OT: Corona virus

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Anachro

Let's not forget the Chinese government internally is under enormous pressure to lift the lock down as soon as possible to head off greater domestic economic damage. I definitely wouldn't put it past Xi and others in his council deciding to lift things before they probably should.

warspite1

Well I don't know what should be being done for the best, but the above comment is one reason why I am inclined to trust the approach being taken by the UK. It is surely simply impossible to put everything on lockdown for an indeterminate length of time. We are already starting to see some economic impacts - there are some big names apparently in trouble already. And who is to then pronounce when that lock down should be lifted? After all that pain that is a decision that really doesn't need to be got wrong...

But who knows? Difficult times indeed and a lot of pain ahead no doubt - even if the more wild scenarios don't come to pass.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

my local walmart run out of toilet paper, pasta, tuna cans [:@]

I was able to buy a lot of food, but things are going to get creative once I finish my last TP roll in a few days [:(]

Maybe I should take my limited resources, buy toilet paper, and resell it . . .

Personally, I like wide, soft, damp leaves when I am out in the woods . . .
But NO leaflets of three . . . [X(]

You learned that the hard way, I bet....

Nope, I learned by training . . .

[Scott_USN]

Would think this was more deadly and contagious than the swine flu or something. People all over have gone crazy and of course when doctors get on national TV claiming numbers that don't exist (100,000 infected in Ohio) doesn't help.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Scott_USN

Would think this was more deadly and contagious than the swine flu or something. People all over have gone crazy and of course when doctors get on national TV claiming numbers that don't exist (100,000 infected in Ohio) doesn't help.

I think that this is partly to boost their egos and partly to boost their budgets . . . [8|]

[Scott_USN]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Scott_USN

Would think this was more deadly and contagious than the swine flu or something. People all over have gone crazy and of course when doctors get on national TV claiming numbers that don't exist (100,000 infected in Ohio) doesn't help.

I think that this is partly to boost their egos and partly to boost their budgets . . . [8|]

Yeah seen a lot of budgets being boosted!

[MakeeLearn]

Here is some fun to deflate the seriousness.


I'am in the health care profession and we are having difficulties getting certain things that we buy at the store. As other people walk out with 3 months supply.

[:)] People have 6 months of toilet paper and 2 weeks of food.


There is so much I could write on current events and how we got here.

A fact to ponder:

D-Day
Men in the 1st wave to hit the beaches were told that casualties would be in the 90 percentile. I've never been able to find any record of someone backing out.

Here is something I hope you find funny. I have wised up!!! For the past year I have been doing "Cleaning" within myself. I have turned the core of my thinking back a few hundred years

Someone of today's mold might look at me now and say:

"He is a racist, misogynist, bigot, ... and all the other bad words of today's world."

But NO matter what they call me it contains the word "Man". And I'am drowning in women, 18 to 80. And the ones that disagree with my beliefs are the ones most attracted to me.

I will probably be shot by a jealous husband.

Someone has to be in that first wave.[:D]

[Canoerebel]

I don't know what you're talking about, Loka. I've never used the term "deep state." I don't know what it means. And I don't know why it's offensive.

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I started this thread to get insight from the thoughtful members of the community.

People like Chiekenboy, who has a particular expertise in this area.

But good men couldn't keep themselves under control and became incredibly offensive.

I'm out of here.

The term "deep state" is itself incredibly offensive and pejorative. I wish you would've scrubbed it from the headline at minimum.

[Canoerebel]

I thought the critical thing in the fight is to flatten the curve, slowing growth, stretching things out over time so that medical facilities aren't overwhelmed at any one time. If that's true, and I think it is, then it's essential to find ways to follow China's example and stop the exponential growth.

ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive

I'd be very cautious about taking too much optimism from the Chinese data at this point. All it shows is really what you would expect from a virus of this nature which is that if you lock everything down the increase in case numbers will slow down and indeed will eventually stop. The problem is that at some point those restrictions will have to be lifted and in the absence of any vaccine the case numbers will start to rise again.

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[Sammy5IsAlive]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Here is some fun to deflate the seriousness.


I'am in the health care profession and we are having difficulties getting certain things that we buy at the store. As other people walk out with 3 months supply.

[:)] People have 6 months of toilet paper and 2 weeks of food.


There is so much I could write on current events and how we got here.

A fact to ponder:

D-Day
Men in the 1st wave to hit the beaches were told that casualties would be in the 90 percentile. I've never been able to find any record of someone backing out.

Here is something I hope you find funny. I have wised up!!! For the past year I have been doing "Cleaning" within myself. I have turned the core of my thinking back a few hundred years

Someone of today's mold might look at me now and say:

"He is a racist, misogynist, bigot, ... and all the other bad words of today's world."

But NO matter what they call me it contains the word "Man". And I'am drowning in women, 18 to 80. And the ones that disagree with my beliefs are the ones most attracted to me.

I will probably be shot by a jealous husband.

Someone has to be in that first wave.[:D]

That D-Day statistic is indeed sobering - it is why as the last veterans pass away we should strive to ensure that their generation is never forgotten.

Perhaps it has some relevance to the current situation in terms of people appreciating that things could be a lot worse.

But at the same time you can come at it from a different direction - in terms of total population the fatality rates for the US and UK were 0.32% and 0.94% respectively. The current global CV-19 fatality rate stands at 3.7%. So even if just a quarter of the UK/US population eventually becomes infected you are looking at a WW2 scale loss of life.

As an aside, I think whenever discussing WW2 fatality rates it is always worth drawing comparision of the US/UK rates above with the USSR estimated loss of c13-14% of their population and the estimate that roughly half of the pre-war European Jewish population were killed in the Holocaust. As above that is not to denigrate the US/UK and certainly not those that served in the armed forces - I just think it is important to keep in perspective a) the contribution of the USSR, whatever our more recent political differences with them and b) the scale of the Holocaust.

[Canoerebel]

I think only one USA division had combat experience on D-Day. IIRC, the thinking was that raw troops might be more willing to push, as they were facing an unknown. The veterans might be more reluctant, facing the known.

I wonder how many Anzio vets there were on D-Day?

[Scott_USN]

Yep the Big Red 1 was the only combat division that I know of.

[Canoerebel]

One of the airborne divisions (82nd) had seen combat at Sicily and I think around Anzio too, so a sizeable percentage of the airborne troops were vets. But the poor guys on the beaches were mostly untested soldiers from places like Bedford, Virginia.

[Canoerebel]

Korea has reached the point where the number of recoveries is rising dramatically.

Three or four days ago, Korea was reporting 51 deaths and 118 recoveries.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Here is some fun to deflate the seriousness.


I'am in the health care profession and we are having difficulties getting certain things that we buy at the store. As other people walk out with 3 months supply.

[:)] People have 6 months of toilet paper and 2 weeks of food.


There is so much I could write on current events and how we got here.

A fact to ponder:

D-Day
Men in the 1st wave to hit the beaches were told that casualties would be in the 90 percentile. I've never been able to find any record of someone backing out.

Here is something I hope you find funny. I have wised up!!! For the past year I have been doing "Cleaning" within myself. I have turned the core of my thinking back a few hundred years

Someone of today's mold might look at me now and say:

"He is a racist, misogynist, bigot, ... and all the other bad words of today's world."

But NO matter what they call me it contains the word "Man". And I'am drowning in women, 18 to 80. And the ones that disagree with my beliefs are the ones most attracted to me.

I will probably be shot by a jealous husband.

Someone has to be in that first wave.[:D]

That D-Day statistic is indeed sobering - it is why as the last veterans pass away we should strive to ensure that their generation is never forgotten.

Perhaps it has some relevance to the current situation in terms of people appreciating that things could be a lot worse.

But at the same time you can come at it from a different direction - in terms of total population the fatality rates for the US and UK were 0.32% and 0.94% respectively. The current global CV-19 fatality rate stands at 3.7%. So even if just a quarter of the UK/US population eventually becomes infected you are looking at a WW2 scale loss of life.

As an aside, I think whenever discussing WW2 fatality rates it is always worth drawing comparision of the US/UK rates above with the USSR estimated loss of c13-14% of their population and the estimate that roughly half of the pre-war European Jewish population were killed in the Holocaust. As above that is not to denigrate the US/UK and certainly not those that served in the armed forces - I just think it is important to keep in perspective a) the contribution of the USSR, whatever our more recent political differences with them and b) the scale of the Holocaust.

With so little food, why do they need that much toilet paper?

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I thought the critical thing in the fight is to flatten the curve, slowing growth, stretching things out over time so that medical facilities aren't overwhelmed at any one time. If that's true, and I think it is, then it's essential to find ways to follow China's example and stop the exponential growth.

ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive

I'd be very cautious about taking too much optimism from the Chinese data at this point. All it shows is really what you would expect from a virus of this nature which is that if you lock everything down the increase in case numbers will slow down and indeed will eventually stop. The problem is that at some point those restrictions will have to be lifted and in the absence of any vaccine the case numbers will start to rise again.

...

The UK ‘s top medical advisor just wrote an article explaining the rationale. Can’t link now from the phone but it’s similar to the explanation above. You can’t isolate and distance forever. They’re banking on the idea they can delay the growth, flatten the curve but also get people exposed through the next three or four months so that there won’t be another bigger wave later as with the 1918 flu.

Spot on about needing more visible care for vulnerable and that this may not actually be the best choice; it’s a gamble. The private sector though is ramping down and large gatherings are being cancelled as well as people changing behavioral patterns.

Testing is not widespread and I think that may be to quell panic and allow the govt to trade difficulty now for a perceived better immunity later. But Boris did say he thinks there could be 10k cases here right now.

I think it’s going to be a hard few months and we may not know if it’s worth it until this time next year.

[Sammy5IsAlive]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Korea has reached the point where the number of recoveries is rising dramatically.

Three or four days ago, Korea was reporting 51 deaths and 118 recoveries.

Even with Italy levels of mortality you have 93% of people recovering. So in every affected country you'll see a big spike of recoveries at some point (c. 14 days?) after the virus started really gathering speed in terms of infections.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Korea has reached the point where the number of recoveries is rising dramatically.

Three or four days ago, Korea was reporting 51 deaths and 118 recoveries.

Even with Italy levels of mortality you have 93% of people recovering. So in every affected country you'll see a big spike of recoveries at some point (c. 14 days?) after the virus started really gathering speed in terms of infections.

A lot of people have a mild case for up to eight days. Some can still turn serious that late and go downhill fast. So a case might be contracted, have 3-7 days before symptoms show up, then 5-8 days before it turns serious or gets better, then if bad another battle for 7-14 days until recovery or not.

In some cases people are in this for 3-4 weeks.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I don't know what you're talking about, Loka. I've never used the term "deep state." I don't know what it means. And I don't know why it's offensive.

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I started this thread to get insight from the thoughtful members of the community.

People like Chiekenboy, who has a particular expertise in this area.

But good men couldn't keep themselves under control and became incredibly offensive.

I'm out of here.

The term "deep state" is itself incredibly offensive and pejorative. I wish you would've scrubbed it from the headline at minimum.

Please disregard the direction (although not the content) of my comment - I mistook the author of the post.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

Yup - toilet paper is getting to be a prized commodity.

I would only byy the unused half of that toilet paper roll ...[:'(]

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

TAR and FEATHERS!!!


Couple Makes More Than $100,000 Reselling Lysol Wipes Amid Coronavirus Fears: “We’re Hustlers”

https://balleralert.com/profiles/blogs/ ... ronavirus/

"A Vancouver couple is capitalizing on the growing hysteria surrounding the spread of coronavirus.⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀

According to The Star, Manny Ranga and his wife Violeta Perez parked their Ford F-150 outside of a Costco near downtown Vancouver this week with stacks upon stacks of “Lysol disinfecting wipes.”

The couple claimed they’ve made over $100,000 so far with their “business model.” They hit up each Costco retailer within the area, and racked up on as many Lysol wipes and liquid cleaners they could get their hands on, spending thousands of dollars at a time and then reselling them on Amazon under their vendor name “Violeta & Sons Buying and Selling, Ltd.”

Ranga revealed that one $20 six-pack of wipes could fetch 4 times as much online. The couple stocked their valued wipes in a storage area on their property, and in turn, resold them for $89."

What you have described is a business enterprise, and the couple should have registered their business with local authorities and prepared books of their activity for the IRS so they can pay the appropriate taxes. If they have not done so, I hope they get caught. This is a smaller version of that Pharmacy company CEO who jacked up the price of Epi-pens (adrenalin for allergic reactions) by 6X just because his company held a monopoly on the product. It's immoral and probably illegal somewhere in the laws and precedents of the country.