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"Coronavirus: Are there two strains and is one more deadly?"
There is 'some' evidence that there are 2 strains of the new virus. I have pasted in the whole article from https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... re-deadly/
'Two strains of the new coronavirus are spreading around the world, according to an analysis of 103 cases. But the World Health Organization insists that “there is no evidence that the virus has been changing”. So how many strains are there, and why does it matter?
Viruses are always mutating, especially RNA viruses like this one, coronavirus SARS-CoV-2. When a person is infected with the coronavirus, it replicates in their respiratory tract. Every time it does, around half a dozen genetic mutations occur, says Ian Jones at the University of Reading, UK.
When Xiaolu Tang at Peking University in Beijing and colleagues studied the viral genome taken from 103 cases, they found common mutations at two locations on the genome. The team identified two types of the virus based on differences in the genome at these two regions: 72 were considered to be the “L-type” and 29 were classed “S-type”.
A separate analysis by the team suggests that the L-type was derived from the older S-type. The first strain is likely to have emerged around the time the virus jumped from animals to humans. The second emerged soon after that, says the team. Both are involved in the current global outbreak. The fact that the L-type is more prevalent suggests that it is “more aggressive” than the S-type, the team say.
“There do appear to be two different strains,” says Ravinder Kanda at Oxford Brookes University in the UK. “[The L-type] might be more aggressive in transmitting itself, but we have no idea yet how these underlying genetic changes will relate to disease severity,” she says.
“I think it’s a fact that there are two strains,” says Erik Volz at Imperial College London. “It’s normal for viruses to undergo evolution when they are transmitted to a new host.”
It is vital to know how many strains of the virus exist. Around the world, multiple groups are working on a vaccine for the virus. Any vaccine will need to target features that are found in both strains of the virus in order to be effective.
The differences between the two identified strains are tiny. In fact, they can’t really be considered to be separate “strains”, says Jones. And many of the genetic differences won’t affect the production of proteins, and so won’t change the way the virus works, or the symptoms it causes, he says. One is not more deadly than the other.
“In all practical terms, the virus is as it was when it originally emerged,” says Jones. “There’s no evidence it is getting any worse.” The sentiment is echoed by the World Health Organization. The study by Tang and colleagues only suggests there is some genetic diversity of the virus – it doesn’t mean it is changing, a representative told New Scientist.
But we can’t say for sure. The study only represents 103 cases. A larger, online database has collated the sequencing results from 166 cases. Both represent a drop in the ocean of the almost 100,000 officially reported cases.
Jones says we can expect more strains to emerge. Epidemiologists generally agree that, once a person is infected with the coronavirus, they are unlikely to be infected again – unless the virus mutates to allow it to overcome the immune system’s defences.
This “selection pressure” could lead to the outbreak of a new strain, says Jones. This is the case with seasonal flu – new variants crop up every year that can infect people whether or not they’ve had flu in the past.
We could see the same pattern emerge for the new coronavirus in the coming years, says Jones. “I don’t see it going away any time soon.”'
Journal reference: National Science Review, DOI: 10.1093/nsr/nwaa036
There is 'some' evidence that there are 2 strains of the new virus. I have pasted in the whole article from https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... re-deadly/
'Two strains of the new coronavirus are spreading around the world, according to an analysis of 103 cases. But the World Health Organization insists that “there is no evidence that the virus has been changing”. So how many strains are there, and why does it matter?
Viruses are always mutating, especially RNA viruses like this one, coronavirus SARS-CoV-2. When a person is infected with the coronavirus, it replicates in their respiratory tract. Every time it does, around half a dozen genetic mutations occur, says Ian Jones at the University of Reading, UK.
When Xiaolu Tang at Peking University in Beijing and colleagues studied the viral genome taken from 103 cases, they found common mutations at two locations on the genome. The team identified two types of the virus based on differences in the genome at these two regions: 72 were considered to be the “L-type” and 29 were classed “S-type”.
A separate analysis by the team suggests that the L-type was derived from the older S-type. The first strain is likely to have emerged around the time the virus jumped from animals to humans. The second emerged soon after that, says the team. Both are involved in the current global outbreak. The fact that the L-type is more prevalent suggests that it is “more aggressive” than the S-type, the team say.
“There do appear to be two different strains,” says Ravinder Kanda at Oxford Brookes University in the UK. “[The L-type] might be more aggressive in transmitting itself, but we have no idea yet how these underlying genetic changes will relate to disease severity,” she says.
“I think it’s a fact that there are two strains,” says Erik Volz at Imperial College London. “It’s normal for viruses to undergo evolution when they are transmitted to a new host.”
It is vital to know how many strains of the virus exist. Around the world, multiple groups are working on a vaccine for the virus. Any vaccine will need to target features that are found in both strains of the virus in order to be effective.
The differences between the two identified strains are tiny. In fact, they can’t really be considered to be separate “strains”, says Jones. And many of the genetic differences won’t affect the production of proteins, and so won’t change the way the virus works, or the symptoms it causes, he says. One is not more deadly than the other.
“In all practical terms, the virus is as it was when it originally emerged,” says Jones. “There’s no evidence it is getting any worse.” The sentiment is echoed by the World Health Organization. The study by Tang and colleagues only suggests there is some genetic diversity of the virus – it doesn’t mean it is changing, a representative told New Scientist.
But we can’t say for sure. The study only represents 103 cases. A larger, online database has collated the sequencing results from 166 cases. Both represent a drop in the ocean of the almost 100,000 officially reported cases.
Jones says we can expect more strains to emerge. Epidemiologists generally agree that, once a person is infected with the coronavirus, they are unlikely to be infected again – unless the virus mutates to allow it to overcome the immune system’s defences.
This “selection pressure” could lead to the outbreak of a new strain, says Jones. This is the case with seasonal flu – new variants crop up every year that can infect people whether or not they’ve had flu in the past.
We could see the same pattern emerge for the new coronavirus in the coming years, says Jones. “I don’t see it going away any time soon.”'
Journal reference: National Science Review, DOI: 10.1093/nsr/nwaa036
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China will soon eradicate covid-19. The draconian measures worked. Loss of GDP obviously: the engine of the planet coughed, we'll all get sick now.
Civil servants riding towards a remote spot to fight covid-19. Well done, China.
Civil servants riding towards a remote spot to fight covid-19. Well done, China.
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I assume it's the horses that are going to do the fighting. The people have failed miserably. [:D]
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China will soon eradicate covid-19. The draconian measures worked. Loss of GDP obviously: the engine of the planet coughed, we'll all get sick now.
Civil servants riding towards a remote spot to fight covid-19. Well done, China.
ne nothi tere te deorsum (don't let the bastards grind you down)
If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
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I assume it's the horses that are going to do the fighting. The people have failed miserably. [:D]
That's not what WHO and informed people say. Trolls don't count eh
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Greetings to All,
Gov Cuomo had live TV broadcast late this morning that there are now 142 confirmed cases of Corona Virus in NY state.
He said this makes NY state #1 for Corona Virus in U.S.
https://www.wamc.org/post/first-covid-1 ... tinue-rise
My college has posted emergency preparedness plan in case of campus outbreak:
All faculty will use email, Canvas online Learning Management System (LMS) and Zoom webinar for remote/distance learning.
Several colleges and universities in NY city are now closed as a precaution and will use remote/distance learning.
Gov Cuomo had live TV broadcast late this morning that there are now 142 confirmed cases of Corona Virus in NY state.
He said this makes NY state #1 for Corona Virus in U.S.
https://www.wamc.org/post/first-covid-1 ... tinue-rise
My college has posted emergency preparedness plan in case of campus outbreak:
All faculty will use email, Canvas online Learning Management System (LMS) and Zoom webinar for remote/distance learning.
Several colleges and universities in NY city are now closed as a precaution and will use remote/distance learning.
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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
ORIGINAL: Lobster
I assume it's the horses that are going to do the fighting. The people have failed miserably. [:D]
That's not what WHO and informed people say. Trolls don't count eh
If people had done their job instead of hiding behind lies we wouldn't be at this stage so yeah, I'll go with the horses. [;)]
https://futurism.com/neoscope/timeline- ... -worldwide
ne nothi tere te deorsum (don't let the bastards grind you down)
If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
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What lies exactly? Oh, you will not believe what we just found! A "once-in-a-century pathogen"... you see, normal stuff here in China.
The rest of the world knew better. That's why everyone was saying -until very recently- "nah, just a flu". If you think the this is a flu brigade would have fared better, I have a bridge to sell you.
The point is the Chinese reacted very quickly. Again, that's what WHO and assorted experts say. I'm not an epidemiologist (nobody on this thread is), just sharing the data I gathered from -I hope and think- reliable people, organisations. That's what we all do.
The rest of the world knew better. That's why everyone was saying -until very recently- "nah, just a flu". If you think the this is a flu brigade would have fared better, I have a bridge to sell you.
The point is the Chinese reacted very quickly. Again, that's what WHO and assorted experts say. I'm not an epidemiologist (nobody on this thread is), just sharing the data I gathered from -I hope and think- reliable people, organisations. That's what we all do.
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ORIGINAL: Lobster
ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
ORIGINAL: Lobster
I assume it's the horses that are going to do the fighting. The people have failed miserably. [:D]
That's not what WHO and informed people say. Trolls don't count eh
If people had done their job instead of hiding behind lies we wouldn't be at this stage so yeah, I'll go with the horses. [;)]
https://futurism.com/neoscope/timeline- ... -worldwide
Why don't you go live someplace where everything is strictly regulated the way that you appear to want it to be. Oh wait, that society will probably die out since no children would be born if it . . .
Seek peace but keep your gun handy.
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I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
“Illegitemus non carborundum est (“Don’t let the bastards grind you down”).”
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That's not what WHO and informed people say. Trolls don't count eh
If people had done their job instead of hiding behind lies we wouldn't be at this stage so yeah, I'll go with the horses. [;)]
https://futurism.com/neoscope/timeline- ... -worldwide
Why don't you go live someplace where everything is strictly regulated the way that you appear to want it to be. Oh wait, that society will probably die out since no children would be born if it . . .
Tell that to the doctor that alerted people there was a new virus and was arrested for doing the responsible thing. Oh wait, he died from the virus he was trying to warn the world about.
ne nothi tere te deorsum (don't let the bastards grind you down)
If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
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Why don't you [...]
Why don't you talk about the covid-19? Any data to share? I'm afraid draconian measures aka China's lesson will be needed. China stopped its economy just for the lulz, yes, that makes a lot of sense [:D] Japanese schools closed in march for the lulz too. And today, oops, Italy... total lockdown. Just for the lulz again.
Or... maybe... China did the right thing and will soon be sending to the rest of the world equipment, experience, doctors and nurses... stay tuned [;)]
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Tell that to the doctor [...]
No, you tell that to the this is a flu ad nauseam brigade... only now they are disappearing from the map... [;)]
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Well, I live in Alabama and the insular state has not one patient yet, knock on wood. I WILL say, though, my brother and I got sick in January.
I got what they called "sinusitis" early in January, and then about 2 weeks later, I came down with some kind of 72 hour bug. I started getting sick on Friday and the fever broke on Sunday. I was miserable. This is SO rare for me to get sick at all. I did not go to the doctor for the second sickness because I got better before Monday.
I never get sick twice in one month like that and I had the flu shot. My brother said he never gets sick like that, either. We had 2 people in the office get the flu. One supposedly had a "relapse". Seems pretty weird. Just thinking on it.
I got what they called "sinusitis" early in January, and then about 2 weeks later, I came down with some kind of 72 hour bug. I started getting sick on Friday and the fever broke on Sunday. I was miserable. This is SO rare for me to get sick at all. I did not go to the doctor for the second sickness because I got better before Monday.
I never get sick twice in one month like that and I had the flu shot. My brother said he never gets sick like that, either. We had 2 people in the office get the flu. One supposedly had a "relapse". Seems pretty weird. Just thinking on it.
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He that has a mind to fight, let him fight, for now is the time. - Anacreon
RE: OT - The New Coronavirus
ORIGINAL: Lobster
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: Lobster
If people had done their job instead of hiding behind lies we wouldn't be at this stage so yeah, I'll go with the horses. [;)]
https://futurism.com/neoscope/timeline- ... -worldwide
Why don't you go live someplace where everything is strictly regulated the way that you appear to want it to be. Oh wait, that society will probably die out since no children would be born if it . . .
Tell that to the doctor that alerted people there was a new virus and was arrested for doing the responsible thing. Oh wait, he died from the virus he was trying to warn the world about.
When the doctors showed that they were correct, they were released. Then China took drastic steps. The society that I live in is more open. While there are drastic steps that can be taken in an emergency, I do not see such an emergency yet. If people would take proper precautions, it should not get out of hand. Even if a person has a simple cold, they should be selfish and not share. But some people still feel that they should share their illness, at least according to their actions.
Seek peace but keep your gun handy.
I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
“Illegitemus non carborundum est (“Don’t let the bastards grind you down”).”
; Julia Child
I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
“Illegitemus non carborundum est (“Don’t let the bastards grind you down”).”
; Julia ChildRE: OT - The New Coronavirus
Gilmer, you are golden if you had Corona. Corona symptoms are identical to the flu.., and of course you survived as does everyone with decent health. Go out and party everywhere because you are now immune.
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Why don't you [...]
Why don't you talk about the covid-19? Any data to share? I'm afraid draconian measures aka China's lesson will be needed. China stopped its economy just for the lulz, yes, that makes a lot of sense [:D] Japanese schools closed in march for the lulz too. And today, oops, Italy... total lockdown. Just for the lulz again.
Or... maybe... China did the right thing and will soon be sending to the rest of the world equipment, experience, doctors and nurses... stay tuned [;)]
They shut the gate after the horse was out of the barn. Good job. [:D]
Not saying any more because I would have to get into politics.
ne nothi tere te deorsum (don't let the bastards grind you down)
If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
RE: OT - The New Coronavirus
ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
Why don't you [...]
Why don't you talk about the covid-19? Any data to share? I'm afraid draconian measures aka China's lesson will be needed. China stopped its economy just for the lulz, yes, that makes a lot of sense [:D] Japanese schools closed in march for the lulz too. And today, oops, Italy... total lockdown. Just for the lulz again.
Or... maybe... China did the right thing and will soon be sending to the rest of the world equipment, experience, doctors and nurses... stay tuned [;)]
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ne nothi tere te deorsum (don't let the bastards grind you down)
If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
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How is this.
https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/why-are-k ... es-so-low/
According to the WHO on March 6, the crude mortality ratio for Covid-19 – that is, the number of reported deaths divided by the number of reported cases – is between 3-4%. In Korea, as of March 9, that figure was a mere 0.7%.
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Key factors include a robust national health service; prior experience of virus outbreaks and related preparations; aggressive execution of testing, isolation and treatment protocols, fully backed by the law – and two incidences of good fortune.
https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/why-are-k ... es-so-low/
Seek peace but keep your gun handy.
I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
“Illegitemus non carborundum est (“Don’t let the bastards grind you down”).”
; Julia Child
I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
“Illegitemus non carborundum est (“Don’t let the bastards grind you down”).”
; Julia ChildRE: OT - The New Coronavirus
Greetings RangerJoe,
Thank for posting the asiatimes article on South Korea's campaign to deal with Corona Virus.
I wonder if North Korea is effectively dealing with Corona Virus since they deny any cases of it there.
However, there are reports/leaks that North Korean soldiers along the Chinese border may have come down with Corona Virus and been quarantined.
https://www.businessinsider.com/almost- ... rus-2020-3
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51796776
https://www.foxnews.com/world/north-kor ... irus-fight
Thank for posting the asiatimes article on South Korea's campaign to deal with Corona Virus.
I wonder if North Korea is effectively dealing with Corona Virus since they deny any cases of it there.
However, there are reports/leaks that North Korean soldiers along the Chinese border may have come down with Corona Virus and been quarantined.
https://www.businessinsider.com/almost- ... rus-2020-3
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51796776
https://www.foxnews.com/world/north-kor ... irus-fight