Movie due out. 1917

[wodin]

First I've heard of it.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sam ... Be-YF7Zur6

[operating]

Paths of Glory was/is one of my favorites. Likely I'll go see this movie at some point, if it's any good I'll add it to my video collection. Lost Battalion was another WW I favorite.. Also, the second version of "Alls' Quiet on the Western Front".

[warspite1]

We've had a brief discussion on this in the WITP-AE thread.

This is called 1917 and so presume it takes place in 1917. That being the case, why are they fighting on, lush, pristine green grassland?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOkun-ZityQ

This is 1917 - where troops literally drowned in mud.....in summer....



.... not this

[operating]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

We've had a brief discussion on this in the WITP-AE thread.

This is called 1917 and so presume it takes place in 1917. That being the case, why are they fighting on, lush, pristine green grassland?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOkun-ZityQ

This is 1917 - where troops literally drowned in mud.....in summer....



.... not this

Yes, I noticed that too, as well as some other sanitized aspects of the trailer. I guess I'm getting passive with all the PC rewriting of history today. I know it's wrong, you know it's wrong, others know it's wrong, but to the unknowing mind it might be OK and that's where the PC crowd steps in.[;)]

[bomccarthy]

ORIGINAL: operating

ORIGINAL: warspite1

We've had a brief discussion on this in the WITP-AE thread.

This is called 1917 and so presume it takes place in 1917. That being the case, why are they fighting on, lush, pristine green grassland?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOkun-ZityQ

This is 1917 - where troops literally drowned in mud.....in summer....



.... not this

Yes, I noticed that too, as well as some other sanitized aspects of the trailer. I guess I'm getting passive with all the PC rewriting of history today. I know it's wrong, you know it's wrong, others know it's wrong, but to the unknowing mind it might be OK and that's where the PC crowd steps in.[;)]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sam ... Be-YF7Zur6

I think PC never entered into the equation - it was all based on budget. First, you have to find a landowner who is willing to let you turn 25 sq miles of grassland into a vegetation-free mudpit; then, having paid said landlord a GoT-sized fee, you have to actually turn 25 sq miles of grassland into a vegetation-free mudpit - before you shoot a single frame of film. Judging from the trailer, they did turn much smaller plots of land into mudpits; but even James Cameron would not be able to come up with the cash for the 25 sq mile mudpit required for a huge pan shot. Another director might opt for CGI, then endure the howls of derision for not keeping it real.

[Gilmer]

Had to be green at some point, didn't it?

[Kuokkanen]

ORIGINAL: KurtC

Had to be green at some point, didn't it?

Yes, sometime before 1917.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: operating

I guess I'm getting passive with all the PC rewriting of history today. I know it's wrong, you know it's wrong, others know it's wrong, but to the unknowing mind it might be OK and that's where the PC crowd steps in.[;)]

warspite1

Not sure about the link between green grass and political correctness. Why do you think this rather rubbish oversight is about being PC?

ORIGINAL: bomccarthy

Another director might opt for CGI, then endure the howls of derision for not keeping it real.

warspite1

I must confess as far as I can recall, I've never heard anyone deride CGI simply by virtue of the fact its CGI - only if it's bad CGI (for example the ridiculous way aircraft can fly outside the law of physics). But I can't see why CGI would be criticised if used simply in order to make a scene - in this case a landscape - realistic.

ORIGINAL: KurtC

Had to be green at some point, didn't it?

warspite1

If that was a serious comment; WWI did not start in 1917 (in the same way that despite what Pearl Harbor and Ben Affleck would have us believe, WWII did not start in December 1941).

The battle of Passchendaele was the third battle of Ypres - and this area had been fought over since 1914.

The landscape was cratered and charred as a result. The subsequent rains in the summer of 1917 turned that brown lunar landscape into a bog that literally swallowed up the wounded and those simply too exhausted to carry on.

Was it green at some point? Yes I'm sure in the early summer of 1914 it was a green and pleasant land.....

[wodin]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

We've had a brief discussion on this in the WITP-AE thread.

This is called 1917 and so presume it takes place in 1917. That being the case, why are they fighting on, lush, pristine green grassland?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOkun-ZityQ

This is 1917 - where troops literally drowned in mud.....in summer....



.... not this

Depends on which battlefield. Passchedeale is the mud one. But we have mennes and vimy ridge before then.

The photos from Passchendeale are always used as examples of the trenches, which isn't the case. PAsschendeale was bad due to arty destroying the drainage ditches plus constant rain through August.

It's a myth that the trenches and no mans land was all mud and had no grass all year around.

Oh there was also CAmbria which would have posssibly been grassland.

Surly the historical research would get this right in the film. SO again I'm presuming this isn't about Passchendeale.

GOing by the picture maybe this is a flashback back to the Somme? As I see chalk overspill from the trenches.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: warspite1
If that was a serious comment; WWI did not start in 1917 (in the same way that despite what Pearl Harbor and Ben Affleck would have us believe, WWII did not start in December 1941).

Just a point of order here. Ben Affleck was a fighter ace fighting the Luftwaffe in Great Britain prior to December 1941. I'll not have you disparage his monumental contributions to the fighting effort, nor will I have you undermine his declaration that we were in a "Second World War" only while he was busy downing Zekes over Pearl Harbor. If December 7, 1941 is good enough for Rafe McCawley, it's good enough for me. I don't know what he was doing beforehand in jolly old England, but that was *not* WWII. [:-]

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: warspite1
If that was a serious comment; WWI did not start in 1917 (in the same way that despite what Pearl Harbor and Ben Affleck would have us believe, WWII did not start in December 1941).

Just a point of order here. Ben Affleck was a fighter ace fighting the Luftwaffe in Great Britain prior to December 1941. I'll not have you disparage his monumental contributions to the fighting effort, nor will I have you undermine his declaration that we were in a "Second World War" only while he was busy downing Zekes over Pearl Harbor. If December 7, 1941 is good enough for Rafe McCawley, it's good enough for me. I don't know what he was doing beforehand in jolly old England, but that was *not* WWII. [:-]

+1 Here, here! Rafe shot down Baron von Richthofen.

[Kuokkanen]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: warspite1
If that was a serious comment; WWI did not start in 1917 (in the same way that despite what Pearl Harbor and Ben Affleck would have us believe, WWII did not start in December 1941).

Just a point of order here. Ben Affleck was a fighter ace fighting the Luftwaffe in Great Britain prior to December 1941. I'll not have you disparage his monumental contributions to the fighting effort, nor will I have you undermine his declaration that we were in a "Second World War" only while he was busy downing Zekes over Pearl Harbor. If December 7, 1941 is good enough for Rafe McCawley, it's good enough for me. I don't know what he was doing beforehand in jolly old England, but that was *not* WWII. [:-]

+1 Here, here! Rafe shot down Baron von Richthofen.

Which reminds me, was there a movie made in recent years about Red Baron von Richthofen?

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: warspite1
If that was a serious comment; WWI did not start in 1917 (in the same way that despite what Pearl Harbor and Ben Affleck would have us believe, WWII did not start in December 1941).

Just a point of order here. Ben Affleck was a fighter ace fighting the Luftwaffe in Great Britain prior to December 1941. I'll not have you disparage his monumental contributions to the fighting effort, nor will I have you undermine his declaration that we were in a "Second World War" only while he was busy downing Zekes over Pearl Harbor. If December 7, 1941 is good enough for Rafe McCawley, it's good enough for me. I don't know what he was doing beforehand in jolly old England, but that was *not* WWII. [:-]

warspite1

You don't know what he was doing there? I thought he was slipping old whatsherface one? Fnarr, Fnarr [:)]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: wodin




Depends on which battlefield. Passchedeale is the mud one. But we have mennes and vimy ridge before then.

The photos from Passchendeale are always used as examples of the trenches, which isn't the case. PAsschendeale was bad due to arty destroying the drainage ditches plus constant rain through August.

It's a myth that the trenches and no mans land was all mud and had no grass all year around.

Oh there was also CAmbria which would have posssibly been grassland.

Surly the historical research would get this right in the film. SO again I'm presuming this isn't about Passchendeale.

GOing by the picture maybe this is a flashback back to the Somme? As I see chalk overspill from the trenches.

warspite1

Leave a concrete pavement for a few weeks and grass and weeds will start appearing. Was the western front a sea of mud for four years entirely sans greenery?

No. But I really don't care which battle this film is set in during 1917. Even if the ground had not been fought over and shelled and pulverised recently, and vegetation was back, the ground was still going to show the scars - uneven, cratered etc.

This ground is essentially a bowling green. It looks quite ridiculous.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: wodin




Depends on which battlefield. Passchedeale is the mud one. But we have mennes and vimy ridge before then.

The photos from Passchendeale are always used as examples of the trenches, which isn't the case. PAsschendeale was bad due to arty destroying the drainage ditches plus constant rain through August.

It's a myth that the trenches and no mans land was all mud and had no grass all year around.

Oh there was also CAmbria which would have posssibly been grassland.

Surly the historical research would get this right in the film. SO again I'm presuming this isn't about Passchendeale.

GOing by the picture maybe this is a flashback back to the Somme? As I see chalk overspill from the trenches.

warspite1

Leave a concrete pavement for a few weeks and grass and weeds will start appearing. Was the western front a sea of mud for four years entirely sans greenery?

No. But I really don't care which battle this film is set in during 1917. Even if the ground had not been fought over and shelled and pulverised recently, and vegetation was back, the ground was still going to show the scars - uneven, cratered etc.

This ground is essentially a bowling green. It looks quite ridiculous.

Whatever happened to 'To the Green Fields Beyond' (motto of the Royal Tank Regiment)?

[bomccarthy]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: bomccarthy

Another director might opt for CGI, then endure the howls of derision for not keeping it real.

warspite1

I must confess as far as I can recall, I've never heard anyone deride CGI simply by virtue of the fact its CGI - only if it's bad CGI (for example the ridiculous way aircraft can fly outside the law of physics). But I can't see why CGI would be criticised if used simply in order to make a scene - in this case a landscape - realistic.

See History Buffs on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCggHoXaj8BQHIiPmOxezeWA/videos. In particular, see his reviews of Dunkirk, Waterloo, and Zulu, praising "the real" vs CGI in epic war movies. If you were to use CGI to create a muddy landscape, you would need to add CGI soldiers struggling in the mud, or else pray that everyone of your 500 extras can convincingly pretend that they are struggling in mud, instead of strolling through a green field of grass. It's hard enough ensuring they've hidden their iPhones and earbuds.

[wodin]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: wodin




Depends on which battlefield. Passchedeale is the mud one. But we have mennes and vimy ridge before then.

The photos from Passchendeale are always used as examples of the trenches, which isn't the case. PAsschendeale was bad due to arty destroying the drainage ditches plus constant rain through August.

It's a myth that the trenches and no mans land was all mud and had no grass all year around.

Oh there was also CAmbria which would have posssibly been grassland.

Surly the historical research would get this right in the film. SO again I'm presuming this isn't about Passchendeale.

GOing by the picture maybe this is a flashback back to the Somme? As I see chalk overspill from the trenches.

warspite1

Leave a concrete pavement for a few weeks and grass and weeds will start appearing. Was the western front a sea of mud for four years entirely sans greenery?

No. But I really don't care which battle this film is set in during 1917. Even if the ground had not been fought over and shelled and pulverised recently, and vegetation was back, the ground was still going to show the scars - uneven, cratered etc.

This ground is essentially a bowling green. It looks quite ridiculous.

Again going by the chalk it could be some sort of flashback to the Somme...

Just saying.

[Veldor]

They Shall Not Grow Old

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Veldor

They Shall Not Grow Old

warspite1

Brilliant - but ball-breakingly sad at the same time....

[spence]

While not exactly the same pristine fields as shown in the pictures above the area around Arras had not been blown to buggery in the same fashion as the area around Ypres so perhaps that is the scene of said movie. IIRC there were some scenes in the trailer that show British troops fighting underground and that made me think of the First Battle of Arras which did take place in 1917 before Passchendaele, did involve "British" troops, involved those troops, at least in its initial stages, attacking out of tunnels dug beneath the German lines and also involved those troops running into the Hindenburg Line in its latter stages.