Atimonian [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Lingayen [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Aparri [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Manilla
Phase 2a:
-Assault & Capture Ishigaki
-Assault & Capture Miyako-Jima
Phase 2b:
-Assault & Capture Okinawa
-Assault & Capture Amami-Oshima
Other Notes:
-Sub picket lines in the South China Sea account for 14 ships this week [4-AK, 1-PB, 4-E, 1-SC, 4-TK]
You say we're surrounded?
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI - War in the Pacific: Admirals Edition
Week 117: March 8th – March 14th 1944
North Pacific:
No IJN activity.
Central Pacific:
Preparations continue for the next amphibious assault on Luzon. CV and CVE forces are at Ulithi and have finished filling out their air wings. Now we wait for the supply convoys and a few more ground units to arrive from Rabaul…and then the armada will be ready to depart.
Southern Pacific:
No IJN activity.
South-West Pacific:
In the Celebes, the Allies take Kendari fairly easily. Now most of these troops will shuttle over to Watampone to assist with the capture of Makassar.
The Jolo situation is progressing, as it looks like the Allied blockade is finally paying dividends. Two attacks this week have dropped the forts from 5 to 3. As expected, the Allied troops are fairly exhausted from all the activity, so they will rest up a few days before giving it another go.
SE Asia/China:
The advance down the Malayan peninsula continues. The enemy troops surrounded near Alor Star are being ground down by over 2,300 AV of British & Commonwealth troops. The other element of the Allied force on Malaya is pushing the enemy SW from Koat Bharu and is now two hexes from Temuloh.
In Sumatra the 81st and 11th Divisions reach Sabang, where they rest a bit and ready for a probing assault on the city. To the south, Merrill’s Marauders easily capture Medan and continue on towards Tandjoengbalai (let’s hope the town is easier to capture than it is to spell). While Kirishima has disappeared from sight, BB Musashi shows up in the Malaccan Straits. Allied surface ships effectively screen the enemy BB away from the more vulnerable targets, while CV and land based dive bombers score 11 bomb hits on Musashi. Although all bombs failed to penetrate, they forced Musashi’s retreat to the south.
In northern China, the capture of Suchow is complete, now most of the Chinese force is resting up at Suchow, while a small detachment pursues the fleeing Japanese towards Haichow to the southeast. Paotow is also captured by a small Chinese contingent.
In southern China, a deliberate assault is attempted by the Allies at Canton. The Allies lose 10K troops (32 squads destroyed/981 disabled), and the Japanese lose 5K (31 squads destroyed, 169 Disabled), but the good news is the forts are reduced from 7 to 6. The Allied force is now resting up for another assault. At Sinyang, the Japanese are evicted from the hex to the southeast of the city, which means the enveloping movement is now complete, and there is no escape for over 100k enemy troops (insert evil laugh here).
Japanese pockets at Kuikiang (18 units/120K troops) and west of Pucheng (2 units, 30K troops) continue to be worn down.
IJN Watch:
-BB Musashi sighted in Straits of Malacca (3/9)
Notable Base Captures:
- Medan [Sumatra] captured by the Allies (3/8)
- Kendari [Celebes] captured by the Allies (3/11)
- Paotow [China] captured by the Allies (3/11)
- Suchow [China] captured by the Allies (3/13)
- Anking [China] captured by the Allies (3/14)
Campaign Overview:
Aircraft Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 9,325 [+70]
Japanese: 27,465 [+538]
Ship Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 697 [+4]
Notables: CV Enterprise, CV Victorious, CVE Copahee, CVE Corregidor, CVE Nassau, CVE St.Lo, 5 CA, 14 CL, 29 DD
Japanese: 1,628 [+16]
Notables: CV Akagi, CV Kaga, CV Hiryu, CV Hiyo, CV Junyo, CV Soryu, CV Shokaku, CV Zuikaku, CVL Shoho, CVL Ryuho, CVL Ryujo, CVL Zuiho, CVE Hosho, CVE Taiyo, BB Fuso, BB Haruna, BB Hiei, BB Kongo, BB Mutsu, BB Nagato, BB Yamato, 18 CA, 22 CL, 51 DD
Army Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 11,380 [+69]
Japanese: 15,438 [+486]
A/J Ratio: 0.74 to 1
VP Totals [change]:
Allies: 77,592 [+1,127]
Japanese: 34,444 [+108]
A/J Ratio: 2.25 to 1
Operation Chimera:
Phase 1A:
-Assault & Capture Cotabato [COMPLETE]
-Secure Mindano [COMPLETE]
Phase 1B:
-Assault & Capture Balikpapan
-Assault & Capture Jolo [IN PROGRESS - AV 464:270 Forts at 3]
-Reinforce Brunei [COMPLETE]
Phase 1C:
-Assault & Capture Watampone [COMPLETE]
-Assault & Capture Kolaka [COMPLETE]
-Assault & Capture Makassar [IN PROGRESS – AV 273:179 Forts unknown]
-Assault & Capture Kendari [COMPLETE]
Operation Harbinger:
Phase 1:
-Assault & Capture Legaspi [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Atimonian [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Lingayen [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Aparri [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Manilla
Phase 2a:
-Assault & Capture Ishigaki
-Assault & Capture Miyako-Jima
Phase 2b:
-Assault & Capture Okinawa
-Assault & Capture Amami-Oshima
Other Notes:
-Sub picket lines in the South China Sea account for 7 ships this week [1-AK, 1-LST, 3-E, and 2-TK]
North Pacific:
No IJN activity.
Central Pacific:
Preparations continue for the next amphibious assault on Luzon. CV and CVE forces are at Ulithi and have finished filling out their air wings. Now we wait for the supply convoys and a few more ground units to arrive from Rabaul…and then the armada will be ready to depart.
Southern Pacific:
No IJN activity.
South-West Pacific:
In the Celebes, the Allies take Kendari fairly easily. Now most of these troops will shuttle over to Watampone to assist with the capture of Makassar.
The Jolo situation is progressing, as it looks like the Allied blockade is finally paying dividends. Two attacks this week have dropped the forts from 5 to 3. As expected, the Allied troops are fairly exhausted from all the activity, so they will rest up a few days before giving it another go.
SE Asia/China:
The advance down the Malayan peninsula continues. The enemy troops surrounded near Alor Star are being ground down by over 2,300 AV of British & Commonwealth troops. The other element of the Allied force on Malaya is pushing the enemy SW from Koat Bharu and is now two hexes from Temuloh.
In Sumatra the 81st and 11th Divisions reach Sabang, where they rest a bit and ready for a probing assault on the city. To the south, Merrill’s Marauders easily capture Medan and continue on towards Tandjoengbalai (let’s hope the town is easier to capture than it is to spell). While Kirishima has disappeared from sight, BB Musashi shows up in the Malaccan Straits. Allied surface ships effectively screen the enemy BB away from the more vulnerable targets, while CV and land based dive bombers score 11 bomb hits on Musashi. Although all bombs failed to penetrate, they forced Musashi’s retreat to the south.
In northern China, the capture of Suchow is complete, now most of the Chinese force is resting up at Suchow, while a small detachment pursues the fleeing Japanese towards Haichow to the southeast. Paotow is also captured by a small Chinese contingent.
In southern China, a deliberate assault is attempted by the Allies at Canton. The Allies lose 10K troops (32 squads destroyed/981 disabled), and the Japanese lose 5K (31 squads destroyed, 169 Disabled), but the good news is the forts are reduced from 7 to 6. The Allied force is now resting up for another assault. At Sinyang, the Japanese are evicted from the hex to the southeast of the city, which means the enveloping movement is now complete, and there is no escape for over 100k enemy troops (insert evil laugh here).
Japanese pockets at Kuikiang (18 units/120K troops) and west of Pucheng (2 units, 30K troops) continue to be worn down.
IJN Watch:
-BB Musashi sighted in Straits of Malacca (3/9)
Notable Base Captures:
- Medan [Sumatra] captured by the Allies (3/8)
- Kendari [Celebes] captured by the Allies (3/11)
- Paotow [China] captured by the Allies (3/11)
- Suchow [China] captured by the Allies (3/13)
- Anking [China] captured by the Allies (3/14)
Campaign Overview:
Aircraft Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 9,325 [+70]
Japanese: 27,465 [+538]
Ship Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 697 [+4]
Notables: CV Enterprise, CV Victorious, CVE Copahee, CVE Corregidor, CVE Nassau, CVE St.Lo, 5 CA, 14 CL, 29 DD
Japanese: 1,628 [+16]
Notables: CV Akagi, CV Kaga, CV Hiryu, CV Hiyo, CV Junyo, CV Soryu, CV Shokaku, CV Zuikaku, CVL Shoho, CVL Ryuho, CVL Ryujo, CVL Zuiho, CVE Hosho, CVE Taiyo, BB Fuso, BB Haruna, BB Hiei, BB Kongo, BB Mutsu, BB Nagato, BB Yamato, 18 CA, 22 CL, 51 DD
Army Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 11,380 [+69]
Japanese: 15,438 [+486]
A/J Ratio: 0.74 to 1
VP Totals [change]:
Allies: 77,592 [+1,127]
Japanese: 34,444 [+108]
A/J Ratio: 2.25 to 1
Operation Chimera:
Phase 1A:
-Assault & Capture Cotabato [COMPLETE]
-Secure Mindano [COMPLETE]
Phase 1B:
-Assault & Capture Balikpapan
-Assault & Capture Jolo [IN PROGRESS - AV 464:270 Forts at 3]
-Reinforce Brunei [COMPLETE]
Phase 1C:
-Assault & Capture Watampone [COMPLETE]
-Assault & Capture Kolaka [COMPLETE]
-Assault & Capture Makassar [IN PROGRESS – AV 273:179 Forts unknown]
-Assault & Capture Kendari [COMPLETE]
Operation Harbinger:
Phase 1:
-Assault & Capture Legaspi [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Atimonian [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Lingayen [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Aparri [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Manilla
Phase 2a:
-Assault & Capture Ishigaki
-Assault & Capture Miyako-Jima
Phase 2b:
-Assault & Capture Okinawa
-Assault & Capture Amami-Oshima
Other Notes:
-Sub picket lines in the South China Sea account for 7 ships this week [1-AK, 1-LST, 3-E, and 2-TK]
You say we're surrounded?
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI - War in the Pacific: Admirals Edition
Can you get some torpedo bombers stationed to cover the Malacca Strait at fairly close range, to stay away from Singapore's airspace? It would be great to put one or two fish into the Musashi and knock it out of action for a while.
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI - War in the Pacific: Admirals Edition
Good suggestion jwolf. Unfortunately the pickings are slim in SE Asia when it comes to torpedo bombers. All I have are two squadrons of Barracuda II's, and they are at Singora on Naval attack. I've thought about transferring over some American Devastators, but they are needed in the SW and Central Pacific at the moment.
The good news is that while planes couldn't put a torp in Musashi, on the 19th, the boys in the Silent service (credit to SS Grampus) put two into her as she crossed the sub picket lines in the South China Sea. The following day Musashi is on the sunk ship report, and naval earch in the area seems to back this up. Glug-glug-glug...[:D]
The good news is that while planes couldn't put a torp in Musashi, on the 19th, the boys in the Silent service (credit to SS Grampus) put two into her as she crossed the sub picket lines in the South China Sea. The following day Musashi is on the sunk ship report, and naval earch in the area seems to back this up. Glug-glug-glug...[:D]
You say we're surrounded?
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI - War in the Pacific: Admirals Edition
Did you see ground loses for her search planes on the aircraft lose screen?
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI
Drat, I wish I had thought to check for search plane losses. I just went off of my naval search results during the subsequent turns. I'll keep that in mind for next time, thanks for the tip Bif!
You say we're surrounded?
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI
Schlussel,
You're doing an excellent job with the maps and summaries of your game. They make it very easy to follow along.
You're doing an excellent job with the maps and summaries of your game. They make it very easy to follow along.
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI
Thank you for the kind words sir.
I would like to note that I recently came across your Allied Ship Insignia / Patch Additions thread and downloaded the patches. Excellent work.[&o]
I would like to note that I recently came across your Allied Ship Insignia / Patch Additions thread and downloaded the patches. Excellent work.[&o]
You say we're surrounded?
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI
Week 118: March 15th – March 21st 1944
North Pacific:
No IJN activity.
Central Pacific:
Two fully prepped New Zealand battalions land at Rota and quickly take the base and destroy 50 planes on the ground. The defenders were just support forces low on supply, and the commonwealth forces made quick work of them.
The Luzon invasion is ready to commence. Assault troops are loading at Guam and Tinian for the first two targets, Legaspi and Atimonian. 2 ASW Task forces lead 10 fleet carriers, 2 CVLs, 9 CVEs, 9 BBs. All this is protecting the vulnerable amphibious fleets, which hold 3 infantry divisions (6th 32nd, 37th) along with engineers, artillery and AA.
The plan is to hit Legaspi first, then the Allied battlegroup will move about the left flank and conduct a landing at Atimonian. Meanwhile the transports (and their CVE escorts) from the Legaspi landing will head back to Saipan to pick up the Aparri force. If all goes well, the Atimonian landings will be finishing up just as the transports are coming back from Saipan, and the groups can unite and head to Aparri. Sounds like a perfect plan…and that has me a little worried.
Southern Pacific:
No IJN activity.
South-West Pacific:
In the Celebes, the Allies force at Kendari begins the overland march to Makassar. All assault shipping is currently being used for the Luzon invasions, so the Celebes force has to hoof it.
Japanese resistance collapses on Jolo, and the Allies take it after assaults on successive days. Damage is 100 on all base facilities, so engineers will have their hands full for a bit.
SE Asia/China:
The advance down the Malayan peninsula continues. The Japanese 2nd Guards Division surrounded NE of Alor Star finally surrenders. The other enemy troops surrounded at Alor Star are being ground down by over 2,300 AV of British & Commonwealth troops. The other element of the Allied force on Malaya is pushing the enemy SW from Kota Bharu and is now one hex from Temuloh.
In Sumatra the 81st and 11th Divisions assault Sabang three times this week and reduce the defenders AV from 430 to 255 and forts from 7 to 5. To the south, Merrill’s Marauders reach and capture Tandjoengbalai, where they take a breather to recover disablements.
BBs Yamashiro and Hyuga show up near Malacca and puff out their chests, strutting around but ultimately doing nothing. Meanwhile BB Musashi tries to run the sub gauntlet in the South China Sea to get back to the safety of the home islands. She pays a hefty price for this gamble, as SS Pampinito puts two fish into her near Puerto Princesa. Then two days later SS Drum hit her with 1 (no explosion) and SS Grampus hits her with two more. Intel reports she sank a day later near Orchid Island.
In northern China, the Chinese consolidate their gains near Suchow and switch to a defensive posture, while a minor advance continues near Paotow towards Kweisui.
In southern China, 2 deliberate assaults are attempted by the Allies at Canton. The Allies lose 7K troops (53 squads destroyed/726 disabled), and the Japanese lose 5K (2 squads destroyed, 98 Disabled), but the good news is the forts are reduced from 6 to 4. Also a flanking force has successfully cut the road from Canton to Hong Kong, this should exacerbate the Japanese supply problem. At Sinyang, the Japanese are surrounded, but continue to fight tooth and nail for this strategic city. A few deliberates were attempted by the Allies, but they were rebuffed with heavy casualties, and the forts remain at 6.
Japanese pockets at Kuikiang (18 units/120K troops) and west of Pucheng (2 units, 30K troops) continue to be worn down.
IJN Watch:
-BB Musashi and BB Kirishima sighted in S. China Sea (3/16)
-BB Yamashiro and BB Hyuga sighted in straits of Malacca (3/17)
-BB Musashi sighted south of Formosa (3/18)
Notable Base Captures:
- Rota [Marianas] captured by the Allies (3/15)
- Tandjoengbalai [Sumatra] captured by the Allies (3/19)
- Jolo [Philippines] captured by the Allies (3/20)
Campaign Overview:
Aircraft Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 9,406 [+81]
Japanese: 27,822 [+357]
Ship Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 701 [+4]
Notables: CV Enterprise, CV Victorious, CVE Copahee, CVE Corregidor, CVE Nassau, CVE St.Lo, 5 CA, 14 CL, 29 DD
Japanese: 1,645 [+17]
Notables: CV Akagi, CV Kaga, CV Hiryu, CV Hiyo, CV Junyo, CV Soryu, CV Shokaku, CV Zuikaku, CVL Shoho, CVL Ryuho, CVL Ryujo, CVL Zuiho, CVE Hosho, CVE Taiyo, BB Fuso, BB Haruna, BB Hiei, BB Kongo, BB Mutsu, BB Nagato, BB Yamato, BB Musashi, 18 CA, 22 CL, 51 DD
Army Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 11,442 [+62]
Japanese: 15,786 [+300]
A/J Ratio: 0.72 to 1
VP Totals [change]:
Allies: 78,454 [+862]
Japanese: 34,625 [+181]
A/J Ratio: 2.27 to 1
Operation Chimera:
Phase 1A:
-Assault & Capture Cotabato [COMPLETE]
-Secure Mindano [COMPLETE]
Phase 1B:
-Assault & Capture Balikpapan
-Assault & Capture Jolo [COMPLETE]
-Reinforce Brunei [COMPLETE]
Phase 1C:
-Assault & Capture Watampone [COMPLETE]
-Assault & Capture Kolaka [COMPLETE]
-Assault & Capture Makassar [IN PROGRESS – AV 278:183 Forts unknown]
-Assault & Capture Kendari [COMPLETE]
Operation Harbinger:
Phase 1:
-Assault & Capture Legaspi [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Atimonian [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Lingayen [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Aparri [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Manilla
Phase 2a:
-Assault & Capture Ishigaki
-Assault & Capture Miyako-Jima
Phase 2b:
-Assault & Capture Okinawa
-Assault & Capture Amami-Oshima
Other Notes:
-Sub picket lines in the South China Sea account for 10 ships this week [1-AK, 1-BB, 2-E, and 6-TK]
North Pacific:
No IJN activity.
Central Pacific:
Two fully prepped New Zealand battalions land at Rota and quickly take the base and destroy 50 planes on the ground. The defenders were just support forces low on supply, and the commonwealth forces made quick work of them.
The Luzon invasion is ready to commence. Assault troops are loading at Guam and Tinian for the first two targets, Legaspi and Atimonian. 2 ASW Task forces lead 10 fleet carriers, 2 CVLs, 9 CVEs, 9 BBs. All this is protecting the vulnerable amphibious fleets, which hold 3 infantry divisions (6th 32nd, 37th) along with engineers, artillery and AA.
The plan is to hit Legaspi first, then the Allied battlegroup will move about the left flank and conduct a landing at Atimonian. Meanwhile the transports (and their CVE escorts) from the Legaspi landing will head back to Saipan to pick up the Aparri force. If all goes well, the Atimonian landings will be finishing up just as the transports are coming back from Saipan, and the groups can unite and head to Aparri. Sounds like a perfect plan…and that has me a little worried.
Southern Pacific:
No IJN activity.
South-West Pacific:
In the Celebes, the Allies force at Kendari begins the overland march to Makassar. All assault shipping is currently being used for the Luzon invasions, so the Celebes force has to hoof it.
Japanese resistance collapses on Jolo, and the Allies take it after assaults on successive days. Damage is 100 on all base facilities, so engineers will have their hands full for a bit.
SE Asia/China:
The advance down the Malayan peninsula continues. The Japanese 2nd Guards Division surrounded NE of Alor Star finally surrenders. The other enemy troops surrounded at Alor Star are being ground down by over 2,300 AV of British & Commonwealth troops. The other element of the Allied force on Malaya is pushing the enemy SW from Kota Bharu and is now one hex from Temuloh.
In Sumatra the 81st and 11th Divisions assault Sabang three times this week and reduce the defenders AV from 430 to 255 and forts from 7 to 5. To the south, Merrill’s Marauders reach and capture Tandjoengbalai, where they take a breather to recover disablements.
BBs Yamashiro and Hyuga show up near Malacca and puff out their chests, strutting around but ultimately doing nothing. Meanwhile BB Musashi tries to run the sub gauntlet in the South China Sea to get back to the safety of the home islands. She pays a hefty price for this gamble, as SS Pampinito puts two fish into her near Puerto Princesa. Then two days later SS Drum hit her with 1 (no explosion) and SS Grampus hits her with two more. Intel reports she sank a day later near Orchid Island.
In northern China, the Chinese consolidate their gains near Suchow and switch to a defensive posture, while a minor advance continues near Paotow towards Kweisui.
In southern China, 2 deliberate assaults are attempted by the Allies at Canton. The Allies lose 7K troops (53 squads destroyed/726 disabled), and the Japanese lose 5K (2 squads destroyed, 98 Disabled), but the good news is the forts are reduced from 6 to 4. Also a flanking force has successfully cut the road from Canton to Hong Kong, this should exacerbate the Japanese supply problem. At Sinyang, the Japanese are surrounded, but continue to fight tooth and nail for this strategic city. A few deliberates were attempted by the Allies, but they were rebuffed with heavy casualties, and the forts remain at 6.
Japanese pockets at Kuikiang (18 units/120K troops) and west of Pucheng (2 units, 30K troops) continue to be worn down.
IJN Watch:
-BB Musashi and BB Kirishima sighted in S. China Sea (3/16)
-BB Yamashiro and BB Hyuga sighted in straits of Malacca (3/17)
-BB Musashi sighted south of Formosa (3/18)
Notable Base Captures:
- Rota [Marianas] captured by the Allies (3/15)
- Tandjoengbalai [Sumatra] captured by the Allies (3/19)
- Jolo [Philippines] captured by the Allies (3/20)
Campaign Overview:
Aircraft Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 9,406 [+81]
Japanese: 27,822 [+357]
Ship Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 701 [+4]
Notables: CV Enterprise, CV Victorious, CVE Copahee, CVE Corregidor, CVE Nassau, CVE St.Lo, 5 CA, 14 CL, 29 DD
Japanese: 1,645 [+17]
Notables: CV Akagi, CV Kaga, CV Hiryu, CV Hiyo, CV Junyo, CV Soryu, CV Shokaku, CV Zuikaku, CVL Shoho, CVL Ryuho, CVL Ryujo, CVL Zuiho, CVE Hosho, CVE Taiyo, BB Fuso, BB Haruna, BB Hiei, BB Kongo, BB Mutsu, BB Nagato, BB Yamato, BB Musashi, 18 CA, 22 CL, 51 DD
Army Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 11,442 [+62]
Japanese: 15,786 [+300]
A/J Ratio: 0.72 to 1
VP Totals [change]:
Allies: 78,454 [+862]
Japanese: 34,625 [+181]
A/J Ratio: 2.27 to 1
Operation Chimera:
Phase 1A:
-Assault & Capture Cotabato [COMPLETE]
-Secure Mindano [COMPLETE]
Phase 1B:
-Assault & Capture Balikpapan
-Assault & Capture Jolo [COMPLETE]
-Reinforce Brunei [COMPLETE]
Phase 1C:
-Assault & Capture Watampone [COMPLETE]
-Assault & Capture Kolaka [COMPLETE]
-Assault & Capture Makassar [IN PROGRESS – AV 278:183 Forts unknown]
-Assault & Capture Kendari [COMPLETE]
Operation Harbinger:
Phase 1:
-Assault & Capture Legaspi [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Atimonian [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Lingayen [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Aparri [Forces assembling in Marianas]
-Assault & Capture Manilla
Phase 2a:
-Assault & Capture Ishigaki
-Assault & Capture Miyako-Jima
Phase 2b:
-Assault & Capture Okinawa
-Assault & Capture Amami-Oshima
Other Notes:
-Sub picket lines in the South China Sea account for 10 ships this week [1-AK, 1-BB, 2-E, and 6-TK]
You say we're surrounded?
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI
... amphibious fleets, which hold 3 infantry divisions (6th 32nd, 37th) along with engineers, artillery and AA.
You don't say it here, at least not explicitly, but I hope you are bringing air and naval support units as well. It's critical to get LBA fighter cover ASAP to relieve the burden on your carriers. And the naval support will help to make the unloading of follow-up units go a lot faster.
I'm still skeptical the Musashi went down. It (and Yamato) are both very hard to sink. But it is surely knocked out of action for a long time, and that is the really important thing.
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RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI
Why are your supply and fuel stocks so low, especially at Pearl?
I'm at December 12, 1945 in my current Ironman AI game with the following levels:
Pearl: 10 million supply - 5 million fuel.
Tinian: 750k supply (main B29 base)
Guam: 350k supply - 400k fuel
Agrihan: 250k supply - 250k fuel
Naha: 750k supply - 400k fuel
Nagasaki: 500k supply - 500k fuel
Shimoniseki: 300k supply - 200k fuel
Tokoyama: 500k supply - 150k fuel
Have you not been establishing Continuous Supply convoys to your major hubs?
In addition to the CS TF plying back and forth between SanFran and my major forward hubs, by this time in the game I have 22 independent Supply Divisions plying back and forth between San Fran and the front lines each consisting of 40 Liberty or Victory ships with escorts. Each carries 250k supply and 20k fuel with the Victory ship TFs carrying slightly more.
This equates to 5.5 million supply being moved with each run of all SupDivs. Obviously they aren't all moving in concert, but the total supply on the move at any given time is massive.
I have somewhere around 8 Fuel Divisions moving anywhere from 170k to 325k fuel each.
The Americans have more than sufficient ships to move massive amounts of supply and fuel. Your stated totals look like you didn't make much effort to utilize the available assets.
I'm at December 12, 1945 in my current Ironman AI game with the following levels:
Pearl: 10 million supply - 5 million fuel.
Tinian: 750k supply (main B29 base)
Guam: 350k supply - 400k fuel
Agrihan: 250k supply - 250k fuel
Naha: 750k supply - 400k fuel
Nagasaki: 500k supply - 500k fuel
Shimoniseki: 300k supply - 200k fuel
Tokoyama: 500k supply - 150k fuel
Have you not been establishing Continuous Supply convoys to your major hubs?
In addition to the CS TF plying back and forth between SanFran and my major forward hubs, by this time in the game I have 22 independent Supply Divisions plying back and forth between San Fran and the front lines each consisting of 40 Liberty or Victory ships with escorts. Each carries 250k supply and 20k fuel with the Victory ship TFs carrying slightly more.
This equates to 5.5 million supply being moved with each run of all SupDivs. Obviously they aren't all moving in concert, but the total supply on the move at any given time is massive.
I have somewhere around 8 Fuel Divisions moving anywhere from 170k to 325k fuel each.
The Americans have more than sufficient ships to move massive amounts of supply and fuel. Your stated totals look like you didn't make much effort to utilize the available assets.
Hans
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI
ORIGINAL: jwolf
... amphibious fleets, which hold 3 infantry divisions (6th 32nd, 37th) along with engineers, artillery and AA.
You don't say it here, at least not explicitly, but I hope you are bringing air and naval support units as well. It's critical to get LBA fighter cover ASAP to relieve the burden on your carriers. And the naval support will help to make the unloading of follow-up units go a lot faster.
I'm still skeptical the Musashi went down. It (and Yamato) are both very hard to sink. But it is surely knocked out of action for a long time, and that is the really important thing.
Correct sir, I should have mentioned support units. I've got air support & base forces en route to each base. They aren't fully prepped so they are strat loaded and will disembark once their target base is captured. I didn't send any naval support yet, as I have them in the Marianas and Mindano. But I will definitely send some to Luzon as soon as the amphibious ops wind down.
I totally agree with you about the Musashi, shes a tough broad. Although I have pretty good recon in the South China Sea/Formosa area and I haven't picked up any scent at all. I have Musashi on my sunk ship list for now, but I will monitor and update it if necessary. Plus, like you said, if shes in the yards for the rest of the war, thats just as good as a sinking (except for the VP haul).
Why are your supply and fuel stocks so low, especially at Pearl?
I'm at December 12, 1945 in my current Ironman AI game with the following levels:
Pearl: 10 million supply - 5 million fuel.
Tinian: 750k supply (main B29 base)
Guam: 350k supply - 400k fuel
Agrihan: 250k supply - 250k fuel
Naha: 750k supply - 400k fuel
Nagasaki: 500k supply - 500k fuel
Shimoniseki: 300k supply - 200k fuel
Tokoyama: 500k supply - 150k fuel
Have you not been establishing Continuous Supply convoys to your major hubs?
In addition to the CS TF plying back and forth between SanFran and my major forward hubs, by this time in the game I have 22 independent Supply Divisions plying back and forth between San Fran and the front lines each consisting of 40 Liberty or Victory ships with escorts. Each carries 250k supply and 20k fuel with the Victory ship TFs carrying slightly more.
This equates to 5.5 million supply being moved with each run of all SupDivs. Obviously they aren't all moving in concert, but the total supply on the move at any given time is massive.
I have somewhere around 8 Fuel Divisions moving anywhere from 170k to 325k fuel each.
The Americans have more than sufficient ships to move massive amounts of supply and fuel. Your stated totals look like you didn't make much effort to utilize the available assets.
I have to admit Hans, you kinda burst my bubble on the supply thing. While I am by no means an expert, I felt like in my first grand campaign I have been doing above average in the supply department. I've had no issues (with fuel or supply) conducting an increased 1944 operations tempo, and all my supply ships are in use. I normally collect xAKs in SF and then once about 10 xAKs are present, I form them into a CS TF and put them to work. While you are about a year and a half ahead of me in game time, the data you present will make me re-evaluate my supply situation. I have time to catch up, but the continuing ramp up of Allied operations will probably nullify this. Only time will tell.
One thing to note: actual game time is 3/31/1944 and the supply levels at the forward bases do look a bit better than my 3/1 report (there were a bunch of supply TFs in route from SF to the Marianas at the beginning of march). Below is a quick snippet of the changes:
-The Marianas are now at 1.5 million supply and about 900K fuel (and this is after the Luzon invasions have refueled and departed with 150K supply)
-Mindano and Celebes are both near 120K supply and climbing.
-Sumatra is near 500K supply
The only anomaly to this trend is Pearl Harbor, which is at 4.5 million supply and 6 million fuel. The drop in supply is a direct result of the seizure of Marcus. Now I have convoys at SF going straight to the Marianas, instead of dropping it off at Pearl and having another convoy shuttle it from Pearl to the Marianas.
I am interested to hear about your supply/fuel division TFs. Why do you operate these separately from the CS supply runs you have set up?
You say we're surrounded?
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI - War in the Pacific: Admirals Edition
Hello Hans,
Quick question regarding to dealing with the Loads of IBoats the AI stacks up around Pearl at the beginning...
1) What is a decent reaction range for ASW ops against the subs?
2) Best to send out as many single ship DD ASW or multiple DD TF's
3) For search efforts is it preferable to set specific search arcs for any surviving PBY's or not select arcs?
4) Best altitude for PBY Naval Search/Attack missions against the subs?
Thanks in advance in helping new folks to the game!
Quick question regarding to dealing with the Loads of IBoats the AI stacks up around Pearl at the beginning...
1) What is a decent reaction range for ASW ops against the subs?
2) Best to send out as many single ship DD ASW or multiple DD TF's
3) For search efforts is it preferable to set specific search arcs for any surviving PBY's or not select arcs?
4) Best altitude for PBY Naval Search/Attack missions against the subs?
Thanks in advance in helping new folks to the game!
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI - War in the Pacific: Admirals Edition
Welcome to the thread Aksully!
1. I found that if I gave my ASW task forces a patrol zone, with a reaction range of 2, it worked very well. I spaced my ASW task forces about 2 hexes apart, covering the inbound shipping routes (N.East) and the outbound shipping routes (West and S.West). In addition, I had 2 roving ASW TFs that I would vector onto any subs shown on the map. Allied ASW skills are pretty dismal at first, but they will get better, and the more they attack enemy subs, the better they get.
2. Following advice I received on this forum, I used TFs of 3 DD's and gave them commanders with good naval & aggression ratings.
3. I've read many discussions on this topic and decided I would not use specific search arcs at Pearl. My reasoning is this: Specific search arcs at their highest effectiveness when you can narrow down the search vectors, and even then, their effectiveness versus 'no search arcs' is debatable. However at Pearl, you will find that the IJN subs will pop up all around the compass, so setting specific arcs will possibly leave certain areas weakly reconned. I've found that early in the war, your best defense against subs is to simply spot them from the air. if they are spotted, they will have a harder time making successful intercepts of your merchants.
4. I use 1,000' for my ASW search altitude. I've also used 100' but in my humble opinion, that it is too low and I found I didn't get as many sub spottings. I've tried higher altitudes as well (up to about 6,000'), the thought here is it allows the search planes to scan more ocean, but too high and the planes can't spot a lone sub anyway. I have found 1000' is a good middle ground. Remember its not paramount that your planes attack the enemy subs, spotting them and forcing them to dive is almost as good. If they're spotted, they will have a harder time making their attack runs, and it will allow you to vector in your roving ASW TFs.
As always, this is just my experience, and I welcome any other fourumites to chime in with their perspectives.
1. I found that if I gave my ASW task forces a patrol zone, with a reaction range of 2, it worked very well. I spaced my ASW task forces about 2 hexes apart, covering the inbound shipping routes (N.East) and the outbound shipping routes (West and S.West). In addition, I had 2 roving ASW TFs that I would vector onto any subs shown on the map. Allied ASW skills are pretty dismal at first, but they will get better, and the more they attack enemy subs, the better they get.
2. Following advice I received on this forum, I used TFs of 3 DD's and gave them commanders with good naval & aggression ratings.
3. I've read many discussions on this topic and decided I would not use specific search arcs at Pearl. My reasoning is this: Specific search arcs at their highest effectiveness when you can narrow down the search vectors, and even then, their effectiveness versus 'no search arcs' is debatable. However at Pearl, you will find that the IJN subs will pop up all around the compass, so setting specific arcs will possibly leave certain areas weakly reconned. I've found that early in the war, your best defense against subs is to simply spot them from the air. if they are spotted, they will have a harder time making successful intercepts of your merchants.
4. I use 1,000' for my ASW search altitude. I've also used 100' but in my humble opinion, that it is too low and I found I didn't get as many sub spottings. I've tried higher altitudes as well (up to about 6,000'), the thought here is it allows the search planes to scan more ocean, but too high and the planes can't spot a lone sub anyway. I have found 1000' is a good middle ground. Remember its not paramount that your planes attack the enemy subs, spotting them and forcing them to dive is almost as good. If they're spotted, they will have a harder time making their attack runs, and it will allow you to vector in your roving ASW TFs.
As always, this is just my experience, and I welcome any other fourumites to chime in with their perspectives.
You say we're surrounded?
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
Excellent!
That means we can attack in any direction.
RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI - War in the Pacific: Admirals Edition
Thanks Schlussel I really appreciate the clarification! I'm storing your comments in my Databank! Hope all is well there in Sacramento. I loved the city when I was stationed at Travis AFB back in the early 80's!
Have a great weekend!
Have a great weekend!
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RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI - War in the Pacific: Admirals Edition
Supply Divisions:
The idea for supply divisions started in at a point where I already had CS convoys established to all of my forward hubs and Liberty ships started accumulating in San Fran.
I use SF as my main supply hub and LA as my main fuel hub as each seemed to be the main centers where those commodities accumulated most heavily. This resulted in my sending every new xAK to SF and every new tanker to LA.
As the liberty ship buildup increased and I started needing very large allotments of supply to accompany invasions I decided to form SupDivs to operate with my CarDivs, BatDivs, CruDivs and such as I moved to secure new footholds. 40 Liberty ships equates to an even quarter million supply and 20k fuel and seemed reasonably sized without being gargantuan. At first I added 8 escorts to each, but have since scaled that back as the Japanese navy's operating area has become restricted to the HI in late '45.
Victory ships start arriving long after the Liberty ships start accumulating. You don't get them in as large a volume as the Liberty ships. They have slightly shorter legs than the Liberties, but carry slightly more cargo and fuel and are much faster. I think 2 of my 22 SupDivs are filled with Victory ships.
As my SupDivs accumulated I was able to move allotments of 1-2 million supply at one time in one operation without putting any strain on the infrastructure. When I came to the Marianas in late summer of '44 I brought 2 million supply along in the initial wave followed pretty quickly by another 2 million. Once established in the Marianas my SupDivs started plying back and forth between SF and Guam, arriving but not unloading, so I could have a huge aboard ship stockpile there to support the next moves.
I brought 2 million supply with me to Okinawa and sent another 2 million to China once I was established at Okinawa. The invasion of Kyushu brought another 4 million. The massive size of the American navy in late 45 is staggering.
The idea for supply divisions started in at a point where I already had CS convoys established to all of my forward hubs and Liberty ships started accumulating in San Fran.
I use SF as my main supply hub and LA as my main fuel hub as each seemed to be the main centers where those commodities accumulated most heavily. This resulted in my sending every new xAK to SF and every new tanker to LA.
As the liberty ship buildup increased and I started needing very large allotments of supply to accompany invasions I decided to form SupDivs to operate with my CarDivs, BatDivs, CruDivs and such as I moved to secure new footholds. 40 Liberty ships equates to an even quarter million supply and 20k fuel and seemed reasonably sized without being gargantuan. At first I added 8 escorts to each, but have since scaled that back as the Japanese navy's operating area has become restricted to the HI in late '45.
Victory ships start arriving long after the Liberty ships start accumulating. You don't get them in as large a volume as the Liberty ships. They have slightly shorter legs than the Liberties, but carry slightly more cargo and fuel and are much faster. I think 2 of my 22 SupDivs are filled with Victory ships.
As my SupDivs accumulated I was able to move allotments of 1-2 million supply at one time in one operation without putting any strain on the infrastructure. When I came to the Marianas in late summer of '44 I brought 2 million supply along in the initial wave followed pretty quickly by another 2 million. Once established in the Marianas my SupDivs started plying back and forth between SF and Guam, arriving but not unloading, so I could have a huge aboard ship stockpile there to support the next moves.
I brought 2 million supply with me to Okinawa and sent another 2 million to China once I was established at Okinawa. The invasion of Kyushu brought another 4 million. The massive size of the American navy in late 45 is staggering.
Hans
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RE: Back for the First Time – Allied AAR vs. AI - War in the Pacific: Admirals Edition
ORIGINAL: Aksully
Hello Hans,
Quick question regarding to dealing with the Loads of IBoats the AI stacks up around Pearl at the beginning...
1) What is a decent reaction range for ASW ops against the subs?
I set my reaction ranges equal to the normal movement rate of the TF, typically 3-4. No idea if this is optimum, just what made sense to me. Remember to get reactions you need to be Patrolling. If you want to cover a specific hex, NEVER send the TF out to Remain on Station in a single hex. Remain on Station overrides Reaction. In this instance assign a one hex patrol pattern. This is true for ASW, Sub and Surface Combat TFs..
2) Best to send out as many single ship DD ASW or multiple DD TF's.
Never use single ship ASW TFs unless you have no choice. Single ships are nothing but targets for the subs. A dev once told us 3 is the optimum number and the available 4th ship slot is useless to fill. I try to put 3 ships in my TFs whenever possible.
3) For search efforts is it preferable to set specific search arcs for any surviving PBY's or not select arcs?
I don't use arcs. See no benefit in them, especially since even with arcs set you are still searching 360 degrees for the first 4 hexes.
4) Best altitude for PBY Naval Search/Attack missions against the subs?
Searching at the default Nav search altitude of 6k works fine to reveal all subs in the area being covered. ASW missions though are better al lower altitudes of 1k-2k.
Thanks in advance in helping new folks to the game!
Hans