Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[jforceno1]

Hey gang Im new to the forum but Im retired US Naval Intel and I just got into playing CMNAO/CMO. I started building my first scenario and when I was ready to load up all my airbases I realized that I couldn't load specific weapons on specific planes, notably the Israeli F-16I and the F-15I with Nuclear Freefall Bombs. Now I know and you know that Israel posseses nuclear weapons such as freefall bombs and Popeye missiles that HYPOTHETICLY could carry nuclear warheads. I know that there is NO documentation on SPACIFIC weapons designations and so forth. But could we like put into the Hypo databases 4 to 5 different generic bombs (freefall nuclear) spacificly 5kt, 15kt, 20kt and one that is modern like the B61 a dial a yield bomb with a yield that ranges from 20kt to 750kt and a 1 MT range weapon similar to the American B83, to make the game interesting and somewhat realistic. I mean I would love to go to Tehran and drop a 1 MT bomb on it from time to time after watching the news.....There is plenty of unclassified material out there stating that the F-15I and F-16I is nuclear certified and that Boeing even covered the Nuclear Consent device up so the test pilots that delivered the jets to Israel didn't see them. Also loading up the B-52g/h up with the B53 bomb....you don't have the option when the bomb wasn't retired from the inventory until just 2016 or 17....it was loadable until that time and there are documentation stating that and I can provide that...….I was a Nuclear Weapons Tech for 15 yrs working with the B43, B57 B61 Mods as well as others and I know they were used and loaded and I know what bombers were certified and loaded with for instance the B-52 H and G were loaded at times with 1 B53 and a plethora of mixes of ALCM, ACM. SRAM, B28 B61 and B83 depending on the mission so lets say 1 B-52 might have a load out of 1 B53, 4 B83 and either 12 ALCM, ACM or SRAM....of course these are MAX loadouts but that is just and example...get back with me for more ideas and discussion and lets fix this problem I need to finish my building of my Mid East War Game soon.

[jforceno1]

yes they carried more ALCM could be loaded with 8 Internally and 12 external

[Tookatee]

Word of advice, it's best to include said proof right off the bat when you submit an issue like that. Seeing as you've only posted 3 times you probably won't be able to include links or anything like that, but for the future when you will be able to post stuff, be sure to start off by including any sources/documentation you might have in regards to whatever issue you may be talking about. It's less work on their end having to research to confirm what you said is actually true, which means there is more of a chance that you'll see the fix sooner if at all.

[jforceno1]

So what about the Hypothetical option???

[Tookatee]

I'm not employed by the company that maintains CMO or CMANO, I'm just another person posting issues on this forum. I was just letting you know how they'd prefer the stuff to be formatted, which they detail in the post I quoted below. Also, they're typically online around 5-8 hours from now so that's probably when they'll see your post.

ORIGINAL: apache85

Hey Zaslon,

Do you mean this post?

If so a large part of the reason why it's not been completed is the formatting and lack of detail. Database updates already take a long time to actually do, and that's when all the information is laid out for us. When requests are basically 'this is wrong, go read a webpage I linked to see what needs doing' it can massively increase the amount of time it takes to figure out what needs to be changed and then go and do it. When I see a ticket like that the first thing I think is 'this is going to take me an hour to figure out what this person actually wants' which is quickly followed by 'my time could probably be better spent on a different ticket'.

This post and this post are both examples of excellent formatting and detail--as such the tickets assigned to both have already been completed. The information is laid out in a logical manner, and references are included as actual references, not just 'go read this' links.

This thread, on average, generates literally dozens of hours of development work every day. If you really want something, putting some effort into making it easy for us to do drastically increases the chances of it happening. Complaining that your request hasn't been done and taking shots at us for doing other stuff in the mean time doesn't really have the same effect.

[stilesw]

Could we get CA 134 Des Moines #139 and #2590 brought over to the DB3000 from CWDB? These cruisers were in reserve until the early 1990s and were under consideration for being recommissioned.

PS please check the open parking storage..it looks like to me it has a 24 large aircraft open parking space.

Logged for update.

-WS

[stilesw]

It's just been announced that the F-35A will also be getting the JSOW in the coming days (before the end of 2019,

Logged for update in next DB3K release.

-WS

[BDukes]

Hi All

Look like Italian A-129CBT #1004 need update. Look like D variant

https://twitter.com/AurelioGiansira/sta ... 0611594240

The AW129D combat helicopter in service with the Italian Army is equipped with Rafael TOPLITE III optronic turret that includes FLIR and a new laser. He is armed with Rafael Spike ER missiles and Stinger air-to-air missiles, as well as the 20mm machine gun and 70mm rockets.

Look like D variant first deployed in 2014 by IOC'd in 2012

https://www.helis.com/database/modelorg ... Army-A129/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agusta_A129_Mangusta

https://books.google.com/books?id=5TE6C ... 9D&f=false

Thank!

[Kushan04]

#383 - PLA-705K Alfa [Lira] (Russia [1992-] (Navy), 1992-1993
#423 - PLA-705K Alfa [Lira] (Soviet Union [-1991] (Naval Fleet [V-MF]), 1978 - 1981
#56 - PLA-705K Alfa [Lira] (Soviet Union [-1991] (Naval Fleet [V-MF]), 1981 - 1991

Max depth under general data shows as -400 m. Performance Details shows max depth as -2297 ft / -700.0 m.

[Hongjian]

#3041 - Type 051B Luhai [Shenzhen] (China 2017)
Request changing 4x YJ-12 twin (max 8 missiles) to 4x YJ-12 quad (max 16 missiles)

Recent photo shows evidence of the maximum loadout option:

[14yellow14]

Hi!

Weapon_299 NAVAL STRIKE MISSILE It can only attack surface ships in the latest database, in real life it can attack land targets:

Sea and land mission
The primary missions for NSM™ CDS are maritime interdictions against sea
targets from small and light ships made of Glass Fiber Reinforced Plastics (GFRP)
to large naval combatants like destroyers and frigates and ships with thick hull
like icebreakers.

Secondly, land targets are handled by the NSM™ CDS. The land attack capability
is primarily based on use of the military GPS. Typical land targets are stationery, soft
targets like harboring depot buildings, command and control facilities, sensor
sites and air defence sites. Ships secured alongside jetty are categorized as a land
target, enabling a high precision harbor attack capability.

Please, add land attack capability!

[PN79]

Size Correction Request

Currently all Soviet UAVs have "aircraft size" set as "very large" despite difference between them - see:

#2570 Tu-123 UAV
- length 27,8 m
- wingspan 8,4 m
- aircraft size very large // this is fine

#2569 Tu-141 UAV
- length 14,3 m
- wingspan 3,9 m
- aircraft size very large // should be changed to medium

#2568 Tu-143 UAV
- length 8,1 m
- wingspan 2,2 m
- aircraft size very large // should be changed to small

#2571 Tu-243 UAV
- length 8,4 m
- wingspan 2,2 m
- aircraft size very large // should be changed to small

The main issue is that with very large size definition it cannot be used from small airfields as it cannot fit there. Thank you in advance.

[14yellow14]

Few suggestions for near future weapon systems, some already in service


SOUTH KOREA Add KSS-III DOSAN submarine please

KSS-III Batch 1 submarines are fitted with eight 533-mm torpedo tubes for the new Tigershark wire-guided torpedo as well as 6x VLS (vertical launch system) tubes. They would accommodate a future cruise missile (the Cheon Ryong with a range of 1,500 Km) in development by LIG Nex1 while the launchers would be provided by Doosan. It was announced earlier in the program that Spanish company INDRA was selected to provide its electronic defense system (ESM) PEGASO and Babcock of the UK would design and manufacture the Weapon Handling System for the Batch-I submarines.

ITALY Add Trieste LHD and PPA frigates


SPAIN Add F-110 FFG Class and SH-60F (utility helicopter/No ASW) to the Spanish Navy


JAPAN Add F-15J upgrade "Super Japanese Interceptor" (AN/APG-82(v)1 multimode AESA and JASSM), add JSM for japanese F-35A (internal and external)


ISRAEL Add SPIKE NLOS for Apache D


SWEDEN Add A-26 SSK


AUSTRALIA Add Hunter Class FFG (AEGIS Type 26) and Attack Class SSK (Shortfin Barracuda)


UNITED KINGDOM Add Type 31 FFG and E-767 (E-3 Sentry replacement)


Thank you for this awesome work [:)]

[orca]

Small correction: the single-unit airfield (1x 1401-200m runday) #1593 name states "large aircraft". However the db info indicated the runway can support very large aircraft.

[stilesw]

Small correction: the single-unit airfield (1x 1401-200m runday) #1593 name states "large aircraft". However the db info indicated the runway can support very large aircraft.

Logged and fixed for next DB3K release.
-WS

[stilesw]

Type is not ASW, it should be AEW from what I found.

Dominik,

Logged and updated for next DB3K release.

-WS

[LORDPrometheus]

So with the help of Fizzy on the discord I managed to confirm that the SA-2 requires an optical fire control system in order to operate leaving units without said TV system unusable without additional radars. This is because the Spoon Rest C radar will only give intermittent tracking Data, every 3-8 seconds and lasting for only 1-3 seconds. This is too short for the missiles to use and the Fan Song does not activate until they are fired.

Here is what needs to be fixed:

The Fan Song C needs to be a FCR with air search added basically just take the settings from the Chinese clone of it, the Gin Sling B used by the HQ-2 and put those settings in for the Fan Song C. The Gin Song is a near identical clone so it should not have extra capabilities but it currently does which is why HQ-2 sites do not need a visual tracking system.

I know it seems insane that a system present in so many scenarios is actually broken but when it is operating alone and the TV camera is either destroyed or absent it truly is broken.

I did extensive testing using a variety of aircraft and ensuring the effect was the same with every aircraft from commercial to 5th gen and with absolutely no DECM or OECM present.

[Tookatee]

Really? As far as I'm aware the Fan Song-C radar is and was sufficiently able to track and acquire targets on all variants of the SA-2 it's equipped onto (the Spoon Rest-C radar was only used for long range target acquisition, it handed this information off to the Fan Song radar which got the actual lock shortly before the missile was fired.) In fact, from the references I've found an optical tracking system was only added as an upgrade on the Fan Song-E radar in order to enable use in a heavy jamming environment (and even then with limited usability.)

Although it is true that the Fan Song radar could theoretically be used to track targets like the Spoon Rest radar (albeit with only a fixed arc of coverage) it normally relied on external radars such as the Spoon Rest (with a superior detection range and a 360 degree arc of coverage) to cue it to any targets to begin tracking due to its inherent detection limitations, primarily relegating it to operate as a FCR.

So as far as I'm aware the DB sufficiently covers this facet of the later SA-2 systems, if you look at variants such as the #383 SA-2 or any of the SA-2 F's you'll see that they're properly equipped with a TV camera for manual tracking. If your intention is to state that the earlier SA-2 systems should have a TV guidance system equipped then it would be cool if you offered some sort of proof or sourcing on that fact, because I haven't found anything indicating that those earlier systems ever did have such a system employed.

[LORDPrometheus]

I feel that you missed what I am trying to say. Let me clarify

The SA-2 as it exists within Command Modern Operations is incapable of engaging targets if it does not have target location data being fed to it by a 3rd party radar or possesses an optical tracking system.

I am aware that in the real world it does not need this which is exactly my point. The current setup is unrealistic and broken.

The HQ-2 works perfectly well because the Fan Song Clone it is using is set up in a different way than the Fan Song itself and this change allows it to track targets once they are detected and targeted and does not turn on only when a missile is fired. As a result it works perfectly fine while the illuminate on launch only Fan Song does not.

If you want to see for yourself place down a SA-2 from either Cuba or Syria pick the oldest versions present and see if you can get it to shoot down a plane. Do the same with another version but remove the optical tracker.

[BDukes]

ORIGINAL: LORDPrometheus

I feel that you missed what I am trying to say. Let me clarify

The SA-2 as it exists within Command Modern Operations is incapable of engaging targets if it does not have target location data being fed to it by a 3rd party radar or possesses an optical tracking system.

I am aware that in the real world it does not need this which is exactly my point. The current setup is unrealistic and broken.

The HQ-2 works perfectly well because the Fan Song Clone it is using is set up in a different way than the Fan Song itself and this change allows it to track targets once they are detected and targeted and does not turn on only when a missile is fired. As a result it works perfectly fine while the illuminate on launch only Fan Song does not.

If you want to see for yourself place down a SA-2 from either Cuba or Syria pick the oldest versions present and see if you can get it to shoot down a plane. Do the same with another version but remove the optical tracker.

You don't have to argues with him. He is not judge. Focus on devs. I learn lesson awhiles ago. They are nice and will help.

Thank!

Bill