IdahoNYer vs LST (J AAR): GAME OVER!
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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): No supply, no fuel, no hope
I was the Japanese a few game back and my opponent and I same time were suing for peace at the same time because of a total lack of supplies and fuel I could no longer present a defense. He was about to sue for peace because my almost out of fuel KB was able to defeat another allied carrier TF. So it was almost mutual towels being thrown in by opposing corners in a boxing match.
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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): No supply, no fuel, no hope
Hello Bif1961, I'm afraid my opponent is too cautious and methodical to expose his carriers piecemeal, so far he is using the "Deathstar" approach with all available carriers in mutually supporting TFs in the same hex, covered by multiple TFs including SAGs with BBs, "flycatchers" with DDs to guard against PTs and ASW TFs.
Best hope remains multiple LBA conventional and Kamikaze strikes combined with an all-out effort by KB, hoping to stretch Allied CAP enough to allow something to get trough. For this I need a battlesite in fighter range of multiple large Japanese airfields which are either holding large supply stockpiles which can last through Allied bombing attacks, or a land connection to supply sources i.e. the Home Islands. There is only one such battlesite - the Ryukus including Okinawa - and I'm preparing for it. The problem with such a "set-piece" battle plan is that the enemy may not act according to the plan...
The Okinawa plan also remains a faint hope because he is also methodical in the preparation of the battlefield, with airstrikes and naval bombardments to suppress Japanese airfields in range. I try to keep the Allies air assets strechted out themselves by assigning small air units to bypassed bases to conduct nuisance raids - last turn I managed to sink two Allied DDs off Singapore with a handful of Jakes and Babs on Kamikaze duty. Problem is that the number of bypassed airbases *in supply* is rapidly going against 0.
To illustrate the supply woes, here is the situation at the three bases currently under attack :
Best hope remains multiple LBA conventional and Kamikaze strikes combined with an all-out effort by KB, hoping to stretch Allied CAP enough to allow something to get trough. For this I need a battlesite in fighter range of multiple large Japanese airfields which are either holding large supply stockpiles which can last through Allied bombing attacks, or a land connection to supply sources i.e. the Home Islands. There is only one such battlesite - the Ryukus including Okinawa - and I'm preparing for it. The problem with such a "set-piece" battle plan is that the enemy may not act according to the plan...
The Okinawa plan also remains a faint hope because he is also methodical in the preparation of the battlefield, with airstrikes and naval bombardments to suppress Japanese airfields in range. I try to keep the Allies air assets strechted out themselves by assigning small air units to bypassed bases to conduct nuisance raids - last turn I managed to sink two Allied DDs off Singapore with a handful of Jakes and Babs on Kamikaze duty. Problem is that the number of bypassed airbases *in supply* is rapidly going against 0.
To illustrate the supply woes, here is the situation at the three bases currently under attack :
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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Enter Kamikaze
Sorry, been out of circulation for a bit and just now catching up.ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget
For PaxMondo
So you have million and millions of resources in the HI and no fuel. And you are very low on HI. But the worst is supply stocks in the HI are really, really low. And this is April 44 data. The good news is that you get to experience 1946 early and get some good practice in.
1. suck the fuel out of your ships. Put a bunch of AK's into a port TF. then use the TF that needs fuel to load from them. Then disband when they are empty.
2. Hiroshima has a lot of fuel because you have a lot of TF home ported there. you need to disband those TF's and let the fuel go to Osaka/Tokyo so you get some HI generated.
You don't have your ARM/VEH levels posted, but hopefully they are good.
Without A7M, all you do with the IJN fighters is 5c and 8 versions of the A6M. They won't be competitive, so use them low as bait.
Focus on just building Frank, turn off everything else. You have so few HI, whatever you have needs be channeled into Frank.
Pax
RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Enter Kamikaze
Keep pulling your units back. I would think PI -> HK kind of a circle … maybe even tighter to Shanghai.
Train fighter defense with sweep at 100ft.
Train fighter defense with sweep at 100ft.
Pax
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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Enter Kamikaze
Game has advanced to 20/08/1944
Bangkok, Davao and Cagayan out of supplies and all lost after only two or three rounds of combat.
Thailand and Indochina lost except Vinh and Hanoi area.
Luzon conquered except Manila.
Landings on Hainan, on the Chinese coast at Kwangchowan and on Guam.
And my opponent is asking for it - his Deathstar is in range 7 of one AF9, three AF8, one AF5 and three AF4 bases packed to capacity with figters and bombers on naval attack.
Bangkok, Davao and Cagayan out of supplies and all lost after only two or three rounds of combat.
Thailand and Indochina lost except Vinh and Hanoi area.
Luzon conquered except Manila.
Landings on Hainan, on the Chinese coast at Kwangchowan and on Guam.
And my opponent is asking for it - his Deathstar is in range 7 of one AF9, three AF8, one AF5 and three AF4 bases packed to capacity with figters and bombers on naval attack.
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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): East China Sea Turkey Shoot
And here are the results - even worse than expected.
Note that all pilots on escort duty had a minimum air skill of 70 and a minimum defense skill of 60 and that all bombers and Kamikazes had skills depending on plane type for naval attack, low naval attack resp. torpedo bombing also at minimum at 70. This was the best I could offer in LBA terms.
KB arrived in range on day 2 as planned to engage an Allied Deathstar weakened - I hoped - by the repeated LBA strikes on day 1 - but no daylight air strikes have been launched against the Deathstar on the second day due to weather. Or due to the shock over the losses.
The butcher bill, at least the most important part of it:
A very steep price for three Kamikaze and one bomb hit - like eggs against a wall.
Boy, am I depressed...
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 18, 44
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 116
B6N2a Jill x 33
N1K2-J George x 93
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 24
F4U-1A Corsair x 89
F6F-3 Hellcat x 147
F6F-5 Hellcat x 102
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 3 destroyed
B6N2a Jill: 19 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 32
D4Y4 Judy x 34
N1K2-J George x 12
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 24
F4U-1A Corsair x 89
F6F-3 Hellcat x 147
F6F-5 Hellcat x 101
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 12 destroyed
D4Y4 Judy: 18 destroyed
D4Y4 Judy: 2 destroyed by flak
N1K2-J George: 3 destroyed
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
CA Boise II
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 2000' *
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 39 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 12
A6M5c Zero x 18
B6N2 Jill x 33
N1K2-J George x 18
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 24
F4U-1A Corsair x 86
F6F-3 Hellcat x 142
F6F-5 Hellcat x 97
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 8 destroyed
A6M5c Zero: 3 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 24 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 3 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B6N2 Jill x 33
N1K2-J George x 18
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 23
F4U-1A Corsair x 82
F6F-3 Hellcat x 140
F6F-5 Hellcat x 94
Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 18 destroyed, 1 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 4 destroyed by flak
N1K2-J George: 10 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
Seafire IIC: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
CL Houston II
CA Boise II
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 51
A6M5b Zero x 26
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 21
F4U-1A Corsair x 77
F6F-3 Hellcat x 136
F6F-5 Hellcat x 88
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 21 destroyed
A6M5b Zero: 2 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 195
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 20
F4U-1A Corsair x 75
F6F-3 Hellcat x 130
F6F-5 Hellcat x 78
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 43 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
CV Illustrious
CVL Belleau Wood, Kamikaze hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-43-IV Oscar flying as kamikaze
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 27
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 54
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 17
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 18
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 17
F4U-1A Corsair x 65
F6F-3 Hellcat x 114
F6F-5 Hellcat x 70
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 15 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 14 destroyed
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 11 destroyed
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 11 destroyed
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 2 destroyed by flak
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
CV Hornet
CV Saratoga
CV Robert E. Lee
CVL Cowpens
CVL Unicorn
CVL Belleau Wood
CV Long Island II
Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-48-Ib Lily flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
11 x Ki-48-IIa Lily flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 18
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 20
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 18
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 16
F4U-1A Corsair x 58
F6F-3 Hellcat x 112
F6F-5 Hellcat x 68
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 12 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 9 destroyed
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 13 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B6N2 Jill x 33
D4Y4 Judy x 35
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 15
F4U-1A Corsair x 53
F6F-3 Hellcat x 107
F6F-5 Hellcat x 65
Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 11 destroyed
D4Y4 Judy: 17 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 117 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes
Japanese aircraft
D4Y4 Judy x 24
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 13
F4U-1A Corsair x 49
F6F-3 Hellcat x 90
F6F-5 Hellcat x 58
Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y4 Judy: 16 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 117 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes
Japanese aircraft
D4Y3 Judy x 24
D4Y4 Judy x 34
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 13
F4U-1A Corsair x 48
F6F-3 Hellcat x 73
F6F-5 Hellcat x 55
Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y3 Judy: 8 destroyed
D4Y4 Judy: 8 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 36
B6N2a Jill x 33
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 13
F4U-1A Corsair x 45
F6F-3 Hellcat x 71
F6F-5 Hellcat x 52
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 13 destroyed
B6N2a Jill: 17 destroyed, 2 damaged
B6N2a Jill: 1 destroyed by flak
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
BB South Dakota
CV Essex
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B6N2a Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 114 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 37 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 152
B6N2 Jill x 24
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 12
F4U-1A Corsair x 43
F6F-3 Hellcat x 61
F6F-5 Hellcat x 46
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 13 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 14 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 117 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 18
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 10
F4U-1A Corsair x 34
F6F-3 Hellcat x 46
F6F-5 Hellcat x 39
Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2a Jill: 3 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 39 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 18
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 8
F4U-1A Corsair x 34
F6F-3 Hellcat x 38
F6F-5 Hellcat x 36
Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2a Jill: 12 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 111 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 36
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 20
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 7
F4U-1A Corsair x 32
F6F-3 Hellcat x 33
F6F-5 Hellcat x 33
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 7 destroyed
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 11 destroyed
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 1 destroyed by flak
Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed
Allied Ships
CVL Monterey
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 114 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 36
Ki-48-IIc Lily x 23
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 7
F4U-1A Corsair x 25
F6F-3 Hellcat x 28
F6F-5 Hellcat x 26
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 7 destroyed
Ki-48-IIc Lily: 13 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 25
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 3
F4U-1A Corsair x 18
F6F-3 Hellcat x 25
F6F-5 Hellcat x 20
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 12 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 1,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIb Sally x 18
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 3
F4U-1A Corsair x 15
F6F-3 Hellcat x 22
F6F-5 Hellcat x 19
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIb Sally: 12 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 39
Ki-48-IIc Lily x 24
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 2
F4U-1A Corsair x 13
F6F-3 Hellcat x 16
F6F-5 Hellcat x 17
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 4 destroyed
Ki-48-IIc Lily: 13 destroyed
Ki-48-IIc Lily: 1 destroyed by flak
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
CVL Langley
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-48-IIc Lily releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 100 kg SAP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIb Sally x 18
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 12
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 1
F4U-1A Corsair x 7
F6F-3 Hellcat x 9
F6F-5 Hellcat x 9
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIb Sally: 7 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 14
Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 6
F6F-3 Hellcat x 6
F6F-5 Hellcat x 8
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 5 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 18
Ki-48-IIc Lily x 22
Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 5
F6F-3 Hellcat x 6
F6F-5 Hellcat x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-48-IIc Lily: 8 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-48-IIc Lily: 5 destroyed by flak
Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
CV Saratoga
CV Illustrious
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-48-IIc Lily releasing from 10000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 100 kg SAP Bomb
3 x Ki-48-IIc Lily releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 100 kg SAP Bomb
3 x Ki-48-IIc Lily releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 2 x 100 kg SAP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIb Sally x 18
Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 1
F6F-3 Hellcat x 4
F6F-5 Hellcat x 5
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIb Sally: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-21-IIb Sally: 6 destroyed by flak
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
CV Enterprise
CV Long Island II, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CV Illustrious
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-21-IIb Sally bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 116 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 25
Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 4
F6F-5 Hellcat x 2
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 10 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 6 destroyed by flak
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
CV Enterprise
CVL Belleau Wood, on fire
CVL Independence
CVL Unicorn
CV Saratoga
Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 116 NM, estimated altitude 30,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 25
Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 2
Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2a Jill: 2 damaged
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
BB Iowa
CV Saratoga
CV Enterprise
CVL Belleau Wood, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B6N2a Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 91
B6N2 Jill x 4
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 18
F4U-1A Corsair x 65
F6F-3 Hellcat x 108
F6F-5 Hellcat x 71
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 13 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 31
A6M5b Zero x 43
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 18
F4U-1A Corsair x 65
F6F-3 Hellcat x 107
F6F-5 Hellcat x 71
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 16 destroyed
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed by flak
A6M5b Zero: 8 destroyed
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
BB Iowa
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x A6M5 Zero flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 39
A6M5c Zero x 25
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 17
F4U-1A Corsair x 59
F6F-3 Hellcat x 102
F6F-5 Hellcat x 68
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 16 destroyed
A6M5c Zero: 3 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 20
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 16
F4U-1A Corsair x 58
F6F-3 Hellcat x 98
F6F-5 Hellcat x 64
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 11 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 111
B6N2 Jill x 10
N1K2-J George x 32
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 15
F4U-1A Corsair x 55
F6F-3 Hellcat x 85
F6F-5 Hellcat x 60
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 6 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 23
N1K2-J George x 13
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 13
F4U-1A Corsair x 50
F6F-3 Hellcat x 75
F6F-5 Hellcat x 54
Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2a Jill: 15 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
Seafire IIC: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 12
B6N2a Jill x 21
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 10
F4U-1A Corsair x 47
F6F-3 Hellcat x 67
F6F-5 Hellcat x 48
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 5 destroyed
B6N2a Jill: 5 destroyed, 5 damaged
B6N2a Jill: 4 destroyed by flak
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
Allied Ships
CV Illustrious
CVL Independence
Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B6N2a Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 7
N1K2-J George x 49
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 8
F4U-1A Corsair x 41
F6F-3 Hellcat x 63
F6F-5 Hellcat x 43
Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2a Jill: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 5 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
Seafire IIC: 1 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 3 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 5
Ki-21-IIb Sally x 3
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 49
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 10
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 7
F4U-1A Corsair x 29
F6F-3 Hellcat x 49
F6F-5 Hellcat x 34
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 3 destroyed
Ki-21-IIb Sally: 1 destroyed
Ki-21-IIb Sally: 1 destroyed by flak
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 15 destroyed
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 4 destroyed
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 2 destroyed by flak
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
CVL Independence
CV Illustrious
CV Yorktown
CV America
Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ki-48-IIa Lily flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
2 x Ki-21-IIa Sally flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
2 x Ki-48-IIa Lily flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
1 x Ki-21-IIb Sally flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 102
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 7
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 7
F4U-1A Corsair x 28
F6F-3 Hellcat x 45
F6F-5 Hellcat x 30
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 7 destroyed
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
Seafire IIC: 1 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 3
Ki-84r Frank x 15
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 5
F4U-1A Corsair x 25
F6F-3 Hellcat x 35
F6F-5 Hellcat x 26
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIa Lily: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 5 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 69
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 5
F4U-1A Corsair x 24
F6F-3 Hellcat x 26
F6F-5 Hellcat x 21
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 21 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 3 destroyed by flak
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
CVL Independence
CVL Belleau Wood, Kamikaze hits 1, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Ki-43-IV Oscar flying as kamikaze
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 115 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 65
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 3
F4U-1A Corsair x 21
F6F-3 Hellcat x 25
F6F-5 Hellcat x 16
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 18 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIb Sally x 18
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 45
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 3
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 2
F4U-1A Corsair x 18
F6F-3 Hellcat x 19
F6F-5 Hellcat x 11
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIb Sally: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-21-IIb Sally: 4 destroyed by flak
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
BB New Jersey
CVL Monterey
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-21-IIb Sally bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
3 x Ki-21-IIb Sally bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 111 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes
Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 10
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 6
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 2
F4U-1A Corsair x 11
F6F-3 Hellcat x 12
F6F-5 Hellcat x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 2 destroyed
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 4 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIb Sally x 6
Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 11
F6F-3 Hellcat x 9
F6F-5 Hellcat x 4
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIb Sally: 4 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 21
Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 9
F6F-3 Hellcat x 8
F6F-5 Hellcat x 2
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 10 destroyed
No Allied losses
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 33
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3
Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 8
F6F-3 Hellcat x 5
F6F-5 Hellcat x 1
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 3 destroyed, 13 damaged
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 12 destroyed by flak
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
CVL Monterey
CV Yorktown
CV Essex
CVL San Jacinto
CV Lexington
CV America
BB New Jersey
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
7 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
8 x Ki-21-Ic Sally bombing from 1000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 19, 44
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Night Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 6
Allied aircraft
F6F-3N Hellcat x 5
F4U-2 Corsair x 7
Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2a Jill: 3 destroyed by flak
No Allied losses
Allied Ships
CVL Monterey
CV Yorktown
Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B6N2a Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
CAP engaged:
VMF(N)-532 with F4U-2 Corsair (2 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 8000 , scrambling fighters to 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 4 minutes
VMF(N)-534 with F6F-3N Hellcat (1 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes
Some CAP have air radar
Note that all pilots on escort duty had a minimum air skill of 70 and a minimum defense skill of 60 and that all bombers and Kamikazes had skills depending on plane type for naval attack, low naval attack resp. torpedo bombing also at minimum at 70. This was the best I could offer in LBA terms.
KB arrived in range on day 2 as planned to engage an Allied Deathstar weakened - I hoped - by the repeated LBA strikes on day 1 - but no daylight air strikes have been launched against the Deathstar on the second day due to weather. Or due to the shock over the losses.
The butcher bill, at least the most important part of it:
A very steep price for three Kamikaze and one bomb hit - like eggs against a wall.
Boy, am I depressed...
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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): East China Sea Turkey Shoot
ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget
And here are the results - even worse than expected.
I was just talking about this in another thread. I know you're depressed, but the problem is the A6M is just outclassed which means you need a large numbers advantage and on attack you can't achieve this with LBA. So it means a lotta waves, with the initial waves just getting creamed.AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 18, 44
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 96,59
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 116
B6N2a Jill x 33
N1K2-J George x 93
Allied aircraft
Seafire IIC x 24
F4U-1A Corsair x 89
F6F-3 Hellcat x 147
F6F-5 Hellcat x 102
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 3 destroyed
B6N2a Jill: 19 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
No Allied losses
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If you had more N1K/Frank escorting instead of A6M/Oscar you would have seen better results, but honestly attacking the DS is almost always heart rending …
Hang in there!
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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): East China Sea Turkey Shoot
Some more details and stats.
Each base held either IJN or IJA aircraft, no mixing of services.
I have set a common attack altitude setting for all aircraft at a given base.
Most strikes have been assigned to 10k altitude in the hope of a coordinated strike (Air HQs at each base), but in the hope of splitting enemy CAP one IJA base was devoted to low-level attacks at 1k and one IJN base to Kamikaze attacks at 5k.
Naha IJN at 5k
100+ escorts
100 Kamikaze (all fighters)
Kanoya IJN at 10k
110 escorts
70 torpedo bombers
Kagoshima IJN at 10k
120 escorts
120 torpedo bombers
Kumamoto IJN at 10k
280 escorts
90 torpedo bombers
Kurume IJA at 10k
15 escorts (+ 49 escorts set to range 0 by accident)
54 2e torpedo bombers
Fukuoka IJA at 10k
180 escorts
190 Kamikaze (all fighters)
Nagasaki/Sasebo IJA at 1k
200 escorts
75 Kamikaze (fighters)
150 level bombers
160 Kamikaze (2e bombers)
Oita IJN at 10k (forgot that base in the screenshot above)
0 escorts (34 fighters set to sweep by accident)
130 dive-bombers
35 Kamikaze (dive-bombers)
Shanghai IJA at 10k
100 escorts
75 2e dive-bombers
totals:
984 escorts
560 Kamikaze
150 low-level bombers
205 dive-bombers
334 torpedo bombers
984 escorts
1249 strike planes
2233 planes total engaged, 1377 lost (61,6%)
3 Kamikaze hits, 1 bomb hit, no torpedo hits > 0,32% hit rate, 312 strike planes needed to secure one hit, 344 planes expended per hit.
What now:
There is no point in holding back now and trying to rebuild the air groups for a second try later in the game - not enough supplies and few or no replacement airframes available anyway for most of the types (the only airframes still in production are Georges and Franks - I have held-back the Franks due to lack of airfield space and because I conserve them for home defense against the B-29s).
So damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead - I will send everything I have that has the range to strike.
I have disbanded a number of bomber groups to fill-out others, pulled replacements and moved a handful of reinforcements and training groups to the front bases.
KB will stay in the Korea Strait and is ready to die for the Emperor should my opponent elect to keep his carriers in the East China Sea.
If there is a round 2, it will be bloody as well.
Each base held either IJN or IJA aircraft, no mixing of services.
I have set a common attack altitude setting for all aircraft at a given base.
Most strikes have been assigned to 10k altitude in the hope of a coordinated strike (Air HQs at each base), but in the hope of splitting enemy CAP one IJA base was devoted to low-level attacks at 1k and one IJN base to Kamikaze attacks at 5k.
Naha IJN at 5k
100+ escorts
100 Kamikaze (all fighters)
Kanoya IJN at 10k
110 escorts
70 torpedo bombers
Kagoshima IJN at 10k
120 escorts
120 torpedo bombers
Kumamoto IJN at 10k
280 escorts
90 torpedo bombers
Kurume IJA at 10k
15 escorts (+ 49 escorts set to range 0 by accident)
54 2e torpedo bombers
Fukuoka IJA at 10k
180 escorts
190 Kamikaze (all fighters)
Nagasaki/Sasebo IJA at 1k
200 escorts
75 Kamikaze (fighters)
150 level bombers
160 Kamikaze (2e bombers)
Oita IJN at 10k (forgot that base in the screenshot above)
0 escorts (34 fighters set to sweep by accident)
130 dive-bombers
35 Kamikaze (dive-bombers)
Shanghai IJA at 10k
100 escorts
75 2e dive-bombers
totals:
984 escorts
560 Kamikaze
150 low-level bombers
205 dive-bombers
334 torpedo bombers
984 escorts
1249 strike planes
2233 planes total engaged, 1377 lost (61,6%)
3 Kamikaze hits, 1 bomb hit, no torpedo hits > 0,32% hit rate, 312 strike planes needed to secure one hit, 344 planes expended per hit.
What now:
There is no point in holding back now and trying to rebuild the air groups for a second try later in the game - not enough supplies and few or no replacement airframes available anyway for most of the types (the only airframes still in production are Georges and Franks - I have held-back the Franks due to lack of airfield space and because I conserve them for home defense against the B-29s).
So damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead - I will send everything I have that has the range to strike.
I have disbanded a number of bomber groups to fill-out others, pulled replacements and moved a handful of reinforcements and training groups to the front bases.
KB will stay in the Korea Strait and is ready to die for the Emperor should my opponent elect to keep his carriers in the East China Sea.
If there is a round 2, it will be bloody as well.
RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): East China Sea Turkey Shoot
Great AAR - and good to see so many of you still going strong [8D]
Interesting to see how the game has developed - will give it a good read-up.
Reminds me of my own challenges with the endgame, last year or so of the war easily becomes a mental quagmire.
After playing for such a long time you really want to stick it out to the end, but the monotony of massed air assaults and the need to constantly rebuild and reform shattered air units is relentless. That, not bugs or supply issues was what convinced me to conclude my games.
So kudos for sticking it out, just make sure you enjoy the ride and don’t burn out like I did [:)]
Interesting to see how the game has developed - will give it a good read-up.
Reminds me of my own challenges with the endgame, last year or so of the war easily becomes a mental quagmire.
After playing for such a long time you really want to stick it out to the end, but the monotony of massed air assaults and the need to constantly rebuild and reform shattered air units is relentless. That, not bugs or supply issues was what convinced me to conclude my games.
So kudos for sticking it out, just make sure you enjoy the ride and don’t burn out like I did [:)]
"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): East China Sea Turkey Shoot
Woohoo, PzB have returned!
Aren't you guys playing Babes? IIRC they cut supply production from refineries, and haven't increased it anywhere else, so you are short over 2000 supply per day, in comparison with stock. And, as PzB mentioned, there was already shortage, even in Scenario 2.
Aren't you guys playing Babes? IIRC they cut supply production from refineries, and haven't increased it anywhere else, so you are short over 2000 supply per day, in comparison with stock. And, as PzB mentioned, there was already shortage, even in Scenario 2.
RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): East China Sea Turkey Shoot
[&o][&o][&o]ORIGINAL: PzB74
Great AAR - and good to see so many of you still going strong [8D]
Interesting to see how the game has developed - will give it a good read-up.
Reminds me of my own challenges with the endgame, last year or so of the war easily becomes a mental quagmire.
After playing for such a long time you really want to stick it out to the end, but the monotony of massed air assaults and the need to constantly rebuild and reform shattered air units is relentless. That, not bugs or supply issues was what convinced me to conclude my games.
So kudos for sticking it out, just make sure you enjoy the ride and don’t burn out like I did [:)]
Long time no see … did you lose your original login?
Pax
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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): East China Sea Turkey Shoot
ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget
And here are the results - even worse than expected.
A very steep price for three Kamikaze and one bomb hit - like eggs against a wall.
Boy, am I depressed...
I don't think I've ever saw any worst results than those...
unbelievable
RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): East China Sea Turkey Shoot
ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
[&o][&o][&o]ORIGINAL: PzB74
Great AAR - and good to see so many of you still going strong [8D]
Interesting to see how the game has developed - will give it a good read-up.
Reminds me of my own challenges with the endgame, last year or so of the war easily becomes a mental quagmire.
After playing for such a long time you really want to stick it out to the end, but the monotony of massed air assaults and the need to constantly rebuild and reform shattered air units is relentless. That, not bugs or supply issues was what convinced me to conclude my games.
So kudos for sticking it out, just make sure you enjoy the ride and don’t burn out like I did [:)]
Long time no see … did you lose your original login?
Hello Pax and Inq [:)]
Didn't they require changes in the login after the Slitherine merger - a minimum of 5 characters...
So it's the same, just had to add a couple of ciphers.
So what can you tell me about the most important changes over the last 5 years or so? [;)]
"The problem in defense is how far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without"
- Dwight D. Eisenhower
RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): East China Sea Turkey Shoot
They finally increased anti-tank power of Japanese Squads with upgrade. Other than that, there are only changes for Beta. MichaelM is busy, so Beta seems to be final for some years already.
Latest discovery is that landing in non-base hex isn't as disruptive, as manual claims. Canoerebel have conquered Hokkaido using mostly non-base landings for cutting reinforcements arrival. Other than that, Andy began to make even nastier IRONMAN Scenarios, several weeks ago.
Latest discovery is that landing in non-base hex isn't as disruptive, as manual claims. Canoerebel have conquered Hokkaido using mostly non-base landings for cutting reinforcements arrival. Other than that, Andy began to make even nastier IRONMAN Scenarios, several weeks ago.
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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): East China Sea Turkey Shoot
Damnit, just found myself looking by accident at the last page of my oponnent's AAR. You guys shouldn't hijack mine, it confuses me seeing multiple replies here.
Anyway, the latest turn was an uneventful anticlimax, Ed has elected to retreat. The surface stabs by four Kongos in one TF and cruisers in the other all racing full speed towards the enemies' last known positions and a bit beyond found nothing and luckily escaped air raids when ddaylight came. My Kamikaze Corps on Okinawa made some more ineffective efforts on the enemy TFs retiring from the East China Sea. All naval forces will RTB and all planes will return to the training schedule. Intercepts (mails) from my opponent indicate that we have scared the heck out of the Allied dogs, so I count that they won't come back until they can project LBA cover. Next target for invasion probably Formosa, where about six understrength division short of supplies sit behind level-6 forts.
Anyway, the latest turn was an uneventful anticlimax, Ed has elected to retreat. The surface stabs by four Kongos in one TF and cruisers in the other all racing full speed towards the enemies' last known positions and a bit beyond found nothing and luckily escaped air raids when ddaylight came. My Kamikaze Corps on Okinawa made some more ineffective efforts on the enemy TFs retiring from the East China Sea. All naval forces will RTB and all planes will return to the training schedule. Intercepts (mails) from my opponent indicate that we have scared the heck out of the Allied dogs, so I count that they won't come back until they can project LBA cover. Next target for invasion probably Formosa, where about six understrength division short of supplies sit behind level-6 forts.
RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): East China Sea Turkey Shoot
ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget
totals:
984 escorts
560 Kamikaze
150 low-level bombers
205 dive-bombers
334 torpedo bombers
984 escorts
1249 strike planes
2233 planes total engaged, 1377 lost (61,6%)
So the Deathstar had +1200 fighters, you were attacking it with a lower number and lower capability of fighters. It is VERY hard to arrange enough LBA on its own to take on the DeathStar as the IJ. You have just (again) proven that very point. You arranged it all about as best as possible with the resources that the IJ has at this time in the game.
It's just a numbers game. If, and this is a very big two letters here, the KB had been able to attack in conjunction with this effort AND you got lucky it the KB attack went in after about 50% of the LBA had gone in, you likely would have seen some serious damage. I wish we could have seen that, but as my grandma always said: "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride."
Anyway, getting both the LBA together and the KB at the same time requires more luck than planning and this time it just didn't happen. Don't beat yourself up about it. But now you have seen the results of attacking the DS with LBA only. My rule of thumb for attacking the DS is that I need 1.5x the number of fighters IF I am using comparable fighters (Frank/George). If lower quality, like Zero/Oscar, then its at least 2x. Yeah, that's a LOT of fighters and almost always means that I'm including the KB because otherwise I can't get enough aircraft. Then you bring in your 1000 or so strike aircraft. Crapload of aircraft, but you are facing the DS which has ~1800 aircraft itself.
Pax
RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): East China Sea Turkey Shoot
Seriously, 1000's of fixes. So many of the little things that bugged you in your game with Andy have been addressed and WAY improved.ORIGINAL: PzB74
ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
[&o][&o][&o]ORIGINAL: PzB74
Great AAR - and good to see so many of you still going strong [8D]
Interesting to see how the game has developed - will give it a good read-up.
Reminds me of my own challenges with the endgame, last year or so of the war easily becomes a mental quagmire.
After playing for such a long time you really want to stick it out to the end, but the monotony of massed air assaults and the need to constantly rebuild and reform shattered air units is relentless. That, not bugs or supply issues was what convinced me to conclude my games.
So kudos for sticking it out, just make sure you enjoy the ride and don’t burn out like I did [:)]
Long time no see … did you lose your original login?
Hello Pax and Inq [:)]
Didn't they require changes in the login after the Slitherine merger - a minimum of 5 characters...
So it's the same, just had to add a couple of ciphers.
So what can you tell me about the most important changes over the last 5 years or so? [;)]
Aircraft have loadouts that change with mission profile. Really Change. Not used much in the stock scenarios, but in the mods, HUGE changes. Meaning 1x800kg Naval mission, 16x50 kg AF strike, 3x250 Ground attack …. the load outs can really vary.
DP guns now have separate fields for direct and AA fire in the data base.
Lotsa changes in how TF's work together and fight. Composition of TF's now very important to get the battle tactics that you want.
CAP settings worked out to defeat the strato-sweep.
you would need to read the entire change log of all +100 updates. There are literally thousands of changes/enhancements. We had dev support for almost 5 years and we got so many fixes/changes in place.
AI has been improved several times. Andy just released another round of updates last month. [:D]
Good to see you back!!!!
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Pax
RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): East China Sea Turkey Shoot
Oh well. You effort bought some time.ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget
Damnit, just found myself looking by accident at the last page of my oponnent's AAR. You guys shouldn't hijack mine, it confuses me seeing multiple replies here.
Anyway, the latest turn was an uneventful anticlimax, Ed has elected to retreat. The surface stabs by four Kongos in one TF and cruisers in the other all racing full speed towards the enemies' last known positions and a bit beyond found nothing and luckily escaped air raids when ddaylight came. My Kamikaze Corps on Okinawa made some more ineffective efforts on the enemy TFs retiring from the East China Sea. All naval forces will RTB and all planes will return to the training schedule. Intercepts (mails) from my opponent indicate that we have scared the heck out of the Allied dogs, so I count that they won't come back until they can project LBA cover. Next target for invasion probably Formosa, where about six understrength division short of supplies sit behind level-6 forts.
Sorry for the highjack … but PzB coming back is a big deal!
Pax
RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): East China Sea Turkey Shoot
I don't think I've posted in your opponents AAR … If I did, I apologize.ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget
Damnit, just found myself looking by accident at the last page of my oponnent's AAR. You guys shouldn't hijack mine, it confuses me seeing multiple replies here.
Pax