Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[Hunter98]

a possible addition to North Korea

KN-19 Coastal Defense System, KN-01's replacement with 4x Kumsong-3 (North Korean Kh-35) on ready storage. Cruise Missile capability not confirmed.

[Parel803]

A question: is in the database the possibility to add a oil-platform / oilrig when editing a scenario? Couldnt find it yet.

With Regards

[goodwoodrw]

Parel look under ships and then platforms. Here is an ID 1869

[Tookatee]

The #2640 A 5340 Elettra ELINT ship has erroneous decibel levels for its SIGNATURE values.

Despite its defining quality being the first class of vessel to be powered by two permanent magnet engines that were specially designed for operations at lesser sonar signatures than ships of its equivalent displacement, it's SIGNATURE values are much higher than even many non-specialized ships of even higher displacement. For example, ship #1705 (a standard Italian support ship) that's nearly four times its displacement has signature values nearly 20 decibels quieter and in the database the Elettra itself is currently only five decibels quieter than any of the Nimitz class aircraft carriers (155 vs. 160.) It's decibel values should be reduced by about 30% to bring it in line with a realistic approximation of what a specially designed ELINT vessel of its displacement should have.

Also, upon investigating this I discovered the Taiwan is missing the Ta Kuan, the sister ship to the Elettra, as one of their available ships in the database. She also serves as an ELINT vessel in Taiwanese service, of which entered service on September 26, 1996 (receiving some mid-life upgrades in 2013.)


Sources: http://www.aiad.it/aiad_res/cms/documen ... a_ingl.doc , http://archivio.agi.it/articolo/2d3a78c ... &year=1993 , http://www.pompegarbarino.com/uploads/a ... 202016.pdf , SIPRI Arms Transfer Database, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_s ... a_(A_5340)

[Parel803]

Thank you very much,
with regards

[goodwoodrw]

No probs

[ProdigyofMilitaryPride]

Here's a AAA Facility Entry for Mexico you folks could enter, if you please...
AAA Sec (12.7mm/50 Quad M55 x Towed) (Mexico - 1982?, 50x)
Length: 0 m
Width: 0 m
Area: 0 m
Vehicle/Component Dispersal Radius: 40m

Sensors / EW:
1x Mk1 Eyeball (50 nm)

Mounts:
4x 12.7mm/50 M55 Quad

Magazine(s)
Magazine: 12.7/50mm, Capacity: 400, Reload Rate: 15, Armor: None, Stores: 400x 12.7/50mm M55 Quad Burst [20 rnds] (max 400)

http://www.robertsarmory.com/quad.htm
https://www.marines.mil/Portals/1/Publi ... tudy_4.pdf

[LORDPrometheus]

Just a small suggestion today. A platform I had never heard of before but a pretty neat little UAV.

RQ-15 Neptune
Country: United States
Branch: Navy
Role: Reconnaissance UAV
Design: the RQ-15 is a small short range naval recon UAV active as of 2007. With a service ceiling of 8000ft and a top speed of 100mph. It is shipborne catapult launched and water landing recovered which may be hard to model in game. it however can also land conventionally on land or via a parachute. It can carry a 9kg payload consisting of either visual or IR reconnaissance cameras.

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app2/q-15.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRS_RQ-15_Neptune

[Dimitris]

ORIGINAL: leonardus68
Sorry, I remain on position: a quick fix is the really answer to the problem, because new DB update seems to occur once a year.

I think we have our new DB-editing volunteer. Welcome!

[Dimitris]

ORIGINAL: Parel803
A question: is in the database the possibility to add a oil-platform / oilrig when editing a scenario? Couldnt find it yet.

With Regards

They're there already, but under the ship annex. Look for "Platform - Class [X]".

[Tookatee]

The #65 Alpha Jet A is missing three different weapon systems. It's the attack version of the Alpha Jet that was originally purchased by Germany and has retained the capability to equip the following weapons on all of its wing pylon stations since its adoption into service. The missing weapons are the: #1876 AGM-65D, #1764 AGM-65B, and the #1401 AIM-9L.

The missing loadouts would be:
2x #1521 450 liter Drop Tank + 2x #1876 AGM-65D or #1764 AGM-65B
2x #1521 450 liter Drop Tank + 2x #1401 AIM-9L
2x #1876 AGM-65D or #1764 AGM-65B (with optional 2x #1401 AIM-9L)
4x #1401 AIM-9L
4x #1876 AGM-65D or #1764 AGM-65B (with optional 2x #1401 AIM-9L)
6x #1876 AGM-65D or #1764 AGM-65B
38x #163 SNEB 68mm Rocket (with optional 2x #1401 AIM-9L)
38x #163 SNEB 68mm Rocket + 2x #1876 AGM-65D or #1764 AGM-65B
38x #163 SNEB 68mm Rocket + 4x #1876 AGM-65D or #1764 AGM-65B

Sources: https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/alpha-jet.htm , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault/ ... _Alpha_Jet , http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/ ... ha_jet.htm , SIPRI Arms Transfer Database, and https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraf ... aft_id=344

[Scorpion86]

ORIGINAL: Tookatee

The #65 Alpha Jet A is missing three different weapon systems. It's the attack version of the Alpha Jet that was originally purchased by Germany and has retained the capability to equip the following weapons on all of its wing pylon stations since its adoption into service. The missing weapons are the: #1876 AGM-65D, #1764 AGM-65B, and the #1401 AIM-9L.

My apologies, but I would have to dispute that. My country (Portugal) bought former Luftwaffe A-model Alpha Jets, and even though we had those exact weapons in our arsenal, our Alpha Jets only ever carried dumb munitions. I suspect that those mentions of Maverick- and Sidewinder-carrying Alpha Jets refer to the later MS versions, the MS2 especially being described as an attack-capable version with improved avionics.

[Tookatee]

I believe that's because Portugal only used the Alpha jet as a trainer aircraft (mainly for the F-16AM/BM), while Germany employed them as attack aircraft. That combined with the fact that Portugal does not have large stockpiles of the early AGM-65B or D models (the SIPRI Arms Transfer Database only records them receiving 25 total AGM-65's in 1991), so dummy munitions were likely used as training substitutes to conserve this limited stockpile that's employed on the F-16AM/BM. The newer MS models you also mention were upgrades meant for integration with more modern combat systems and avionics, such as the newer variants of the Matra Magic missile (which I will detail tomorrow in a separate comment on the issue.)

[Scorpion86]

ORIGINAL: Tookatee

I believe that's because Portugal only used the Alpha jet as a trainer aircraft (mainly for the F-16AM/BM), while Germany employed them as attack aircraft. That combined with the fact that Portugal does not have large stockpiles of the early AGM-65B or D models (the SIPRI Arms Transfer Database only records them receiving 25 total AGM-65's in 1991), so dummy munitions were likely used as training substitutes to conserve this limited stockpile that's employed on the F-16AM/BM.

That is incorrect. The Alpha Jet A was acquired from Germany in 1993, the same year the F-16A/B (without MLU, mind you) was acquired. While indeed the Alpha Jet served as trainer in Squadron 103, it served as dedicated Close Air Support in Squadron 301. Although it was capable of ground strikes, the F-16 was used as a dedicated air defense fighter. Only in 2005, when the F-16 fleet underwent the MLU and gained new ground strike capabilities, did Squadron 301 traded in their Alpha Jets for F-16s.

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I can also back up my statements through the Luftwaffe's Alpha Jet NATO manual, acessible at here. From page 245, you can find a chart detailing all possible and imaginable loadouts for the Alpha Jet. It only includes bombs, rockets and fuel pods, no missiles, air-to-ground or air-to-air. You can find a similar chart on page 274 of that file.

[BDukes]

Hi

Look like Ecuador got 2 Chile's old Leanders Frigs in 2008-2009.

Look like just copy of ship #1554
Hulls are FM-01 Morán Valverde and FM-02 and FM-02 Presidente Eloy Alfaro. Notes FM-02 is not same as in DB (#728). That one was decomissioned before accepting new Alfaro in 2008.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_f ... h_(PFG-07)

Recent Photo

https://twitter.com/seawaves_mag/status ... 24/photo/1

Tweet Movie

https://twitter.com/TPM_EC/status/1169998099223339008

Looking at Exocet certaily MM.40 verson of Exocet but likely Blk.1 or 2.

https://repositorio.espe.edu.ec/bitstre ... 004237.pdf

These really like used-used car. Probably bang when they pull into ports!

Thank!

[BDukes]

Ok notices Ecuador doesn't have radar or air defenses in DB yet. How else they kill mosquito!

Sipri DB Sources

Radars
AN/TPS-70 x 2 1995 (tons to copy in DB)
AR-3D x 2 1982 (tons to copy from in DB)
Lanza LRR x 4 2016 (#1872 in DB)

Air defense System
Igla SA-18 Manpad 2009
SA-16 Manpad 1998
http://worldmilitaryintel.blogspot.com/ ... _7267.html
HN-5A Manpad 1994
Blowpipe 1982 (#2387 in DB)
http://worldmilitaryintel.blogspot.com/ ... _7267.html
SA-8-9K33 2001
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KP1m9lPnCVE/U ... 6460_n.jpg
http://worldmilitaryintel.blogspot.com/ ... _7267.html
AAA 50mm Quad (#311 in DB)
http://worldmilitaryintel.blogspot.com/ ... _7267.html
35mm Skyguard (#1082)
https://www.taringa.net/+ffaa_arg/oerli ... -aa_1fou1k
M167 Vulcan 1980 (#2234)

Thank!

[BDukes]

Hi

Look like out of service date for US P-3C is this years.That 60 Years of Service.

https://www.janes.com/article/92051/us- ... 3c-to-p-8a

[Tookatee]

OK, but are you able to back up your statement that the German Alpha Jet I indicated cannot equip the weapons I indicated with any sources? Because all those sources I cited say the opposite as they explicitly define the AGM-65 as one of its possible armaments. Meanwhile, you appear to be now attempting to describe the Portuguese doctrine for how they employed the former Luftwaffe Alpha Jets (which is seemingly inconsistent with other the other source I specified that said Portugal received a very small number of AGM-65's, which would explain their exclusive use of dumb munitions as you stated.)

So basically, just because Portugal didn't use AGM-65's on the Alpha Jet A doesn't mean the Germans didn't or that the aircraft doesn't have the capability to do so. Hence why I only specified the German Alpha jet rather than also including the Portuguese one (because like you've stated, they did not use guided munitions on theirs [because as the SIPRI Arms Transfer Database shows, Portugal did not have a large number of compatible guided weapons for the aircraft at the time while Germany did].)

Also to prevent message spam just edit your last comment with the response rather than posting a new comment, I'll do the same with this comment.

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I managed to get a hold of a Jane's All The World's Aircraft 1982-83 and read that it stated that the Alpha Jet's pylons has provisions to carry air to air missiles and the Maverick AGM, which seems contradictory to what that NATO manual you provided for the aircraft states. I believe this is why all the online sources seem to restate the same thing, as they probably based their info off of the Jane's series of books. Jane's itself doesn't go into any more detail other than stating that it can equip those weapons. And so, because of these contradictory statements it would probably be the best to leave its loadouts as is as that more appropriately conforms to its capabilities in the NATO manual, which I'd trust more than a commercial book on the matter.

[stilesw]

the database for Thailand is fairly outdated

Thanks. Filed for possible future database update.

-WS

[FrangibleCover]

Just been having a play about with the #2514 Tu-16K-10P Badger C and noticed that its aerial minelaying mission has a Hi-Hi-Hi set-up but the mines need to be dropped from 5000ft or below. Currently if assigned to a minelaying mission and allowed to do whatever they like they circle aimlessly at 36000ft and never drop, but if the mission has a 5000ft patrol height set they work fine. Please change them to a Hi-Lo-Hi setting.

Not tested but same issue:
#3140
#154
#3141
#2449
#2450
#3142
#2289
#3143
#155
#3139
#2495
#2299
#2494
#197
#803
#2066
#3299
#2065
#4816
#3308

In other words, every minelaying Badger in the database.