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Banzai! - Ishimori M. in a Ki-83 rams a PBJ-1J Mitchell for the Emperor
Banzai! - Mitsumasa S. in a Ki-83 rams a PBJ-1J Mitchell for the Emperor
Banzai! - Minami H. in a N1K5-J George rams a PBJ-1J Mitchell for the Emperor
Banzai! - Nikaido K. in a N1K5-J George rams a PBJ-1J Mitchell for the Emperor
Banzai! - Kubota C. in a N1K5-J George rams a PBJ-1J Mitchell for the Emperor
Banzai! - Iizuka K. in a Ki-83 rams a PBJ-1J Mitchell for the Emperor
Banzai! - Chiba D. in a Ki-43-IV Oscar rams a PBJ-1J Mitchell for the Emperor
Banzai! - Miyabe H. in a Ki-43-IV Oscar rams a PBJ-1J Mitchell for the Emperor
Banzai! - Juni H. in a Ki-43-IV Oscar rams a PBJ-1J Mitchell for the Emperor
Banzai! - Iwaya N. in a Ki-43-IV Oscar rams a PBJ-1J Mitchell for the Emperor
Banzai! - Ohashi G. in a Ki-43-IV Oscar rams a PBJ-1J Mitchell for the Emperor
Banzai! - Kabase R. in a Ki-43-IV Oscar rams a PBJ-1J Mitchell for the Emperor
Banzai! - Hyakutake H. in a Ki-83 rams a PBJ-1J Mitchell for the Emperor[/b]

My least favorite part of 1945+. Losing so many good pilots to this tactic. And I haven't really found much in the way to abate the behavior. Basically, as the clock ticks deeper into '45 it just becomes much more prevalent.

Have you any thoughts/ideas on mitigating this?

If it happens against 4E, especially B-29s, I'm fine with it. It generally happens though against front-gunned 2E.

I've had some luck against the A-26 shooting down dozens at a time when unescorted. I think it depends a bit on altitude, and I was trying to set multiple altitudes to get a range of attack types, as well as layers in case sweeps were sent. Turns out the bombers changed a bit too and came up higher, maybe increasing frontal attacks and thus ramming?

So it's a bit of a crap shoot, but may have the result of at least forcing the Allies to escort/sweep more for these milk runs. And on the day results were still better than 1:1, so that's a positive at this stage. Helped to have unescorted DB-3M involved over Sinyang. [:)]
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PS: for 10/45, you are in really, really good shape.

Thanks. The supply is now dipping considerably. No more Manchurian resources or industry. Already low on resources. Fuel fine. Now though some hits being taken to the big industrial centers like Nagoya and Osaka.

So I'll continue to moderate usage, but it's tough when airframe replacement takes so much supply. I do question this decision. Not sure at all why rolling up a fresh airframe costs so much more than flying one. It really dooms Japan in the late game.
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[font="Times New Roman"]October 25, 1945[/font]
More pain for Osaka. A night strike is met by an even stronger NF force with some FB thrown in at the higher altitudes he's been favoring. The Allies have dropped as high as 30k here, which resulted in very few hits, but may be designed to spread out the defenses. Regardless, there are enough hits down low to warrant a continuation of this night bombing tactic. In fact this has been available for around the last 16 months of game time since the Allies had a size 9 field at Shikuka.

With it's huge manpower number and extensive HI/LI, Osaka will take continued damage from these fires. It's already about 1/3 destroyed. All available AA is well allocated here and at Tokyo, with smaller amounts descending in number with importance of target to other bases. Tokyo has a flak number of about 120. Osaka about 110. Other bigger bases are around 55-60, with moderately important targets in the 30-40 range.

On the day the Allies lose another 70-80 4E but do down a number of NF/FB and also get a chunk of strat VPs from the fires. I'll post in info screen soon.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Oct 25, 1945
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Night Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 27,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 44
P1Y2-S Frances x 6
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 41
Ki-102b Randy x 40
Ki-102c Randy x 8

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 FE x 28

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 FE: 5 destroyed, 7 damaged
Lancaster B.1 FE: 1 destroyed by flak


Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Lancaster B.1 FE bombing from 24500 feet
City Attack: 1 x 4000 lb GP Bomb, 6 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
S-901 Hikotai with J1N1-Sa Irving (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 12 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
28th Sentai/A with Ki-45 KAId Nick (2 airborne, 4 on standby, 2 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 18000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
302 Ku S-2 with J1N1-Sa Irving (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 8 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
302 Ku S-3 with J1N1-Sa Irving (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 2 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 12000 , scrambling fighters between 22000 and 28000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
332 Ku S-3 with J1N1-Sa Irving (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 8000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 8000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes
S-902 Hikotai /B with J1N1-Sa Irving (1 airborne, 2 on standby, 2 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 8000 , scrambling fighters between 24000 and 26000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 52 minutes
S-812 Hikotai/C with P1Y2-S Frances (0 airborne, 3 on standby, 2 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 23000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
5th Sentai/B with Ki-102c Randy (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
4th Sentai/C with Ki-45 KAId Nick (2 airborne, 6 on standby, 2 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters between 22000 and 26000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 54 minutes
12th Sentai with Ki-102b Randy (2 airborne, 10 on standby, 3 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 29000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 53 minutes
14th Sentai with Ki-102b Randy (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 3 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000 , scrambling fighters between 18000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
106th Sentai with Ki-45 KAId Nick (0 airborne, 14 on standby, 3 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 27000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes
47th I.F.Chutai with Ki-102b Randy (0 airborne, 5 on standby, 1 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000 , scrambling fighters between 17000 and 18000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
81st I.F.Chutai with Ki-102c Randy (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes

Some CAP have air radar

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Night Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 30,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 40
P1Y2-S Frances x 4
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 35
Ki-102b Randy x 33
Ki-102c Randy x 9

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 FE x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 FE: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Lancaster B.1 FE bombing from 24500 feet
City Attack: 1 x 4000 lb GP Bomb, 6 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 35
P1Y2-S Frances x 3
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 30
Ki-102b Randy x 27
Ki-102c Randy x 11

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3
B-29-25 Superfort x 30

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 22 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Manpower hits 3
Fires 7487


Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 16000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 30
P1Y2-S Frances x 3
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 24
Ki-102b Randy x 23
Ki-102c Randy x 9

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 14 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 20000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 21
P1Y2-S Frances x 3
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 22
Ki-102b Randy x 20
Ki-102c Randy x 8

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3
B-29-25 Superfort x 68
B-29B Superfort x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 26 damaged
B-29B Superfort: 9 damaged

Manpower hits 17
Fires 20730


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 16000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 15
P1Y2-S Frances x 3
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 11
Ki-102b Randy x 12
Ki-102c Randy x 6

Allied aircraft
B-17G Fortress x 34

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17G Fortress: 16 damaged

Manpower hits 1
Fires 18292


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17G Fortress bombing from 30000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Shanghai (92,55)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7575 troops, 416 guns, 292 vehicles, Assault Value = 4580

Defending force 96138 troops, 824 guns, 168 vehicles, Assault Value = 2822

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Ground combat at Swatow (81,62)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 15898 troops, 266 guns, 439 vehicles, Assault Value = 475

Defending force 6639 troops, 39 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 78

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Allied adjusted assault: 604

Japanese adjusted defense: 10

Allied assault odds: 60 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Swatow !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
2913 casualties reported
Squads: 61 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 170 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 18 (18 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
6th Marine Division
2nd Armoured Brigade

Defending units:
87th Ind.Mixed Brigade
22nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
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Some CAP have air radar

When did you start to see this message in your AARs?
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PS: for 10/45, you are in really, really good shape.

Thanks. The supply is now dipping considerably. No more Manchurian resources or industry. Already low on resources. Fuel fine. Now though some hits being taken to the big industrial centers like Nagoya and Osaka.

So I'll continue to moderate usage, but it's tough when airframe replacement takes so much supply. I do question this decision. Not sure at all why rolling up a fresh airframe costs so much more than flying one. It really dooms Japan in the late game.
So my rationalization on this … use as you see fit.

Supply usage for flights in most cases equals the fuel usage. Its actually a pretty good algorithm.

For new, I always looked at it as having to spend the fuel to ferry the plane to wherever it was needed. Yeah, I know when you are replacing planes at Gifu, this doesn't really hold, but when you are taking planes in OZ … anyway that's what I tell myself and move on.

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

PS: for 10/45, you are in really, really good shape.

Thanks. The supply is now dipping considerably. No more Manchurian resources or industry. Already low on resources. Fuel fine. Now though some hits being taken to the big industrial centers like Nagoya and Osaka.

So I'll continue to moderate usage, but it's tough when airframe replacement takes so much supply. I do question this decision. Not sure at all why rolling up a fresh airframe costs so much more than flying one. It really dooms Japan in the late game.
So my rationalization on this … use as you see fit.

Supply usage for flights in most cases equals the fuel usage. Its actually a pretty good algorithm.

For new, I always looked at it as having to spend the fuel to ferry the plane to wherever it was needed. Yeah, I know when you are replacing planes at Gifu, this doesn't really hold, but when you are taking planes in OZ … anyway that's what I tell myself and move on.

[;)]

Yeah. It's all an abstraction. I get it, and I know Japan benefits in the earlier game. I'd almost have it be harder then, or more costly, just so it'd be easier and cheaper now!
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Some CAP have air radar

When did you start to see this message in your AARs?

The first time I used the J1N1-Sa, probably.

It's radar not only works in hex, but helps reaction between hexes. Now the Randy NF has active radar too, I believe, as doesn't the Frances NF.
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[font="Times New Roman"]October 26, 1945[/font]
More night strikes on Osaka. This time, probably due to a number of groups being depleted, crews having higher fatigue, and the increased amount of CAP added, the NF did very well to disrupt the bombing runs. A lot of NF/FB were destroyed on the day, but there were NO hits to the industry in spite of several hundred bombers taking part!! [X(]

Losses were about equal, at 40+ each side, but of course the 4E provide 2 VPs each. So this is a great result and now the fires are nearly out. A lot of extra damage incurred though from the continued burning. I'll post a shot later.

The Allies have now moved a big army into Shanghai, have another big army moving into the central area from the Yangtze across country to avoid my blockade in x3 territory, and have invested Amoy and taken Swatow. They're also moving advance units into Kukong, but have no hope of takin that base yet.

The defense is adjusting, with troops pulling back to the central Changsha area, a reserve coming down from the mountains to sit on river crossings in good territory to protect approaches to Chungking, and moving further to block the troops moving from Sian.
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Night Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 28,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 36
P1Y2-S Frances x 6
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 31
Ki-102b Randy x 34
Ki-102c Randy x 6

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 FE x 17
B-24J Liberator x 23
B-29-25 Superfort x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 FE: 8 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 16 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 5 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Lancaster B.1 FE bombing from 24500 feet
City Attack: 1 x 4000 lb GP Bomb, 6 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 20000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 16000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Some CAP have air radar

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Night Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 27,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 31
P1Y2-S Frances x 6
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 21
Ki-102b Randy x 21
Ki-102c Randy x 7

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 FE x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 FE: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Lancaster B.1 FE bombing from 24500 feet
City Attack: 1 x 4000 lb GP Bomb, 6 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 25,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 30
P1Y2-S Frances x 6
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 19
Ki-102b Randy x 21
Ki-102c Randy x 7

Allied aircraft
B-17G Fortress x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17G Fortress: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-17G Fortress bombing from 30000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 28,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 26
P1Y2-S Frances x 4
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 17
Ki-102b Randy x 18
Ki-102c Randy x 9

Allied aircraft
B-17G Fortress x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 2 destroyed
Ki-45 KAId Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
B-17G Fortress: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17G Fortress bombing from 30000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 28,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 21
P1Y2-S Frances x 3
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 13
Ki-102b Randy x 17
Ki-102c Randy x 8

Allied aircraft
B-17G Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
B-17G Fortress: 3 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17G Fortress bombing from 30000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Osaka/Kyoto , at 109,59

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 24,500 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 5
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 2
Ki-102b Randy x 7
Ki-102c Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak


Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 16000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Shanghai (92,55)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 131441 troops, 2000 guns, 2295 vehicles, Assault Value = 4583

Defending force 96155 troops, 824 guns, 168 vehicles, Assault Value = 2818

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

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Ground combat at Amoy (83,61)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2672 troops, 0 guns, 196 vehicles, Assault Value = 249

Defending force 10533 troops, 64 guns, 40 vehicles, Assault Value = 197

Allied adjusted assault: 53

Japanese adjusted defense: 140

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 6)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
234 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
81 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
150th RAC Regiment
6th Infantry Div /23

Defending units:
86th Ind.Mixed Brigade
41st Army
Amoy Special Base Force

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Here is a look at a few of my NF groups right now, one IJNAF and one IJAAF. I think a lot of players underestimate what the Japanese NF can do against these massive strategic strikes. The can't stop them but they can exact a price.

The J1N1-Sa is the mainstay of the defense with it's early arriving radar sets. The Nick NF can do some damage too but doesn't always make contact early enough to get kills. Still this group has done well. Most of these pilots have acquired the majority of these kills in their NF roles, usually starting at 75exp or so. A few were transferred once NF became available in 43 as you can see by their high mission counts.

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Almost half of the HI/LI now destroyed at Osaka. A few more airframe factories damaged a few points as well, but fires almost out now.

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Here is th industry screen to show a few things.

Firstly, these are the factories that failed last turn, Tokyo being the major problem, with too few resources to run HI/LI.

Secondly, resources dropping precipitously to now only 4.2 million (usually up around 20 million.

Thirdly, plenty of HI saved up to make planes until the end, that is if I can fly them using remaining supply! [;)]

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Do you think you'll have sufficient supply to limp along through November and December? Getting to January 1, 1946 would be a coup of sorts.
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Do you think you'll have sufficient supply to limp along through November and December? Getting to January 1, 1946 would be a coup of sorts.

It's starting to look like I will, but of course I have to see the impact of these recent strikes, and future ones. Tokyo could be on the menu next.

I've been tracking supply all along as 45 has progressed. I guess my forces will use a bit less as well until a lot of Home Island ground combat occurs. If he does land .
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Do you think you'll have sufficient supply to limp along through November and December? Getting to January 1, 1946 would be a coup of sorts.

It's starting to look like I will, but of course I have to see the impact of these recent strikes, and future ones. Tokyo could be on the menu next.

I've been tracking supply all along as 45 has progressed. I guess my forces will use a bit less as well until a lot of Home Island ground combat occurs. If he does land .

I assume you've turned off replacements and so forth with your mainland LCUs?
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I thought it takes supply to pull an airframe from the pool? The
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I thought it takes supply to pull an airframe from the pool? The

That's exactly what I mentioned above. It takes a lot of supply. Much more than it takes to fly the airframe. It starts to see strange when the airframes are being made in the same base especially, but I know it's all an abstract.
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ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Do you think you'll have sufficient supply to limp along through November and December? Getting to January 1, 1946 would be a coup of sorts.

It's starting to look like I will, but of course I have to see the impact of these recent strikes, and future ones. Tokyo could be on the menu next.

I've been tracking supply all along as 45 has progressed. I guess my forces will use a bit less as well until a lot of Home Island ground combat occurs. If he does land .

I assume you've turned off replacements and so forth with your mainland LCUs?

Replacements are off for all except a few that are forming a reserve for Korea. I do have three bases now still getting to level 6 forts. Just spots that don't seem asvulnerable until the Allies are all around the HI. Then a bunch will get shut off.

I've disbanded a lot of smaller construction units to save on supply and restricted most LBA to training and CAP. Not much need for anything else anyway.

I've also withdrawn the majority of training units and converted most F/FB training to kami so they can fly CAP. Has the dual effect of giving a large number of pilots EXP training.

I've been in a resource deficit for a while now so the loss of HI/LI won't hurt too much to start. The resources will just make the rest function and produce. Soon though it'l all start go get a bit dire as more resources on the HI get torched and the HI/LI also reduces significantly in Osaka and Tokyo.
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Dan was rushing off to a funeral and sent the previous turn again. So I'll be waiting a day or two for the next.

Sounds like a very interesting and long-lived WWII vet, his father in law, who passed. I'm sure he's detailed something about it in his AAR.
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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

I thought it takes supply to pull an airframe from the pool? The

That's exactly what I mentioned above. It takes a lot of supply. Much more than it takes to fly the airframe. It starts to see strange when the airframes are being made in the same base especially, but I know it's all an abstract.

Yes the very important concept I see now was buried with a lot of other important stuff. :)

I think it is a real problem for the IJ in the late game and only the wisest manage this well.
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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

I thought it takes supply to pull an airframe from the pool? The

That's exactly what I mentioned above. It takes a lot of supply. Much more than it takes to fly the airframe. It starts to see strange when the airframes are being made in the same base especially, but I know it's all an abstract.

Yes the very important concept I see now was buried with a lot of other important stuff. :)

I think it is a real problem for the IJ in the late game and only the wisest manage this well.

After my game with Jocke I knew of it, but prioritised fuel/oil for continued supply production. In this game with the Northern strategy Dan played so well after taking over I ended up being short of resources, as those were the first big strategic centres he could bomb and take out. Toyohara, Kushiro, Sendai and other Northern bases were hit early, and in spite of a last ditch effort to get as many back from the SRA as I could it may not be enough for the duration into 46.

Learning curves take so long to develop in this beast of a game. In five years if I'm playing another IJ endgame I'll know more, but may encounter something else new and won't be prepared for that. [;)]
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