Moderator: maddog986
ORIGINAL: Red2112
ORIGINAL: demyansk
If this is the new reaction to everything, society will crumble. Just close everything, crazy, the only thing that really needs to be corrected is drug production being made in USA.
It´s a eye opener that´s for sure, at least for those who do want to open there eyes!
; Julia Child
ORIGINAL: Red2112
Thanks guys for your support! Reaction times are still slow, no one has called me from healthcare, as to what I should do, and really doubt they will, which goes to show how bad this is going overall. I feel ok, but can´t say same for my mother, and that´s were these things get nasty, when it effects you personally. So mind your words Wodin, you might not be saying the same a month from now...
On the bright side and OT, @rommel222, I just got my new scope last month and some new eyepices too (Meade AC80/400). Learning alot from Cloudy Nights (alias Mike710), but I know your the Astro pro here on Matrix, so might send you some PM´s with doubts in the future if OK.
Sorry for the OT, but if there´s interest then a proper thread would be opened. Just though it was not enough for a couple of lines to rommel22.
Red
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; Julia Child
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe
Can you call your mother? Even a few words might cheer her up.
By the way, I do believe that the best time and place to look at heavenly bodies would be a nice warm day at the beach! You could post pictures . . .
ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins
The Chinese Communists have the fundamental blame for all of this, but I agree that I have not been impressed, though also not surprised, at the slow speed of bureaucracy in most of the free world.
ORIGINAL: z1812
The Chinese have not been Communist for quite a while. They still have the " Communist Party " as an element of their government but it is really only in name communist. They are business people and are very Capitalistic. So much so that many American and European companies have large operations there. Think Mercedes, Boeing, Nike and Starbucks to name but a few.
In regards to China's initial response, did they really do anything different than any other country? In every country measures were brought out, drip by drip, drop by drop.
ORIGINAL: z1812
The corona virus has been isolated.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6670445/cana ... -isolated/
ORIGINAL: z1812
ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins
The Chinese Communists have the fundamental blame for all of this, but I agree that I have not been impressed, though also not surprised, at the slow speed of bureaucracy in most of the free world.
The Chinese have not been Communist for quite a while. They still have the " Communist Party " as an element of their government but it is really only in name communist. They are business people and are very Capitalistic. So much so that many American and European companies have large operations there. Think Mercedes, Boeing, Nike and Starbucks to name but a few.
The disease started within one of the live animal markets which are as ingrained in Chinese Culture as Prostitution, Drug Abuse, and other problematic behaviours are ingrained in all cultures. Ingrained traditional cultural deviance is extremely difficult to control and impossible to eradicate. The Chinese have tried.
In regards to China's initial response, did they really do anything different than any other country? In every country measures were brought out, drip by drip, drop by drop.
I presume most health officials are happy to have the benefit of China's experience.
; Julia Child
ORIGINAL: Red2112
Maybe we need a new thread, as in "What will you do in case of a lockdown" [:D]
So tell us with what are you going to spend your free time with...
Just trying to be positive here folks.
Red
ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins
ORIGINAL: z1812
The Chinese have not been Communist for quite a while. They still have the " Communist Party " as an element of their government but it is really only in name communist. They are business people and are very Capitalistic. So much so that many American and European companies have large operations there. Think Mercedes, Boeing, Nike and Starbucks to name but a few.
The party leaders are not capitalistic business people, but rather authoritarian thugs intent on enriching themselves and gaining power. There's a big difference. The still teach and preach communist orthodoxy, though I agree that they have allowed many divergences from it in the interest of wealth and power and I'm not sure most of the leaders still believe it, but it still serves as a powerful ideological tool for them and certainly many are still believers.
In regards to China's initial response, did they really do anything different than any other country? In every country measures were brought out, drip by drip, drop by drop.
Yes, there was one very key difference. They spent weeks covering it up. I agree that other governments have not covered themselves in glory, but at least in a free society we would have had a chance to nip it in the bud. China's response after it had to reveal the truth to the world was extreme and effective, but much time was already lost and at the same time China was using its leverage to tell other countries to _not_ ban travel to/from China even while their outbreak was still growing. Had we had no cover-up, an effective response and an acceptance of travel bans until under control in China, we might be in a better place today.
Regards,
- Erik
ORIGINAL: z1812
ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins
ORIGINAL: z1812
The Chinese have not been Communist for quite a while. They still have the " Communist Party " as an element of their government but it is really only in name communist. They are business people and are very Capitalistic. So much so that many American and European companies have large operations there. Think Mercedes, Boeing, Nike and Starbucks to name but a few.
The party leaders are not capitalistic business people, but rather authoritarian thugs intent on enriching themselves and gaining power. There's a big difference. The still teach and preach communist orthodoxy, though I agree that they have allowed many divergences from it in the interest of wealth and power and I'm not sure most of the leaders still believe it, but it still serves as a powerful ideological tool for them and certainly many are still believers.
In regards to China's initial response, did they really do anything different than any other country? In every country measures were brought out, drip by drip, drop by drop.
Yes, there was one very key difference. They spent weeks covering it up. I agree that other governments have not covered themselves in glory, but at least in a free society we would have had a chance to nip it in the bud. China's response after it had to reveal the truth to the world was extreme and effective, but much time was already lost and at the same time China was using its leverage to tell other countries to _not_ ban travel to/from China even while their outbreak was still growing. Had we had no cover-up, an effective response and an acceptance of travel bans until under control in China, we might be in a better place today.
Regards,
- Erik
Hi Eric,
My response to some of your points.
"The party leaders are not capitalistic business people, but rather authoritarian thugs intent on enriching themselves and gaining power. There's a big difference."
How does that differ from the ruling class in most other countries? Are you saying they are not interested in enriching themselves and gaining power? Authoritarian Thugs..............well there is certainly enough of them around.......and not just in China.
Had we had no cover-up, an effective response and an acceptance of travel bans until under control in China, we might be in a better place today.
Do you have a reliable evidentiary source that proves the Chinese covered it up? You said they covered it up for weeks. That is the same amount of time it has taken most western countries to take this seriously and put proper precautions in place. Were they covering up as well?
Hopefully countries will spend some time after this is dealt with to properly plan for the inevitable next one.
We do agree however that some wargaming is one the most entertaining things we can do to pass some time while this is virus is sorted out. FPRS and JTCS here.
Regards,
John
; Julia ChildChinese government has on Wednesday approved the use of Arthritis drug for Coronavirus treatment.
The Socialists state said inspite its prescription of Swiss drugmaker Roche’s <ROG.S> anti-inflammation drug Actemra for patients who develop severe complications from the coronavirus, it still hunts for new ways to combat the deadly virus.
Disclosing this, the Physiciansweekly.com opined that “China is hoping that some older drugs could stop severe cytokine release syndrome (CRS), or cytokine storms, an overreaction of the immune system which is considered a major factor behind catastrophic organ failure and death in some coronavirus patients.
Since Actemra’s approval a decade ago, it has become a go-to drug against other inflammatory conditions, including cytokine storms in cancer patients receiving cell therapies from Novartis <NOVN.S> and Gilead Sciences <GILD.O>.
In 2012 it helped save the life of a young U.S. girl, the first child to be treated for leukaemia with Novatis’ Kymriah, from a post-treatment rush of IL-6.
An anti-inflammation drug, Actemra (tocilizumab), manufactured by the Swiss pharmaceutical company, Roche, has been approved by the Chinese government for the treatment of patients who are developing severe complications from coronavirus.
Actemra is indicated for the treatment of adult patients with moderately to severely active rheumatoid arthritis who have had an inadequate response to one or more Disease-Modifying Anti-Rheumatic Drugs.
Roche was quoted as saying that a third party has initiated the trial independently to explore the efficacy and safety of the drug in coronavirus patients with cytokine release syndrome (CRS).
; Julia Child
