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Coronavirus could be changing grocery shopping forever
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... li=BBnb7Kz
"The outbreak of Coronavirus is pushing Americans to buy their groceries online, a development that could have a lasting effect on the supermarket industry."
4)The figure that worries me with the US is the testing per million: 116. The US is bigger by population than the combined people of the UK, Italy, France, Spain and Germany. Testing so little in such a large population means there is a lot of this virus going around and spreading and no one knows where, or how much.
ORIGINAL: Uncivil Engineer
ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
Coronavirus could be changing grocery shopping forever
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... li=BBnb7Kz
"The outbreak of Coronavirus is pushing Americans to buy their groceries online, a development that could have a lasting effect on the supermarket industry."
And that is probably why Amazon stock was up $100 today (last time I looked).
ORIGINAL: tolsdorff
4)The figure that worries me with the US is the testing per million: 116. The US is bigger by population than the combined people of the UK, Italy, France, Spain and Germany. Testing so little in such a large population means there is a lot of this virus going around and spreading and no one knows where, or how much.
So this supposes that there is a lot of the virus spreading everywhere, with no one knowing where or how. But, I wonder, where are the piles of dead people on the street, being caused by all this?
Really. when all the media and the hysteria are to be taken seriously, this ''''pandemic''' is of the scale of the bubonic plague. However, I have failed to spot 1 cart full of dead, and I was outside today for 7 hours, cycling. And yesterday, and the day before that. (I am 47, and feel great, A LOT BETTER than anyone staying inside for whatever reason)
I greet a lot of people that also apparently risk their lives at great personal cost, going outside and enjoy a walk or a bicycle ride. I have contact with them, even touch them (WOW). Shake hands. I should be dead by now I guess. But I am not, nor are they.
I should have seen something. Piles of burning corpses or what not. But nothing. Mostly HEALTHY farmers and older people, going about their business as they have been doing for 3 months now. The hysteria did become more noticeable however when i entered the city again (my town, Breda, is, ironically, known for Advanced level education in teaching and software design, [&:].)
This is just another one of a string of social media inspired hysterical occurences.
No reason to destroy the world economy, or lock healthy people indoors at all.
just my uninformed 2 cents
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
ORIGINAL: obvert
We also ordered a fresh farm box
What is in it? When my kids were growing up we bought raw milk from a farm. Plus we did 4H chickens, turkeys and raised dairy calves (and showed them). Great experience for the kids and us adults as well. Plus everything tasted great...especially the turkey on Thanksgiving!
ORIGINAL: tolsdorff
4)The figure that worries me with the US is the testing per million: 116. The US is bigger by population than the combined people of the UK, Italy, France, Spain and Germany. Testing so little in such a large population means there is a lot of this virus going around and spreading and no one knows where, or how much.
So this supposes that there is a lot of the virus spreading everywhere, with no one knowing where or how. But, I wonder, where are the piles of dead people on the street, being caused by all this?
Really. when all the media and the hysteria are to be taken seriously, this ''''pandemic''' is of the scale of the bubonic plague. However, I have failed to spot 1 cart full of dead, and I was outside today for 7 hours, cycling. And yesterday, and the day before that. (I am 47, and feel great, A LOT BETTER than anyone staying inside for whatever reason)
I greet a lot of people that also apparently risk their lives at great personal cost, going outside and enjoy a walk or a bicycle ride. I have contact with them, even touch them (WOW). Shake hands. I should be dead by now I guess. But I am not, nor are they.
I should have seen something. Piles of burning corpses or what not. But nothing. Mostly HEALTHY farmers and older people, going about their business as they have been doing for 3 months now. The hysteria did become more noticeable however when i entered the city again (my town, Breda, is, ironically, known for Advanced level education in teaching and software design, [&:].)
This is just another one of a string of social media inspired hysterical occurences.
No reason to destroy the world economy, or lock healthy people indoors at all.
just my uninformed 2 cents
Really. when all the media and the hysteria are to be taken seriously, this ''''pandemic''' is of the scale of the bubonic plague. However, I have failed to spot 1 cart full of dead, and I was outside today for 7 hours, cycling. And yesterday, and the day before that. (I am 47, and feel great, A LOT BETTER than anyone staying inside for whatever reason)
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
I doubt there's a substantial amount that have the attitude this is overblown, especially in metropolitan areas. Even in rural and semi-rural areas, as where I live, everything changed beginning last Thursday. As noted previously, the different levels of government took action and the local populations complied and implemented some of their own. The response overall has seemed dramatic. The younger set may be behaving differently, based upon a few apocryphal stories going around.
Have a look at this.
'People are Just Panicking;' Midwesterners unmoved over Coronavirus Outbreak.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... s-response
[font="Trebuchet MS"]“I think coronavirus is being blown out of proportion. It’s just like any other flu. It’s attacking the elders and people that have other health issues going on. It’s taking an impact on them versus the healthy 30-year-olds that takes care of themselves.”[/font]
And this is what I mean mostly. Regional differences will be extreme in the states.
[font="Trebuchet MS"]Wisconsin has 19 confirmed coronavirus cases, up from just one a week ago. The governor has declared a health emergency and ordered the closure of all schools. But in Forest county, on Wisconsin’s northern border, the health department makes no mention of the virus on its website and has no notices at its offices.
Osterman, 63, picked up a carton of sanitising wipes from the shelves opposite. Was this a sign she was worried about contracting the virus?
“No! They’re having really cheap flights right now and so I’m thinking, what the heck, I might just go some place. Somebody told me Hawaii was $400. I’m not worried one bit,” she said.[/font]
; Julia Child
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
I'll share a bit more about what is happening here in Lombardy (and in the rest of Italy), on the ground.
Yesterday Italy had the highest number of dead in a single day - 475 - surpassing even the record set by China. The number of cases jumped to 4,207 in 24 hours, with a total at 35,713 as of Wednesday.
A single, sobering symbol of the situation: "L'Eco di Bergamo" is the daily newspaper of Bergamo, near Milan and one of the hardest hit cities. Normally they publish a page of obituaries. On March, 13th the obituaries filled ten pages. I guess this is not "only a flu".
Going around, it It would seem that the Real World(tm) is not the internet; I saw a small increase of people in the streets but nothing comparable to the "Twitter Rebellions". More worrisome is the youths' attitude towards the virus. While the situation, here in Northern Italy, is not as bad as it is in other countries, many simply don't feel "really threatened" by this emergency. Of course if you are young you can get mild to no symptoms from this virus - but you will pass it around anyway, possibly starting with your parents and grandparents.
To be fair, I have to underline what I already wrote: inside supermarkets people of every age lose any sense of "social distance" and frantically blunder into each other all the time. If you are looking for a good place to legally catch the virus, well...
The government increased the already strict lockdown measures. There is a new "auto-certification" document that you have to download, print and compile; elderly people with no computers or printers must rely on the help of neighboroughs. Checks are more frequent. If you lie you get a fine and can get up to 3 years in jail; if you lie while being knowingly sick you can get up to 12 years. In a week, about 43,000 people have been denounced for "violating the quarantene".
But wait! Due to a loophole in the new lockdown decree, Italy was becoming a country of sport men! You see, if you exit your home they can stop you and ask where you are going, but "practicing physical exercise, like running" is allowed, as long as you do it alone and keep away to others. So, technically I couldn't walk to my daughter's condo except if she is sick, but I can run to her! Of course your deep purple complexion paired with a look at your belly will give away to the Police your "I used to run when I was 20 years younger" attire. As a result, the government is about to forbid any kind of physical exercise done outside your home.
Beware of a fake news: "The authorities can now reconstruct your movements by tracking your cellphone!!!1". Not true: this would be illegal even now. What authorities in Lombardy are now doing is to ask for "aggregate data" to the phone companies - i.e. data that show the movement fluxes of people, areas of heightened concentration and so on (the same data that apps like Google maps use to track traffic situations and gridlocks along your route). This allows them to evaluate the overall behaviour of the population during the quarantine while maintaining the privacy of the single.
Of course feel free for your paranoia to kick in anyway.
Also, note how this is different from what South Korea is doing (i.e., IIUC, use tracking data to reconstruct where a sick individual went before showing the first symptoms).
Banks and financial institutions are closed. Some of them operate their public area with a skeleton crew and accept visits on appointment basis only. You have to phone and check in advance if your bank offers this service - then they will evaluate if your need is "worth an appointment".
Funerals are forbidden since the beginning of the lockdown, but now the situation is becoming worse. Until a few days ago the body of the deceased was put in the coffin and brought to the cemetery. Now even this service is breaking down, and in some areas coffins were piling up in churches and other "holding areas". Now the Army is being mobilised: soldiers will take these coffins and bring them to crematory sites outside Lombardy.
Yesterday the North healthcare system officially collapsed, and new infected are now subjected to triage. It also turned out that, beside beds and medical supplies, there is another finite commodity: time. The hours that doctors and nurses can devote to the fight. Remember: being heroic actually helps no one. The fact that a percentage of medical personnel catched the virus causes fear, and fear, in turn increases the stress. Those on the frontlines have to rest and act with clear minds or costly mistakes will be made.
But there are good news too: with a Chinese-level effort, the empty spaces of the abandoned ex-Milan's Fair buildings are being turned in record time into the biggest fucking ICU in the World. Silvio Berlusconi (yup, that Silvio Berlusconi) donated 10 millions Euro to kickstart the buying of IC beds and other medical supplies for this project. Donations from other people from all strata of the society followed. Other Italian regions are looking at how Lombardy managed to pull this stunt, and there are rumbles of similar initiatives being discussed.
Another frontline is, of course, the economy. The Italian government plans to fire a bazooka of 350 billions Euro to keep it alive (with the so called "Heal Italy" decree). To put thing in context, this is 19,6% of Italy's GDP; My accountant, who works for me but also for a number of other restaurants, is trying to understand the nuances and see what the practical effects will be for us. He is, it turn, working 24/7 and co-ordinating with the accountants of the people from whom we buy our supplies - because, of course, no one is working. I wrote off all the perishables I had stored, the rest is for more hopeful times.
My accountant made an interesting comparison: "Italy is like a body infected by the Coronavirus. We must fight to keep the small, medium and big business alive, on support, while we expel the infection. If enough business die, then we can survive the virus but with our economy essentially dead."
I visit my daughter around 7PM, we dine together and then we walk in the inner park until around 10PM. Her boyfriend is now interested in my "sea stories" - and I'm now seeing how easy it is to "embellish things"... You may have seen "heartwarming" videos of Italians singing together from balconies. This is, sadly, true, and I firmly put it among the afflictions caused by this plague.
Me... I'm learning. I now bring a second pair of surgical gloves with me, because it is easy for the first one to break after handling a lot of pointy things (with "pointy" I mean even the corners of food boxes). I go to the 24h market early in the morning (around 6:30 am) because it is the only way to avoid the crowd. But the most important thing I have learned is how following strict measures keeps others save, not me (if someone sneezes right on my face while he is outside even if he is sick, there is little I can do). Everybody is responsible for those around him while, in turn, they are responsible for your well-being. An interesting thing to wonder about, but it is true.
As usual, stay safe; and hold your government accountable. I see that other countries' governments are finally waking up and starting to realise that there is a bug thingie or such going around. Big words like "We are at war!", "I'm a war President!" and the evergreen "United We Will Prevail!" are being freely distributed, as everyone is trying to convince the World how he/she was the very first to become aware of the virus. Well... What I can say...? Welcome!]
Truth is: don't be gaslighted; social awareness it is part of your effort in this "war". The delays and feet-dragging I saw (and I'm seeing right now) in some countries are stunning. You don't want to catch this thing, but you also don't want for your country to catch it, believe me.
Thank you fo this. So good to hear and understand.
; Julia ChildORIGINAL: Uncivil Engineer
ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
Coronavirus could be changing grocery shopping forever
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... li=BBnb7Kz
"The outbreak of Coronavirus is pushing Americans to buy their groceries online, a development that could have a lasting effect on the supermarket industry."
And that is probably why Amazon stock was up $100 today (last time I looked).
; Julia ChildOther banks are having problems - food banks and blood banks. The admonishments to hunker down at home have about done away with donations. [:(]ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
My bank, as of today, allows no one in the lobby, without a appointment. Drive thru only.
Certain items at the Piggly Wiggly were empty. Dry Beans, certain can goods, most types of bread. Eggs almost all gone.
Do people not know what the real world is? Evidently, not most.
You made it clear why you thought the way you did, and did not insist that anyone else must do the same: no harm, no foul!ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
You men are gentlemen. Thank you for ignoring my last post, a couple of hours ago. I went birdwatching after posting it and began having immediate "ugggg, wy'd you go there?" regrets.
On that general line of thought, the information and thinking in here has been pretty darned remarkable. Good men from all over sharing thoughts with only the occasional rare bump, sometimes generated by moi.
ORIGINAL: tolsdorff
4)The figure that worries me with the US is the testing per million: 116. The US is bigger by population than the combined people of the UK, Italy, France, Spain and Germany. Testing so little in such a large population means there is a lot of this virus going around and spreading and no one knows where, or how much.
So this supposes that there is a lot of the virus spreading everywhere, with no one knowing where or how. But, I wonder, where are the piles of dead people on the street, being caused by all this?
Really. when all the media and the hysteria are to be taken seriously, this ''''pandemic''' is of the scale of the bubonic plague. However, I have failed to spot 1 cart full of dead, and I was outside today for 7 hours, cycling. And yesterday, and the day before that. (I am 47, and feel great, A LOT BETTER than anyone staying inside for whatever reason)
I greet a lot of people that also apparently risk their lives at great personal cost, going outside and enjoy a walk or a bicycle ride. I have contact with them, even touch them (WOW). Shake hands. I should be dead by now I guess. But I am not, nor are they.
I should have seen something. Piles of burning corpses or what not. But nothing. Mostly HEALTHY farmers and older people, going about their business as they have been doing for 3 months now. The hysteria did become more noticeable however when i entered the city again (my town, Breda, is, ironically, known for Advanced level education in teaching and software design, [&:].)
This is just another one of a string of social media inspired hysterical occurences.
No reason to destroy the world economy, or lock healthy people indoors at all.
just my uninformed 2 cents
; Julia Child ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
ORIGINAL: obvert
...Have a look at this.
'People are Just Panicking;' Midwesterners unmoved over Coronavirus Outbreak.
...
The media has a hard time getting anything right, analyzing anything properly, quantifying things. They are given to exaggeration, biases intentional and unintentional, etc.
I trust the raw data more - what I've seen, my children have seen, my friends and business associates have seen, etc.
Georgia is a pretty conservative state, so would be expected to fall in the "overly optimistic" camp, based upon the Reuters poll, etc. If we've been taking drastic action here for a week, I expect the same is true in Tennessee, Iowa, Idaho, Texas and pretty much every other state. I trust my knowledge of the USA more than I'd trust any media group, especially any elsewhere.
