The 1001 Carrier Deployment Question / 10th anniversary edition

[geofflambert]

How's this for a UK ship? The Irreducible.

[Lovejoy]

ORIGINAL: Macclan5

Thanks Lovejoy...

Very strong suggestions in there... Congress - Constellation - Chesapeake

Simpler and easy to input.

Flamborough Head not so much though I did use plain Flamborough last game.

Sorry for droning on for as long as I did.

Also a few more suggestions: Santiago Bay, Manila Bay, and San Juan Hill from the Spanish-American War

[RangerJoe]

How about Sugar Point or Leech Lake? The 3rd Infantry is the "Old Guard" that is in the Washington DC area but at the time was stationed at Fort Snelling MN.

Battle of Sugar Point
Date October 5, 1898
Location Leech Lake, Minnesota
Result Chippewa victory

The Battle of Sugar Point, or the Battle of Leech Lake, was fought on October 5, 1898 between the 3rd U.S. Infantry and members of the Pillager Band of Chippewa Indians in a failed attempt to apprehend Pillager Ojibwe Bugonaygeshig ("Old Bug" or "Hole-In-The-Day"), as the result of a dispute with Indian Service officials on the Leech Lake Reservation in Cass County, Minnesota.

Often referred to as "the last Indian Uprising in the United States", the engagement is also the first battle to be fought in the Northwest United States since the Winnebago War in 1827. It is considered to be the last battle fought between Native Americans and the U.S. Army.

The last Medal of Honor issued during the Indian Wars was awarded to Private Oscar Burkard of the 3rd US Infantry Regiment.

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sugar_Point

The Battle of Sugar Point in 1898 between U.S. Federal troops and the resident Chippewa (Ojibwe) Indians was the last true Indian battle in the United States. This is largely ignored in history, quite likely because the Indians won the battle.

https://www.chaseonthelake.com/activiti ... eech-lake/

[fcooke]

Never understood the 'Ranger is too slow for the Pacific' logic. She and Wasp had the same speed and they were limited to the speed of the fast BBs in any case. End of 42 the USN could use every CV available. Anyone have better insight on this? Less belt armor than Wasp, but at the end of the day belt armor ended up not really mattering. anti-torp protection did, as the Wasp learned. And deck armor as well. Curious. Sort of like why Hellcats were generally not used on CVEs. Avengers were much bigger and heavier yet they operated from the CVEs.

[Admiral DadMan]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

It's the Brits who come up with the worst names, but even the Star Trek writers come up with doozies. The Reliant? What's that supposed to mean? Looks like a synonym for dependent.

You write Reliant, and I hear Leonard Nimoy's Spock in my head "Reliant?"

[RangerJoe]

The shorter flight deck and the lower speeds of the CVEs made the Hellcar marginal.

Grumman's TBF Avenger and F4F-4 Wildcat were to equip the escort carriers, as their flight decks were considered marginal for the heavier F6F Hellcat. But increased demands on Grumman for the Hellcat and newer designs led to an agreement with auto maker General Motors to take over production of the Avenger and Wildcat.

http://www.rwebs.net/dispatch/output.asp?ArticleID=22

also:

The FM-2 vs. the Zero

On board the Gambier Bay, Ensign Joe McGraw of Composite Squadron 10 (VC-10) raced for his FM-2 Wildcat as the battleships Yamato, Nagato, Kongo and Haruna and heavy cruisers Kumano, Suzuya, Chikuma, Tone, Haguro and Chokai opened fire with 8-inch to 18-inch guns. His story is excerpted from Barret Tillman's Wildcat Aces of World War 2, which is reviewed later in this issue:

"I got off as the last fighter, I think, as I had to dodge a big hole on the forward port corner of the deck just as Capt. Viewig was throwing the ship into a turn."

Armed with small bombs, 0.50 caliber machine guns and 5-inch rockets, the Wildcats and Avengers attacked the Japanese ships, many FM-2 pilots making strafing runs on the bridges of the battleships. Planes from Taffy 1 and 2 plus those from land bases joined the attack, the carriers of Taffy 1 and 2 landing and rearming the planes as quickly as possible. On McGraw's third launch, his flight was vectored to attack a number of Val dive bombers and Zero fighters. He describes his FM-2's combat with a well-flown A6M5 Zero:

"The leader of the Zeros was good and he hit our division leader in the engine, putting him in the water (he was later picked up). As I had pulled up so hard and steep, I lost my wingman, but avoided the Zeros as they dove by." McGraw described how he got in position to shot down the Zero leader's wingman, and described what happened next:

"That either surprised or made the Zero lead really mad, because he did the tightest turn I've ever seen to try to get on me. Bit I also pulled up into a tight climbing left turn into him, and he missed his shot behind me. The FM-2's tight turn must have surprised him because I got around quickly on him into a head-on, and put a fast burst into his engine. That really made him mad, because he quickly pulled into me in what I thought was an attempt to ram. I had also pulled up hard to avoid him; it was a close thing."

McGraw last saw the Zero smoking heavily and diving for the clouds. He continued:

"I had the feeling he was an old hand and had expected the old Wildcats to be easy prey, so he was surprised and let his temper get the better of him – he probably didn't know about the much-improved FM-2 version. I don't know what happened to him, but with his engine shot up I don't suppose he made it back to base." By dark, McGraw had flown 11 hours in three missions and had to land aboard Manila Bay, his own ship, Gambier Bay, having been sunk by gun fire.

The FM-2 was lighter and faster than the F4F-4 with more ammo for the 4 guns. It also had a more powerful engine.

[geofflambert]

If you could name a ship the Sand Creek, what ship would that be?

[RangerJoe]

If you could name a ship the Sand Creek, what ship would that be?

A Q ship!

[dcpollay]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

It's the Brits who come up with the worst names, but even the Star Trek writers come up with doozies. The Reliant? What's that supposed to mean? Looks like a synonym for dependent.

Ahh, the British have fine names:

Incompetent
Incontinent
Incredulous
Inconsolable
Impertinent
Impetuous

If you want to go Star Trek, how about:
Excelsior
Excalibur

[jdsrae]

I picked mine from some of the original names that didn’t make it to the commissioning day and some other USN carriers that arrive just after the war.
Coral Sea, Reprisal, Valley Forge, Oriskany.

Off on a tangent, I did similar for cruiser IIs:
CAs Albany, Rochester, Kansas City
CLs New Haven, Huntington, Wilmington, Buffalo

For DDs, I named them after friends and family.
I just did a filter for “II” in my excel spreadsheet and there are 23 x DD to possibly rename.
There are also 4 x SS, about 10 xAK and one TK “II”

[geofflambert]

Has anyone named a ship for his cat?

[jdsrae]

Don’t have a cat, but why not give your pbem opponent a laugh.
xAK Grumpy Fleabag?

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: Uncivil Engineer

ORIGINAL: Macclan5

Mostly directed to Allied Players.[8D]

What are some good names for Allied Carriers ? Suggestions ?

i.e. Replacing Lexington II Yorktown II Hornet II assuming you choose to do so ?

I have used American Revolutionary War Battles as a previous theme

(i) Ticonderoga
(ii) Monmouth
(iii) Waxhaws

Once past Lexington / Saratoga / Cowpens / Bunker Hill - all the good names are kinda gone.

"Germantown" "Harlem Heights" "Quebec" "Moore's Creek Bridge" don't appeal to me.

Was there an actual nomenclature adopted for Enterprise / Hornet / Wasp that I have failed to read about (or forgotten ) ? I do know Enterprise is a storied ship name uncertain of the others.

I recall one thread / AAR where the Allied Commander renamed all incoming Carriers Soryu or some such thing - a little маскировка

But I was trying to come up with easier names based on a USN tradition.

Princeton (actual CVL), Trenton, Monmouth, Valley Forge, Brandywine; I'd have to do some research to come up with more.

Reprisal , Fly, Dash, Argus, Retaliation. Alfred , Providence, Alliance, and America are all Rev war American Navy names. Randoplh was named after a rev war ship As was Ben Franklin. , Intrepid was a Barbary war ship , as was Enterprise. Kearsage was a Civil Warship.

[CaptBeefheart]

For CVs I stick to the usual battles. I usually rename my "II" cruisers after U.S. cities I've lived in. I once renamed "II" DDs after friends and family and then decided I didn't want to risk them. So, now I usually name DDs after musicians like Don Van Vliet.

Cheers,
CB

[Korvar]

Here's what I did in my campaign. Since I lost fewer aircraft carriers than was historical, I renamed the one I did lose (with a Star Trek twist), named one after the decisive 'Midway-like' battle in my campaign, and also followed the Revolutionary War names tradition where possible. To increase the immersion, I also created custom insignia/patches for each.

From left to right: CV-18 Valley Forge, CV-10 Enterprise-A, CV-12 Java Sea, and CV-16 Concord

[RangerJoe]

CV-16 Concord

There was a CL Concord.

USS Concord (CL-10) was an Omaha-class light cruiser, originally classified as a scout cruiser, of the United States Navy. She was the fourth Navy ship named for the town of Concord, Massachusetts, the site of the first battle of the American Revolution. She spent the first nine years of her career in the Atlantic as part of the Scouting Force. Concord transferred to the Pacific in 1932, and spent the rest of her career, except for the winter of 1938–1939, stationed there. Her home port moved to Pearl Harbor in April 1940, but escaped the attack on Pearl Harbor because she was in San Diego for an overhaul.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Concord_(CL-10)

[Korvar]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

There was a CL Concord.

I know - I sent it to Alaska. [:D]

[Macclan5]

Thank you all for the suggestions and humor...

CVs

Lots of great suggestions.

CA / CL

I too simply use lesser known cities I have personally traveled too in the USA

Bismark, Minot, Fargo (North Dakota) Pierre (South Dakota) Eau Claire (Wisc) Helena, Butte, Billings (Montana), Cheyanne (Wyoming) etc

I find naming ships after land locked cities somewhat amusing [:D]

DD

I try whenever possible to rename them after important Beer industry founders.

Adolph Coors (Coors)
Adolphous Busche (Bud)
August Krug ( Schiltz Beer)
Jacob Best (Pabst Blue Ribbon)
John Kopp / Andrew Hemich ( Rainier Beer)
and of course ... Samuel Adams [8D]

British Ships

This list below reminds me of an ancient Bugs Bunny meets Wiley Coyote Cartoon.

<< Knock Knock>> Are you IN - genious, IN - capable, IN describable

Perhaps the best name omitted (on purpose) : Impotent ?

Incompetent
Incontinent
Incredulous
Inconsolable
Impertinent
Impetuous

[Gridley380]

ORIGINAL: fcooke

Never understood the 'Ranger is too slow for the Pacific' logic. She and Wasp had the same speed and they were limited to the speed of the fast BBs in any case. End of 42 the USN could use every CV available. Anyone have better insight on this? Less belt armor than Wasp, but at the end of the day belt armor ended up not really mattering. anti-torp protection did, as the Wasp learned. And deck armor as well. Curious. Sort of like why Hellcats were generally not used on CVEs. Avengers were much bigger and heavier yet they operated from the CVEs.

Circa November '42 Ranger was supporting the Torch landings in North Africa.

Early in the war she was busy being a training carrier; USS Wolverine didn't enter service until August '42 and USS Sable until May '43. IJN pilots in the game might magically become carrier qualified, but USN pilots needed some tailhook time.

Then, as noted, she helped cover the Torch landings. At several points she also ferried aircraft to various points in the Med.

Basically Atlantic fleet needed a good-sized deck every so often, and she was the one most able to be spared from the Pacific.

As noted, she did wind up in the Pacific... once the Axis navies in the Atlantic had been more or less neutralized and the RN carrier force was more robust.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Has anyone named a ship for his cat?

In the game taken over by obvert I had a DD named for a former cat friend: USS Thomas O'Malley.