OT: Corona virus

[alanschu]

Italy does seem to be seeing a decline in new cases (and deaths) which is good. I hope it holds.

USA, Spain, and France all seeing pretty significant upticks in their new fatalities today though

France is interesting because it seemed to be stable for about 4-5 days but is a big jump so far today. New cases doubled too.

All 3 have pretty big jumps in new cases as well. My country (Canada) is still low on deaths but getting a hefty spike in detected cases.


(worldometers has been my primary source https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ )

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

MindMessing, I'm not on any "train." These are mostly my thoughts, but it is encouraging to see that there are others. And this thing will end eventually, and the news will too. When is the question.

Not very open-minded to characterize my analysis as "wishful thinking," any more than it would be for me to call yours "irrational hysteria" (I wouldn't, because I don't think that.)

warspite1

You carry on Canoerebel, I like the generally cautiously optimistic slant you give to proceedings round here.

[Canoerebel]

I'd expect Spain, France, and the US to continue reporting increases, as their individual onsets were after Italy's. Italy seems about three weeks in while the US is about 10-12 days in (and, as others have noticed, some parts are more mature than others). If Italy has indeed turned the corner, it's possible other countries will follow a similar curve, with flattening after three weeks (or a few weeks after strong countermeasures imposed).

[alanschu]

I was curious about how things were in some of the smaller total case numbers areas and did see some potentially concerning upticks in new cases. Of course, new cases has challenges around it, though I'll defer to BBfanboy's statements that it's still a metric that has value (I had often been leaning death counts as well).


Canada saw a jump from 1470 to 2091 (42% increase)

Others
Austria: 3582 to 4474 (25%)
Portugal: 1600 to 2060 (29%)
Brazil: 1546 to 1924 (24%)
Israel: 1071 to 1442 (34%)
Romania: 433 to 576 (33%)
South Africa: 274 to 402 (46%)
India: 396 to 499 (26%)


Small numbers which can make a sudden shift shoot up, but hopefully these countries were able to get ahead of things. I'm not sure how the countries all relate in terms of ability to detect virus, family gatherings etc, as well as health care systems in general. Daily deaths are all still quite low for these countries.



(USA is also big still with a 29% increase, though I don't think this is news for anyone in this thread and I was trying to spot check bigger jumps among the smaller counts).

[Sammy5IsAlive]

I'd done a longer post but the site ate it for some reason. So sticking to cliff notes:

The major positive for me is that the evidence from China, S Korea and Japan shows that the spread of the virus can be slowed and indeed stopped in its tracks by a combination of government intervention and public behavioural changes. That is a really fundamental positive point - essentially we are in charge and not the virus.

I'm going to put the stuff about the Diamond Princess down to 'jury is still out'. As the article says it is an interesting self-contained 'experiment' and I certainly don't have the qualifications to outright say that he is wrong to to suggest that it is evidence that things are not as bad as people say they are. But from a layman's point of view I am not sure that a cruise ship is analogous to 'real life' communities - both in terms of demographics and in terms of behaviours. For me even if you scale up the numbers the spread and consequences of the virus in countries like China, Italy and now Spain are not behaving like the DP.

The area where I disagree - maybe not so much with him in particular but with others (not picking on you personally CR - there are plenty of people who share your outlook on this situation) that suggest that things will be back to 'normal' or close to it within a few weeks or perhaps months. For me the evidence is very clear is that the virus is contagious enough and has sufficiently adverse effects on enough people that if we go back to 'normal' or indeed something close to it the pattern of the last couple of months will just repeat itself. I think that each affected country is now going to be see-sawing between more and less stringent social distancing/lockdown measures as the virus gains and loses momentum accordingly. I'm hopeful that as time goes on, even before a vaccine is developed, the treatment of infected patients will improve from basic experience, improvement in health resources and hopefully from innovations in treatment (as opposed to prevention). The further and quicker that takes place the less pressure there is on health services and the sooner that things will be back closer to 'normal'. But I don't see that process as taking place in the immediate future - I think it is something we are going to be stuck with for months. Although the one caveat I would make to that for those of you in the States - when I am thinking of 'affected countries' I am treating US states as equivalent to European countries. I would not be surprised if a combination of travel restrictions, proactive testing and contact tracing and the simple dispersion of rural populations leads to some US states having very different, much more positive, outcomes and experiences than what has been seen elsewhere in the world.

[Sammy5IsAlive]

ORIGINAL: alanschu

I was curious about how things were in some of the smaller total case numbers areas and did see some potentially concerning upticks in new cases. Of course, new cases has challenges around it, though I'll defer to BBfanboy's statements that it's still a metric that has value (I had often been leaning death counts as well).


Canada saw a jump from 1470 to 2091 (42% increase)

Others
Austria: 3582 to 4474 (25%)
Portugal: 1600 to 2060 (29%)
Brazil: 1546 to 1924 (24%)
Israel: 1071 to 1442 (34%)
Romania: 433 to 576 (33%)
South Africa: 274 to 402 (46%)
India: 396 to 499 (26%)


Small numbers which can make a sudden shift shoot up, but hopefully these countries were able to get ahead of things. I'm not sure how the countries all relate in terms of ability to detect virus, family gatherings etc, as well as health care systems in general. Daily deaths are all still quite low for these countries.



(USA is also big still with a 29% increase, though I don't think this is news for anyone in this thread and I was trying to spot check bigger jumps among the smaller counts).

I mentioned South Africa in a previous post. If things start getting momentum there and the virus gets into the townships it could potentially get really dreadful given the numbers of people in their population who have compromised immune systems through HIV/AIDs.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: warspite1

warspite1

Its expected that Boris will announce much stricter rules tonight. I hope he doesn't go so far as the Belgians - although at least they are trying to be sensible about it. It's only non-essential threesomes that are a problem. Phew.... that's a relief.

Aye. But what it *you* are the non-essential member of that threesome?

warspite1

Well allow me if you will, the following, of course, purely hypothetical situation. The threesome involves a dashing, witty, bon viveur and international lover (lets call him mr w1), and two dark haired impossibly pretty young ladies (lets go with miss B and miss c - I can't possibly imagine who they may be referring to, can you?). I put it to you that in such a scenario, there really is at no point a non-essential member (fnarr, fnarr) so to speak.

I would make so bold as to venture that the above scenario is essential in all and every scenario - indoors, outdoors, wherever - and indeed should be compulsory. So with the greatest respect Ms Health Minister I don't believe a ban would apply here.

I would say that miss B and miss c would be fine by themselves. They can come here as I am not in Belgium. As far as mr w1, he can stay home and remain in quarantine!

[alanschu]

Found an interesting time map visualization of Italy here: https://www.piersoft.it/covid19/index2. ... 838/13.881

[geofflambert]

Wow. Look at this number.

[geofflambert]

Never mind, that number is for all of France.

[MakeeLearn]

CVS to hire 50,000 workers, gives bonuses to employees amid Coronavirus pandemic

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/20 ... 897168001/

"The company plans to immediately hire 50,000 people for full-time, part-time and temporary jobs, including store positions, home delivery drivers, distribution workers and customer service representatives."

[MakeeLearn]

I've never washed my hands so much as I have in the past three days. Dealing with locked doors, so "who" enters can be screen. Filling out forms and having temp taken with every entrance to a building.

I'am going to have the "Permission to Travel" paper framed, when all this is done.

[RangerJoe]

In the United States.

In a dramatic sign of the coronavirus' anticipated toll, the Army Corps of Engineers is planning to convert vacant hotels, college dormitories and other facilities into intensive care wards with tens of thousands of makeshift hospital beds, first in New York but probably expanding to California and other states.

That announcement Friday at a Pentagon news conference by Lt. Gen Todd T. Semonite, commander of Army Corps of Engineers, marks an escalation of the U.S. military role. Already it is providing 2,000 ventilators and 5 million protective masks and preparing to dispatch hospital ships on both coasts. Governors are calling up thousands of National Guard troops.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... break.html

[MakeeLearn]

Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine phosphate to treat coronavirus

https://nypost.com/2020/03/23/man-dies- ... ronavirus/

"Within 30 minutes of taking chloroquine phosphate, the man in his 60s experienced “immediate effects” and had to be admitted to a nearby Banner Health hospital, the medical system in Arizona said in a press release Monday.

His wife, also in her 60s, is in critical condition after taking the additive, which is used in aquariums to kill some organisms, like algae, that may harm fish."

[MakeeLearn]

Coronavirus Rumor Control


https://www.fema.gov/coronavirus-rumor-control

[geofflambert]

Angela Merkel

https://youtu.be/F9ei40nxKDc

[Sammy5IsAlive]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine phosphate to treat coronavirus

https://nypost.com/2020/03/23/man-dies- ... ronavirus/

"Within 30 minutes of taking chloroquine phosphate, the man in his 60s experienced “immediate effects” and had to be admitted to a nearby Banner Health hospital, the medical system in Arizona said in a press release Monday.

His wife, also in her 60s, is in critical condition after taking the additive, which is used in aquariums to kill some organisms, like algae, that may harm fish."

Along similar lines

https://www.msn.com/en-my/news/world/44 ... r-BB10ZtK4

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn


I've never washed my hands so much as I have in the past three days. Dealing with locked doors, so "who" enters can be screen. Filling out forms and having temp taken with every entrance to a building.

I'am going to have the "Permission to Travel" paper framed, when all this is done.

I want "Permission to Travel" papers for my basketball team.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine phosphate to treat coronavirus

https://nypost.com/2020/03/23/man-dies- ... ronavirus/

"Within 30 minutes of taking chloroquine phosphate, the man in his 60s experienced “immediate effects” and had to be admitted to a nearby Banner Health hospital, the medical system in Arizona said in a press release Monday.

His wife, also in her 60s, is in critical condition after taking the additive, which is used in aquariums to kill some organisms, like algae, that may harm fish."

As they always say in Toxicology classes, "The dose makes the poison."

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: warspite1
I put it to you

Oh no you don't. Get the **** away from me with that thing.