TRACOM: Is it worth it?

[Ian R]

He didn't ask if it was ethical, just if it was worth it.

[GetAssista]

ORIGINAL: Ian R

He didn't ask if it was ethical, just if it was worth it.

Is it worth it when it is unethical?

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: Ian R

He didn't ask if it was ethical, just if it was worth it.

Is it worth it when it is unethical?

It depends upon your moral character.

As far as worth it in cost savings, think of the HI saved for the Japanese by getting those pilots out sooner while also being highly trained which then saves supply and time training the pilots. But whether a player wants to do that or not, it happens. The way to get around that is to take the trainees even sooner when their experience is even lower.

[Q-Ball]

There probably needs to be a HR against this now....it's too bad, because clearly something got jacked. A little unfair to the Japanese player, but it's too inbalanced to allow 60+ experienced pilots.

[Kull]

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

Coming late, had to wait for a fresh turn to do screenies.

As you can see, I have 340+ IJN pilots in TRACOM.

The experience is currently 62.

Thanks for posting the results, LST. So now we have two instances of IJN with 300+ pilots in TRACOM and graduating experience levels far higher than the national cap. Even the guys in the 4-6 month window are 12 points too high!

It would be helpful if an Allied player could post something similar so we could determine if it's an overall TRACOM bug, or just something affecting Japan.

[RangerJoe]

I do know that with the modification for the extra allied air units that can be bought for the air frames, pilots training there gain skills a lot faster.

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: Ian R

He didn't ask if it was ethical, just if it was worth it.

Is it worth it when it is unethical?

The "serious" wargaming world has a long tradition when it comes to strategic level simulations of the Pacific theatre of WW2 (including the east Asian landmass). It is a tradition that stretches all the way back to the first, flawed attempt, SPI's Gobal War, in 1975. SPI's War in the Pacific has it to a lesser extent, World in Flames has it, and WITP:AE has it.

The Japanese industrial capacity is artificially inflated, so as to make a playable game of it. Ethics are not entirely applicable, because while AE comes closest, none of these games are really historical simulations. Allowing the Japanese player to exploit whatever the coding allows is in keeping with the overall approach of bending history in that direction anyway. Allowing the Allied player to do it probably won't help as much, but it will still help.

So I don't regard this as unethical in the sense that blatant cheating is unethical. A house rule to restrict it to say 50 pilots, applicable to both sides, might ameliorate the concern about it.

Edit - meaning a cap of 50, or possibly 59 in TRACOM.

[rustysi]

Edit - meaning a cap of 50, or possibly 59 in TRACOM.

Have considered this, but I figured a cap of 99. For myself if that didn't work I'd inform my opponent that I'd be lowering the number. Japan gets a lot in this game, wouldn't want to take more.

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

Edit - meaning a cap of 50, or possibly 59 in TRACOM.

Have considered this, but I figured a cap of 99. For myself if that didn't work I'd inform my opponent that I'd be lowering the number. Japan gets a lot in this game, wouldn't want to take more.

Some allied players (as reported here) like to hide a bunch of their best pilots in TRACOM, so they can re-activate them when the F4U, Spitfire Mk VIII and ultimately the F6F become available. They might actually want more than 99.

[Scott_USN]

There is no cheating as Allies if you are playing Andy Mac Insane Dababs. [X(]

[jdsrae]

I’ve asked my veteran pilots if they want a posting to Training Command but they’ve all politely declined.
They are all happy competing for top ace status, promotions and bragging rights.

[rustysi]

ORIGINAL: Ian R

ORIGINAL: rustysi

Edit - meaning a cap of 50, or possibly 59 in TRACOM.

Have considered this, but I figured a cap of 99. For myself if that didn't work I'd inform my opponent that I'd be lowering the number. Japan gets a lot in this game, wouldn't want to take more.

Some allied players (as reported here) like to hide a bunch of their best pilots in TRACOM, so they can re-activate them when the F4U, Spitfire Mk VIII and ultimately the F6F become available. They might actually want more than 99.

I get it. I too as a JFB would like to have more in the pool, but not at the expense of having my pilots train to way above the 'national average' limit. You could just as easily put pilots in the 'general reserve' when they hit 79/80, its what I'll do.

[rustysi]

ORIGINAL: jdsrae

I’ve asked my veteran pilots if they want a posting to Training Command but they’ve all politely declined.
They are all happy competing for top ace status, promotions and bragging rights.

Maybe on your CV's, but I would recommend saving some others 'for a rainy day', if you get my drift. Of course, JMHO. YMMV.

[traskott]

So, if I understand this right: I move 300/400 top pilots to tracom, the new pilots I will get will have better exp, isn't?

[rustysi]

Yes.

[traskott]

Thanks!. Will try it in my PBEM.

[rustysi]

I'd let my opponent know first. Don't know what type of game you're playing, but this is not WAD and some might frown upon it.

[jdsrae]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

...I would recommend saving some others 'for a rainy day'...

It’s already raining, 500lb bombs!

[RangerJoe]

The Allies can do it as well and then have highly trained pilots graduating as well.

[Kull]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

The Allies can do it as well and then have highly trained pilots graduating as well.

That's possible, even likely, but until somebody posts examples of ANY Allied pilots graduating with experience levels higher than the National Average, we don't know if it's true.