Logistics

[Twotribes]

Is there a way to increase logistics?

[AlvaroSousa]

No that is set as part of what your country can support on the map in terms of supply and Railway capacity. It is a required limit.

For the u.s. is finally important because the US capacity for production is enormous for their capacity to supply units overseas is limited by the US Army during that time only created 90 divisions. If I remember correctly they could have created over 200 but they had no way to supply them over seats and that is where the logistics factors come in

[Twotribes]

The problem was not supply the problem was man power while the US could field 200 divisions it would have seriously effected the war effort at home. The US could not field those divisions with out stripping the home front of man power to run industry, so same effect )

[AlbertN]

What said - for USA was not a problem of logistics but a problem of 'how much' to commit to the war in terms of manpower and depriving families of their younglings.
Whereas Germany and Russia threw men at each other, the Democratic powers were ever cautious in how to use and invest their manpower (Henceforth they should have a manpower limit more than a logistic limit. It's not that USA did not had the population. Simply they had no intent to send bazillions of men into the carnage. A limitation of their 'war machine' that only accrued and peaked up in time with all the subsequent wars. On the paper USA would have steamrolled Vietnam, one may think... but we all know how it went. It was a persistant armwrestle to send more troops and appeasing public opinion. Homefront factors).

I feel Axis powers have quite way too low logistics as it is now - because once you have to defend, pratically you get to defend nothing. So that currently it's pratically -scripted- that the Allies will roll over Germany even if Germany & Italy do really well early on. (vs. a Player)

[TrogusP96]

I think Cohen is closer to the situation. Alvaro General Weidemeyer initially drew up a 200 division army before the Nazi's attacked USSR. Marshall and company presented FDR with three levels for the army (which included the airforce) he went with the lowest 8 million I think, despite the propaganda I read recently contrary to what I believed we mobilized fewer women than Germany, UK and USSR both in military and industry so I agree with Cohen political factors restrained army size not logistics. I agree shipping was ALWAYS a constraint for the Allies. one could argue it was a reason the US held back going for a bigger tank and was concerned about deployments to Pacific where shipping required 2 or 3 times the tonnage due to time at sea from distance.

Funny. At first blush it seems the US logistics are low. The US built soooo much its generally not shown or factored in, ignored or abstracted because if a player could redirect all the industrial capacity used for baby carriers and other shipping that due to Pearl Harbor and U boat were built like mad - well the logistic constraint is really on of time not absolute limits.

Alvaro, what does Brute Force say>

Do logistics returned to pool when Landing ships and tankers are used up etc.

[AlvaroSousa]

Landing ships use no logistics
tanks do return to the pool.

Where did you get Brute Force from?

[aspqrz02]

ORIGINAL: Alvaro Sousa
For the u.s. is finally important because the US capacity for production is enormous for their capacity to supply units overseas is limited by the US Army during that time only created 90 divisions. If I remember correctly they could have created over 200 but they had no way to supply them over seats and that is where the logistics factors come in

Actually, only partly correct.

The US raised 90 divisions PLUS about 90 divisions worth of non-divisional combat units which were usually doled out to the divisions.

In effect, each US division could be, most of the time, about twice its nominal combat manpower.

Then, the 200 (plus, IIRC) divisions they 'could' have raised ... see, they made a choice. The US decided they could raise 90+90 large and largely motorised (with non-divisional transport units for nominally Infantry units) OR they could raise unmotorised units along the same lines as the Germans did, on about a 2-3:1 basis, IIRC.

They chose the fully motorised route.

Also note that US divisions during the war were kept at very close to full TO&E manpower strength whereas German (and Russian) 'Divisions' were more often than not WAY under strength ... especially as the war progressed.

Phil