Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[x2oop]

Iran unveiled a new surveillance radar named Falag. It seems to be copy of Russian Gamma-DE (67N6E) radar, which specification is well described here:
http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/air-defence-s ... /gamma-de/

Here is the video of Iranian presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2sJiVTvo6M

[CV60]

Possible errors for DB3000 Weapon_123 HQ-12 aka KS-1A

Manufacturer states Guidance Mode is "All-the-way radio command guidance" (http://chinesemilitaryreview.blogspot.c ... ssile.html) vice SARH as stated in the database. See also https://www.ausairpower.net/APA-HQ-9-12 ... ocId300570 which states: "As the HQ-12/KS-1A is a command link guided missile, which lacks a terminal seeker, the H-200 will provide target tracking, missile beacon (downlink) tracking, post launch missile capture, and missile command uplink transmission functions."

The same source (ttp://chinesemilitaryreview.blogspot.com/2012/03/hq-12-ks-1a-surface-to-air-missile.html) gives the minimum range as 7 km (3.7nm) instead of the 2 nm in the database. The engagement altitude is given as 984-88582 feet, instead of the 200-46,000 feet in the database. The maximum range is listed by the manufacturer as between 38-50 km (20.5-27nm) depending on the target speed. In the database, the mazimum range is 20 nm. THe manufacture claims a max target speed of 1458 knots, vice the database listing of 1600 knots.

[Tookatee]

North Korea is missing the #79 Q-5 (although for North Korea the entry should be called the A-5 as that was the export designation for it.) They received 40 of these aircraft from China in 1982.



Sources: SIPRI Arms Transfer Database, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Pe ... -Air_Force , and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanchang_Q-5

[BDukes]

The above picture is model. I'll see I can find one.

[BDukes]

ORIGINAL: x2oop

Iran unveiled a new surveillance radar named Falag. It seems to be copy of Russian Gamma-DE (67N6E) radar, which specification is well described here:
http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/air-defence-s ... /gamma-de/

Here is the video of Iranian presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2sJiVTvo6M

Seem to be backed up by Jane's toos.

https://www.janes.com/article/90423/ira ... ance-radar

[Tookatee]

You're right, it seems that someone actually took the time to photoshop a background to make it look convincing. I was just looking through Google images for a picture of a Q-5 with North Korean markings and it was the only one I could find.

Irregardless, the sources show that the aircraft has been in service in North Korea under the 86th Air Regiment out of Koksan AB. And they also show the delivery of the aircraft to the country in 1982 from China.

[Tookatee]

The F-5E and F-5F are missing Maverick loadouts and GBU loadouts requiring buddy designation. The F-5 was capable of carrying two Mavericks or GBUs in addition to fuel tanks and SRAAMs or a maximum of four Mavericks/GBUs in place of the two wing fuel tanks, plus the two SRAAMs. Additionally all of the F-5E Tiger II (Tiger III)'s are missing the probe refueling property, despite a refueling probe being one of the specific parts of the Tiger III upgrade.

The #1438 F-5E's and #3599 F-5F's missing loadouts are:
2x SRAAM + 3x 275 liter Drop Tanks + 2x #1906 GBU-12D/B (External designation required)
2x SRAAM + 4x #1906 GBU-12D/B (External designation required)
2x SRAAM + 3x 275 liter Drop Tanks + 2x #1764 AGM-65B
2x SRAAM + 4x #1764 AGM-65B
2x SRAAM + 3x 275 liter Drop Tanks + 2x #23 AGM-65G2
2x SRAAM + 4x #23 AGM-65G2
4x SRAAM + + 1x 275 Liter Drop Tank + 2x AGM-65G2
4x SRAAM + + 1x 275 Liter Drop Tank + 2x AGM-65B

All the Chilean F-5E's and F-5F's except for the #3584 and #269 F-5's are missing the following loadouts:
2x SRAAM + 4x #1765 AGM-65G
2x SRAAM + 3x 275 liter Drop Tanks + 2x #1765 AGM-65G
4x SRAAM + + 1x 275 Liter Drop Tank + 2x AGM-65G

All the Jordanian F-5's are missing the following loadouts:
2x SRAAM + 4x #1764 AGM-65B
2x SRAAM + 3x 275 liter Drop Tanks + 2x #1764 AGM-65B
4x SRAAM + + 1x 275 Liter Drop Tank + 2x AGM-65B

All the Kenyan F-5's are missing the following loadouts:
2x SRAAM + 4x #1764 AGM-65B
2x SRAAM + 3x 275 liter Drop Tanks + 2x #1764 AGM-65B
4x SRAAM + + 1x 275 Liter Drop Tank + 2x AGM-65B

All the Singaporean F-5's are missing the following loadouts:
2x SRAAM + 4x #1876 AGM-65D
2x SRAAM + 3x 275 liter Drop Tanks + 2x #1876 AGM-65D
4x SRAAM + + 1x 275 Liter Drop Tank + 2x AGM-65D

All the Swiss F-5's are missing the following loadouts:
2x SRAAM + 4x #1765 AGM-65G
2x SRAAM + 3x 275 liter Drop Tanks + x2 #1765 AGM-65G
4x SRAAM + + 1x 275 Liter Drop Tank + 2x AGM-65G

All the Thai F-5's are missing the following loadouts:
2x SRAAM + 4x #1876 AGM-65D
2x SRAAM + 3x 275 liter Drop Tanks + 2x #1876 AGM-65D
4x SRAAM + + 1x 275 Liter Drop Tank + 2x AGM-65D

All the Taiwanese F-5's are missing the following loadout:
2x SRAAM + 1x GBU-10 (External designation required)
4x SRAAM + + 1x 275 Liter Drop Tank + 2x AGM-65B
4x SRAAM + + 1x 275 Liter Drop Tank + 2x 1498 Mk20 Rockeye II CB

Additionally all F-5's in the database are missing the following loadouts:
2x SRAAM + 2x 275 liter Drop Tanks + 1x (any of the already available dumb/guided bombs [centerline pylon]) + 2x (any of the already available dumb/guided bombs) (External designation required)
2x SRAAM + 1x (any of the already available dumb/guided bombs [the centerline pylon]) + 4x (any of the already available dumb/guided bombs) (External designation required)
4x SRAAM + + 1x 275 Liter Drop Tank + 2x (any of the already available dumb/guided bombs) (External designation required for laser guided variants)

Image of F-5's with Mavericks




Image of a Moroccan F-5E Tiger III (also missing from the database in its entirety) with the refueling probe refueling.


Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_ ... iger_II%29 and the SIPRI Arms Transfer Database

[Filitch]

New update gives new modification MiG-31K, carrier of Kh-47M2 Kinzhal. Some sources set that modification K lacks radar and gun. fb.asp?m=4670077 But photos argue the opposite. You can see that gun is not removed. So I see no logic towards strategic strike aircraft - remove radar, but leave gun and IRST. I hope this photos give pause for thought and cause revision of MiG-31K avionics.

https://russianplanes.net/id229309
https://russianplanes.net/id229285
https://russianplanes.net/id229888

[Tookatee]

None of those images you linked to show anything different than what Dimitris linked to in that other post. Even if the gun was still on the aircraft, these images you've linked to don't actually show the area where the gun would be located on the aircraft. You already asked once and received a response with several sources all with images and text explaining the modifications, so I'd recommend you get your own sources supporting what you say if you intend to contest the changes.

[Filitch]

Dear Tookatee, I with big pleasure can explain where gun is located on the MiG-31, if it is needed. As I can see - at all of this photos, guns are not removed. At the same time none of Dimitris'es sources dont't actually proves claims 'radar and gun are removed'. And this sources is enough questionable.
For example: one of this sources argues that "For air defense suppression role it can carry up to 6 Kh-25MP, Kh-25MPU, Kh-31P, and possibly, Kh-58 anti-radiation missiles. For anti-shipping role it can carry up to 6 Kh-31A anti-ship missiles. This multi-role fighter can be also armed with up to 3 Kh-29T and Kh-59, o up to 2 Kh-59M air-to-ground missiles. Recently a Kh-47M2 Kinzhal air-launched hypersonic cruise missiles were added to the list of weapons. A singe missile can be carried. The MiG-31BM can also carry TV- or laser-guided bombs. It can use up to 6 KAB-1500 (1 500 kg) or up to 8 KAB-500 (500 kg) guided bombs." How many photos of MiG-31 with air-to-ground weapons you see? How many reports on drills of MiGs with using air-to-ground weapon you read? Could we hope that according this source MiGs loadouts with air-to-ground weapons will be added to database?

[Tookatee]

I'm not here to argue, I'm just telling you basic facts. If you expect any changes to occur (especially when a CMANO dev gave you sources contrary to your position) you have to show sources supporting your position. Right now all you've given is your own opinion and the same pictures that were shown to you before.

[Gunner98]

Is this the gun? Curious I really don't know.

[Tookatee]

The #164 AIM-9J and the #183 AIM-9N have an incorrect maximum range. For both missiles it should be 7.82 nautical miles, as the N variant is simply the J variant's sensor rebuilt with better circuitry and they both used the same rocket motor that burned for the same amount of time.

Additionally the #2287 AIM-9C should have a maximum range of 8.9 nautical miles rather than eight, the #1163 AIM-9D should have a maximum range of 11 nm, and the #1104 AIM-9G and #1053 AIM-9H should have a max range of 9.5.

Sources: Friedman, Norman, "The Naval Institute Guide to World Naval Weapons Systems, 1997-1998, Annapolis, MD: Naval
Institute Press, 1997, pg. 427 ; Jane's Weapons: Air Launched 2012-2013, pg. 35, https://planesandstuff.files.wordpress. ... lejwal.pdf ; "AIM-9 Sidewinder - Military Power." Welcome to the Military Power Wiki - Military Power. August 16, 2019. http://militarypower.wikidot.com/aim-9-sidewinder ; "AIM-9 Sidewinder." Federation Of American Scientists -. Accessed September 1, 2015. http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-9.htm ; "AIM-9 Sidewinder." Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia. Accessed September 1, 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-9_Sidewinder ; "Raytheon AIM-9 Sidewinder." Designation-Systems.Net. Accessed August 16, 2019. http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-9.html ; "The Sidewinder Story / The Evolution of the AIM-9 Missile." Air Power Australia. Accessed August 16, 2019. http://www.ausairpower.net/TE-Sidewinder-94.html ; "U.S. Naval Museum of Armament & Technology." U.S. Naval Museum of Armament & Technology. August 16, 2019. http://www.chinalakemuseum.org/exhibits ... nder.shtml ; "US Air-to-Air Missiles." August 16, 2019. http://www.pmulcahy.com/aams/us_aams.htm ; Flight International, 29 May 1976, pg. 1446. https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive ... 00924.html

[LORDPrometheus]

Low priority but could we consider adding the Saab Swordfish as a Hypothetical unit for South Korea. The plane is still attempting to sell it to someone however South Korea nearly bought it before settling on the P-8

https://saab.com/air/airborne-solutions ... -aircraft/

[Filitch]

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

Is this the gun? Curious I really don't know.

Yes, this is a cannon. For example compare with MiG-31M Izdelie 05 prototype interceptor, note that cannon is removed

[Zathred]

DB3K v478

#1008 R08 - Queen Elizabeth (2018) aircraft carrier has incorrect radar

1) Type 1045 Sampson MFR is incorrect, only fitted to UK Type 45 destroyers, please remove.

2) Missing a Type 1046 VSR/LRR [S.1850M], please add.

https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/the-re ... o-islands/

[KLAB]

A better detail of the MiG-31 gun and IRST. Both appear visible in the photos of the MiG-31K with the Khinzal.
But given that RAF Tornado ADV had concrete blocks instead of radar at one point who knows what's under the surface?

[stilesw]

#1008 R08 - Queen Elizabeth (2018) aircraft carrier has incorrect radar

Gary,

Logged for change.

-Wayne

[CV60]

Minor Error for CDB3000 Weapon_1741 C-601/YJ-6:
Weapons DB states the missile is "Terrain Following" This is incorrect. According to Jane's Weapon Systems Vol 1: Air-Launched, "YJ-6 (C-601) CAS-1 'Kraken',YJ-61 (C-611), 21 August 2013, the C-601 flew at a pre-selected cruise altitude of either 50, 70 or 100 meters. This makes sense, as it was an anti-ship missile derived from the SS-N-2C Styx, so it had no need to have a terrain following capability. Also, Jane's gives a range of 54 nm, vice 60 in the database, and a minimum range of 25 km (13.5 nm) vice the 5 nm minimum range in the database. Jane's also gives the launch envelope as being betwwen 3,000-30,0000 feet, vice the database claim of 1500-55000 feet.


Edit: Further research (actually just re-reading the Jane's article more closely) indicates the C-601 may have a maximum range of 120 km ( 64.8 nm) when released from "high altitude"). According to Janes, after release, the C-601 glides to 850 meters (2788 feet) altitude before igniting its motor. Presumably, the increase in range from 54 nm to 65 nm is due to this glide. Assuming that a "high altitude" release is defined as release at 30,000 feet (9144 meters), this means that the C-601 has a 2.4:1 glide ratio. In other words, the maximum powered flight range of the C-601 is 54 nm, but this can be increased by an amount equal to 2.4 times the release altitude, up to a maximum of 64.8 nm.

[burningphoneix]

Hello,

I was wondering if it is possible to add the Avante 2200 corvettes to the Royal Saudi Naval Forces as they're most likely gonna enter service with the MMSC they've ordered
Unfortunately I can not post links at the moment as I'm a new account but it's on Navy Recognition.