Mike & Mike - USS America (A) vs. Mike (J)

[Mike Solli]

SE Fleet area:

[Mike Solli]

Luzon:

[Mike Solli]

Mindanao:

[Mike Solli]

Malaya:

[Mike Solli]

Burma:

[Mike Solli]

North China:

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South China:

[Mike Solli]

I'm looking at sub efficiency. Basically, do they get their VPs worth. At the start of the war, there are 61 Japanese subs, worth 6, 8 or 11 VPs each. That's not very much. They don't need to sink much in order to pay for themselves. To date here's some stats. (Note that I haven't lost any subs yet.)

The 61 subs are worth a total of 502 VPs. They have sunk 18 ships worth 135 VPs. 14 have sunk targets and half of those have already sunk more than or equal to their value in VPs. The only warships sunk have been 3 DDs, all off Hawaii. I'm going to keep track of this to see which subs are real money makers.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

I'm looking at sub efficiency. Basically, do they get their VPs worth. At the start of the war, there are 61 Japanese subs, worth 6, 8 or 11 VPs each. That's not very much. They don't need to sink much in order to pay for themselves. To date here's some stats. (Note that I haven't lost any subs yet.)

The 61 subs are worth a total of 502 VPs. They have sunk 18 ships worth 135 VPs. 14 have sunk targets and half of those have already sunk more than or equal to their value in VPs. The only warships sunk have been 3 DDs, all off Hawaii. I'm going to keep track of this to see which subs are real money makers.

This is short sighted. They are force multipliers by providing intelligence. [:)] This is a game of intel.

[GetAssista]

Glen subs are worth every VP. Others - mostly in the earlier war while Allies are short of escorts. Long range ones are nice to have ambushes in the unexpected places where Allied player can feel safe.

[Mike Solli]

I agree with both of you guys. Typically, I'm not one to count VPs, so I was just wondering how well subs do in the VP department. I know they are going to kill a lot of merchantmen, and a fair number of warships too, but I didn't realize how effective they were until I realized how low their VP values were. I'm going to track this throughout the war just to see how well they end up doing.

[Bif1961]

I lost a CV to them the first week of the war and they have also sunk 2 BBs, so I would say they are worth their weight in long lances.

[jdsrae]

I’ve seen a bit of sub on sub action recently in the Java Sea. One of my I-15# boats torpedoed a Dutch K boat which was good to see.
Without having to take notes on individual subs, if you sort the ships sunk list by weapon type you’ll see everything reported as sunk by your sub torpedoes.

[rustysi]

Is that 2x45 or 2x90 Jake factories?

Yeah, I was rather vague. I do two factories, one 60, the other 30. The 30 will probably go to the Norm FP (if I'm thinking of the right one) with a range of 15.

[rustysi]

I'm listening to the arguments for the Lilly dive bomber and I'm still not convinced.

As far as a preventative to Fletcher raids, what's to prevent the Allied player from trailing the Fletcher's with a CVTF and providing LRCap?

TBH are 'Fletcher raids' even that necessary for the Allies?

[rustysi]

important thing was 6 airbase supply hits at Manila. Gotta kill that supply!

Indeed.[:)]

[rustysi]

Note that the oil and refinery begin the war at 150(150). So, it'll take 6 months to repair the oil. I'm not repairing any of the refineries. On 7 Dec, I began loading a convoy with 120k supplies for Miri. That convoy is 2 hexes off the coast of Miri and will begin unloading on 22 Dec. I want that oil repaired as soon as possible!

I've also dispatched 20x 1250 capacity TKs from Takao to start hauling oil and fuel as soon as possible. I'll have a number of ASW TFs and some naval search there as well to keep enemy sub DL up.

Mike, all those vessels loading/unloading may get in each others way at Miri. Try unloading the supply at the base next door (forget its name) and it'll 'flow' to Miri if you turn its supply 'spinners' up. In addition if you can get some NS to that base the supply will unload quicker. Not so at Miri as NS won't assist sps(0) ports any longer.

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

Note that the oil and refinery begin the war at 150(150). So, it'll take 6 months to repair the oil. I'm not repairing any of the refineries. On 7 Dec, I began loading a convoy with 120k supplies for Miri. That convoy is 2 hexes off the coast of Miri and will begin unloading on 22 Dec. I want that oil repaired as soon as possible!

I've also dispatched 20x 1250 capacity TKs from Takao to start hauling oil and fuel as soon as possible. I'll have a number of ASW TFs and some naval search there as well to keep enemy sub DL up.

Mike, all those vessels loading/unloading may get in each others way at Miri. Try unloading the supply at the base next door (forget its name) and it'll 'flow' to Miri if you turn its supply 'spinners' up. In addition if you can get some NS to that base the supply will unload quicker. Not so at Miri as NS won't assist sps(0) ports any longer.

Yep, but it's not as bad as it sounds. The 1250 TKs will be in 4 TFs each of 5 TKs and an escort split evenly between Miri and Brunei. One port accumulates oil and the other, fuel. It works well. I'll replace them with Std C TKs when they become available.

The supply will offload at both bases slowly over time. I'll split off a smaller TF at each base that can dock when there's no TK TF there loading. It takes a bit of micromanagement, but I'm all about that. [;)]

[jdsrae]

Minor point, you don’t need to dump 150k of supply at Miri in one go.
The oil repairs only use 1k/day, but I assume you’ll be doing a bit of port, airfield, fort expansion too.
Something like 40-50k/month would probably be ample.
Better to bring the supply to Miri in smaller batches based on the rate you will use it, to minimise spoilage and because you might need some of that supply elsewhere for other things.

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: jdsrae

Minor point, you don’t need to dump 150k of supply at Miri in one go.
The oil repairs only use 1k/day, but I assume you’ll be doing a bit of port, airfield, fort expansion too.
Something like 40-50k/month would probably be ample.
Better to bring the supply to Miri in smaller batches based on the rate you will use it, to minimise spoilage and because you might need some of that supply elsewhere for other things.

Yes, good point and I'm aware of that. I do plan on maxing out the port and increasing the airfield so that the total is 9. And yes, I do plan on keeping the total supply on ground to under the max to prevent spoilage. I know I won't need all that supply for Miri. It will produce supply as well, and the remaining supply will be sent to other oilfields that may need some. I wanted to get the supply to the SRA before Allied subs formed nasty barriers in choke points. This has already happened around Takao.