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We simply don’t know how this will play out, but indications are that it will influence all continents (minus Antarctica maybe) and may not simply go away. To continue downplaying the outcome won’t help us, but might hurt the most vulnerable more than if we took every precaution.

I'll agree with your first sentence and add a caveat to your second. Neither downplaying the outcome nor polemic-infused hysteria will yield to ideal outcomes. Moderation in approach and outlook is best, I think. We also have to gameplay some favorable outcomes as well as worst case scenarios too for a more balanced approach. [:)]
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Some more information on the test situation:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... WUN_KtUiR8

That was a good overview and article, if injected with some rather obvious political should-woulda-coulda finger wagging.
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I say we have small uptick in the US then it will phase out just like it is doing in China just on a comparable micro scale.
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It can live more than 48hrs on a surface; this is what makes it such a threat.

Where did you get that information? The coronavirus family has different survival rates, and the media is using the extreme ones to flog their panic narrative, but I've yet to see any data specific to Covid 19.


I thought it was mentioned here, in one of the links:

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-a ... us-covid19

The WHO page does say something not inconsistent:

"... the new coronavirus can stay on surfaces for a few hours or up to several days (depending on the type of surface)"

https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease ... th-busters
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I just looked, and as far as I can tell, the WHO has not updated their estimate of the mortality rate (their latest is 3.4%).

I have a tremendously low opinion of journalism as practiced today, but I think it's not a failing of the major media to not be loudly proclaiming the possibility of the death rate being much lower.

Of course, we all hope it turns out to be just that.
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The journalists today are nothing like Walter Cronkite was. If he said it then it was true. When reporting, he had no agenda other than the truth.
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The journalists today are nothing like Walter Cronkite was. If he said it then it was true. When reporting, he had no agenda other than the truth.
The journalists today are nothing like Walter Cronkite was. If he said it then it was true. When reporting, he had no agenda other than the truth.

Not the fault of the TV people but journalism has moved away from journalism to reporting on TV. You may, if you are lucky, get basic facts from some sources but you also get plenty of opinionated analysis, most of it it ignorant and some of it biased. Print journalism, has more than survived, it is downright flourishing. The NY Times, The Washington Post, The Atlantic and many, many others, are doing an outstanding job of reporting. Yes, you will have to invest a little bit of time and a tiny bit of treasure but print journalism is hitting out of the park. Just sticking to the Corona-virus issues you will find few better sources of practical, informed, well written , fact based information in the quality print sources. Great Journalism is put there, it just isn't on TV. Hundred of Pulitzer prizes do not not lie.
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"I tell you I have been in the editorial business going on fourteen years, and it is the first time I ever heard of a man's having to know anything in order to edit a newspaper.

You turnip!

Who write the dramatic critiques for the second-rate papers? Why, a parcel of promoted shoemakers and apprentice apothecaries, who know just as much about good acting as I do about good farming and no more.

Who review the books? People who never wrote one.

Who do up the heavy leaders on finance? Parties who have had the largest opportunities for knowing nothing about it.

Who criticise the Indian campaigns? Gentlemen who do not know a war-whoop from a wigwam, and who never have had to run a foot-race with a tomahawk or pluck arrows out of the several members of their families to build the evening camp-fire with.

Who write the temperance appeals and clamor about the flowing bowl? Folks who will never draw another sober breath till they do it in the grave.

Who edit the agricultural papers, you -- yam? Men, as a general thing, who fail in the poetry line, yellow covered novel line, sensation-drama line, city-editor line, and finally fall back on agriculture as a temporary reprieve from the poor-house.

You try to tell me anything about the newspaper business! Sir, I have been through it from Alpha to Omaha, and I tell you that the less a man knows the bigger noise he makes and the higher the salary he commands. Heaven knows if I had but been ignorant instead of cultivated, and impudent instead of diffident, I could have made a name for myself in this cold, selfish world. I take my leave, sir.

Since I have been treated as you have treated me, I am perfectly willing to go. But I have done my duty. I have fulfilled my contract, as far as I was permitted to do it. I said I could make your paper of interest to all classes, and I have. I said I could run your circulation up to twenty thousand copies, and if I had had two more weeks I'd have done it.

And I'd have given you the best class of readers that ever an agricultural paper had -- not a farmer in it, nor a solitary individual who could tell a watermelon from a peach-vine to save his life. You are the loser by this rupture, not me, Pie-plant. Adios." I then left." - MARK TWAIN






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So January 20th is the date of occurrence of the first know case?

Back at the turn of the year, I suffered a bout of the worst case of flu I have ever had in my entire life.
It had me bedridden for three days, struggling to breathe and out of work for a week and took a good week and a half to get over.

Is it possible I already had the coronavirus and survived it?

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I walk past Mark Twain’s house a few times a week. Each time I can’t help but have a quote of Mr. Twain’s pop into my head. There is no shortage of them, but now I have a few more to put in the rotation.
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"I tell you I have been in the editorial business going on fourteen years, and it is the first time I ever heard of a man's having to know anything in order to edit a newspaper.

You turnip!

Who write the dramatic critiques for the second-rate papers? Why, a parcel of promoted shoemakers and apprentice apothecaries, who know just as much about good acting as I do about good farming and no more.

Who review the books? People who never wrote one.

Who do up the heavy leaders on finance? Parties who have had the largest opportunities for knowing nothing about it.

Who criticise the Indian campaigns? Gentlemen who do not know a war-whoop from a wigwam, and who never have had to run a foot-race with a tomahawk or pluck arrows out of the several members of their families to build the evening camp-fire with.

Who write the temperance appeals and clamor about the flowing bowl? Folks who will never draw another sober breath till they do it in the grave.

Who edit the agricultural papers, you -- yam? Men, as a general thing, who fail in the poetry line, yellow covered novel line, sensation-drama line, city-editor line, and finally fall back on agriculture as a temporary reprieve from the poor-house.

You try to tell me anything about the newspaper business! Sir, I have been through it from Alpha to Omaha, and I tell you that the less a man knows the bigger noise he makes and the higher the salary he commands. Heaven knows if I had but been ignorant instead of cultivated, and impudent instead of diffident, I could have made a name for myself in this cold, selfish world. I take my leave, sir.

Since I have been treated as you have treated me, I am perfectly willing to go. But I have done my duty. I have fulfilled my contract, as far as I was permitted to do it. I said I could make your paper of interest to all classes, and I have. I said I could run your circulation up to twenty thousand copies, and if I had had two more weeks I'd have done it.

And I'd have given you the best class of readers that ever an agricultural paper had -- not a farmer in it, nor a solitary individual who could tell a watermelon from a peach-vine to save his life. You are the loser by this rupture, not me, Pie-plant. Adios." I then left." - MARK TWAIN

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Even when journalists tell the truth, or half-truths, they seldom tell the whole truth. The truth without the whole truth can be the equivalent of a lie, and will most assuredly be misleading and distorting.

Journalists/their businesses determine what is newsworthy and what isn't, per their world view. They select what to devote time to and what to exclude. There may be 400,000,000 stories that could be done in a day but there might be time for 25. Consciously and subconsciously, they select what seems important to them (or to their agenda).

To those who agree with them, the selection feels right and the news feels balanced. Any outlets who deviate from that norm appears biased and suspect.

To those on the outside, the selection feels wrong and the news feels imbalanced. Any who deviate from that norm appear unbiased and reliable.

In journalism schools, it used to be taught that the first priority was....profit (not objectivity or community service or whatever noble mission statements might be preferable to the "naïve").

Journalists got it badly wrong for 30-40 years. They took their eye off profit. Most major newspapers and television media shifted left. Eventually, some recognized that their bias was driving away customers on the right. Not in New York City, where a large percentage of the population shares that worldview; but certainly in Atlanta and Dallas and St. Louis. Too late, some of them tried to right the ship by offering right-leaning opinion columns to balance the left. But it was too late. They'd been too biased for too long, too many customers had left, and the internet-advertising-crisis caught them in a bad position. Magazines and newspapers began to shrink in size or go out of business, and television network viewership shrunk in size.

It's their businesses and they have the right to shape them according to their views. If I have a different worldview, I can start my own newspaper or television network. It's a free country.

In the meantime, I took my leave of those who are biased, preferring to selectively choose how I devote precious time (time is always precious) in the gathering/accepting of information.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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A Johns Hopkins map as of about 9 a.m. on Saturday morning, March 7.

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"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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The journalists today are nothing like Walter Cronkite was. If he said it then it was true. When reporting, he had no agenda other than the truth.
The journalists today are nothing like Walter Cronkite was. If he said it then it was true. When reporting, he had no agenda other than the truth.

Not the fault of the TV people but journalism has moved away from journalism to reporting on TV. You may, if you are lucky, get basic facts from some sources but you also get plenty of opinionated analysis, most of it it ignorant and some of it biased. Print journalism, has more than survived, it is downright flourishing. The NY Times, The Washington Post, The Atlantic and many, many others, are doing an outstanding job of reporting. Yes, you will have to invest a little bit of time and a tiny bit of treasure but print journalism is hitting out of the park. Just sticking to the Corona-virus issues you will find few better sources of practical, informed, well written , fact based information in the quality print sources. Great Journalism is put there, it just isn't on TV. Hundred of Pulitzer prizes do not not lie.
I see many instances where the organs you named get things factually wrong in a bombastic way in favor of ideology.

We must just agree to disagree about print journalism.
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A Johns Hopkins map as of about 9 a.m. on Saturday morning, March 7.

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Same data source, different update cycle:

COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK
Last updated: March 07, 2020, 14:34 GMT

Coronavirus Cases:
104,094

Deaths:
3,526

Recovered:
58,559
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Perhaps the Johns Hopkins tabulators are taking it easy on a Saturday morning in Maryland? I know the university is hosting the NCAAA Division III basketball championship on campus. They closed it to spectators, as the virus has been confirmed in Maryland (and actually very close to the campus, I think). Only the players and coaches and refs and some media will be in the arena for the game.

(I think the Johns Hopkins site is reputable and will "catch up" with the totals at some point. I'll keep using it for the sake of consistency in my updates, unless reliability issues should arise.)
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Perhaps the Johns Hopkins tabulators are taking it easy on a Saturday morning in Maryland? I know the university is hosting the NCAAA Division III basketball championship on campus. They closed it to spectators, as the virus has been confirmed in Maryland (and actually very close to the campus, I think). Only the players and coaches and refs and some media will be in the arena for the game.

(I think the Johns Hopkins site is reputable and will "catch up" with the totals at some point. I'll keep using it for the sake of consistency in my updates, unless reliability issues should arise.)
No, no, they just have different update cycles. I'm sure they are not slacking!
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Hot air hand dryers just spread germs all over . . .

The Dirty Truth About Hand Dryers
Some dryers spread germs instead of removing them
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/the- ... nd-dryers/

The bacterial horror of hot-air hand dryers
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the ... 8051113823

Is hand sanitizer better at preventing the flu than soap and water?
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/is- ... 8111315327
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BREAKING - President Macron says the "coronavirus epidemic is unstoppable in France," after a meeting with #COVID19 researchers at the Elysee.
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