Banzais Don't Make Victories - Anachro (A) vs John 3rd (J) BTS 5.7

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Can you still rearm torpedoes if the Port damage is 25? I know that once Singapore port was damaged at beginning of the game I could not rearm Prince of Wales and Repulse. They had to flee to Colombo with no main armament ammo! Fortunately the IJN had their SCTFs elsewhere.

BB I am not really sure.[&:] I know Singers is damaged at game start (50%?) so that would be a pretty big hit on rearming I would think.

Colombo is significantly less damaged (by half). I kind of figured that the Allies would have some AD or AKEs at Triv they could run in, but that is not the case....

I am not sure what the formula is for reducing the rearm points for damage on the port. I believe that for a lot of calculations any damage on a port reduces the effective size of the port by 1 but I don't think that holds for rearming.

A little entry in the manual at section 9.3.3 (just below the table) says a port with 10% damage would have its capacities reduced 10%. Since the table above it includes rearm level, I presume that adjustment applies to that ability too, and can be extrapolated to the 25% damage at Colombo.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Can you still rearm torpedoes if the Port damage is 25? I know that once Singapore port was damaged at beginning of the game I could not rearm Prince of Wales and Repulse. They had to flee to Colombo with no main armament ammo! Fortunately the IJN had their SCTFs elsewhere.

BB I am not really sure.[&:] I know Singers is damaged at game start (50%?) so that would be a pretty big hit on rearming I would think.

Colombo is significantly less damaged (by half). I kind of figured that the Allies would have some AD or AKEs at Triv they could run in, but that is not the case....

I am not sure what the formula is for reducing the rearm points for damage on the port. I believe that for a lot of calculations any damage on a port reduces the effective size of the port by 1 but I don't think that holds for rearming.

A little entry in the manual at section 9.3.3 (just below the table) says a port with 10% damage would have its capacities reduced 10%. Since the table above it includes rearm level, I presume that adjustment applies to that ability too, and can be extrapolated to the 25% damage at Colombo.

Stock scen 1, first turn:

Do you think the rearm display is bugged? Or first turn strangeness? There is 200+ Naval Support present at Singers too!

Or there could be an increasing penalty..not additive?

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: Lowpe





BB I am not really sure.[&:] I know Singers is damaged at game start (50%?) so that would be a pretty big hit on rearming I would think.

Colombo is significantly less damaged (by half). I kind of figured that the Allies would have some AD or AKEs at Triv they could run in, but that is not the case....

I am not sure what the formula is for reducing the rearm points for damage on the port. I believe that for a lot of calculations any damage on a port reduces the effective size of the port by 1 but I don't think that holds for rearming.

A little entry in the manual at section 9.3.3 (just below the table) says a port with 10% damage would have its capacities reduced 10%. Since the table above it includes rearm level, I presume that adjustment applies to that ability too, and can be extrapolated to the 25% damage at Colombo.

Stock scen 1, first turn:

Do you think the rearm display is bugged? Or first turn strangeness? There is 200+ Naval Support present at Singers too!

Or there could be an increasing penalty..not additive?

I took the manual entry to mean that the effect is directly proportionate to the damage, so 50% damage would mean the rearm level is cut in half. All I know is that after a battle on turn 1 or 2 I could not rearm the big guns of PoW and Repulse at Singers. I had not evacuated any of the naval support either.

[BillBrown]

It looks like to me that the rearm level does not take the percentage hit. The port size takes the percentage hit
rounded down. Singapore starts with a size 9 port and 24 Naval support. The 24 Naval Support provides a rearm
amount of 120 ( 24 x 5 ). The port is then providing 110 rearm points. That is 9 * .50 rounded down to a size 4 port.

[Anachro]

April 9th, 1943

John moves back and (admittedly in his emails) refuels his ships as best he can at Addu, but that's a size 1 port with no tankers/AOs in site, so I doubt how much he can refuel. My recon/nav search planes are taking a lot of attrition from his CAP, so my search is becoming spotty. Will soon have to devote my HBs to recon duty somewhat. For the last 2 days or so, bad weather has prevented by bombers from flying against airfields on Ceylon.

Colombo has no runway damage and now air service damage is down to 89. I could put CAP there and my ammo-depleted BBs so they can re-arm. I suspect John will try bombardments soon enough, at least at Colombo which his forces seem to be moving on. I have two CD units there which won't do much but might help somewhat. I put a lot of DBs at Colombo last turn, but either because of weather or high airfield service damage, they didn't fly against John's unprotected TF. John has 8/10 DL on Colombo, so knows they are there now; he also did a minor nav strike against DDs I moved there, but they hit nothing.



Sigint also reveals a Shokaku-class CV moving to Yokohama, perhaps for refit. Guinea theater seems open.

[Canoerebel]

Do you have enough supply ashore at Colombo to handle heavy air operations for days or longer? If so, you can do there what you did at Trivandrum - take a stand and dare John to come. He won't, I believe.

Supply is the key. If you don't have enough then the option probably isn't viable. If you do, you can make up for other shortages (engineers, aviation support) by bringing them in via air transport.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: BillBrown

It looks like to me that the rearm level does not take the percentage hit. The port size takes the percentage hit
rounded down. Singapore starts with a size 9 port and 24 Naval support. The 24 Naval Support provides a rearm
amount of 120 ( 24 x 5 ). The port is then providing 110 rearm points. That is 9 * .50 rounded down to a size 4 port.

thanks Bill![&o]

[Lowpe]

It can be difficult to get bombers to strike the same turn you moved them, a lot depends upon distance and other factors.

Put lots of mines at Colombo and those CD units will do a lot.

Run something into Koggala at night from Colombo, and once you get going into Trico too. Make sure it is small task forces of PT Boats or DD with threat set to low so they hit and run.

Fun watching this develop...

[HansBolter]

Couple of quick comments:

The 'refueling' taking place a level 1 port with no oilers around is likely just transferring fuel from the longer legged ships to the shorter legged ones.

My experience with air transfers and missions the same day is in line with Lowpe. If the transfer hop is relatively short the mission will likely be flown in the afternoon. If the transfer is long ranged the ordered mission likely won't take place until the following day.

[BBfanboy]

You can refuel larger ships at a level one port by removing them from the TF into the port (disbanded in readiness mode) and just hit the refuel button. Then put the ship back into the TF. Of course a level one port will soon use up its ops points for refueling, but the ships most critically short on fuel can get enough to head for a larger port.
So John is either going to have to withdraw soon for better fueling facilities or bring in AOs/TKs. Good place for subs to stalk or maybe raiders along the west side of Sumatra?

[Anachro]

April 9th, 1943

A good day for Japan, a better day for the Allies. I'm still not used to the long ranged heavy bombers Japan gets and John hits Madras today with Liz's deep from airfields in Burma where they cause decent damage to my level 9 airfields there and destroy 40 planes on the ground. Annoying, but not too horrific. In return, I obliterate the airfields at Jaffna, destroying a large number of Japanese planes on the ground (though some of these might be from other sources too). In addition, my subs successfully torpedo a CVL and a CVE; the CVL is shown to suffer a belt armor penetration and heavy flooding, the CVE suffers an ammo storage explosion. That is nice, but I didn't hear any sinking sounds on the ground. Perhaps I can put them away for good over the next few turns?

[BBfanboy]

Nice to get nearly 2:1 on the air loss exchange but HB losses will make the VP margin less.

Something I meant to mention a while ago - shallow-draft vessels can traverse the reef between Jaffna and India. That might give you an option on PT boat raids or even an invasion using LCIs if Jaffna is not strongly held. To check if a vessel can cross the reef just put one in its own TF and give it a routing to the other side of the reef. If it is shallow enough the routing will cross, if not it will go around Ceylon.

[Canoerebel]

It'll drive John crazy to see his carriers taking damage from your subs. He'll feel a lot of pressure to bring the campaign to a close by either withdrawing or rolling the dice with an all-out attack.

(good job on your day's work)

[HansBolter]

No CAP over your heavy bomber airfield was a major faux pas.

Not a mistake you will likely make again.

[Canoerebel]

The game gets so incredibly complicated for the Allied player as the years go on that mistakes will happen, despite a player's best intentions. This is especially true against an experienced Japanese player, who searches out the little gaps and omissions that will happen from time to time. It's always embarrassing to "walk outside and discover you forgot to put on pants," as happened to Anachro here, but it happens regularly to all players (or at least to me).

[Anachro]

Yes, I keep forgetting about John's long range bombers. There'll be CAP today.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


Something I meant to mention a while ago - shallow-draft vessels can traverse the reef between Jaffna and India.

I didn't know that.[&o]

[Anachro]

Interesting idea. I don't have troops prepping for Jaffna, but perhaps I can do a surprise invasion there if he weakens it enough

[jwolf]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Something I meant to mention a while ago - shallow-draft vessels can traverse the reef between Jaffna and India.

I've seen this with the really little guys such as MGB and ML. It never occurred to me that any transports or freighters could do it.

[Anachro]

Does this happen to everyone else? I feel like my PBY attrition has been more high than usual in this game.

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