OT: Corona virus

[MakeeLearn]

101-year-old man survives Coronavirus

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/ ... r-BB11N53h

"A 101-year-old man has been released from hospital after recovering from the novel Coronavirus, Gloria Lisi, the deputy mayor of the Italian city of Rimini, has said."

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Back to the news that matters....


South Korean Boy Band BTS Not Exempt From Military Service
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bts-south ... ry-service

"The seven members of BTS will not be exempt from mandatory service in South Korea’s military—meaning the K-pop superstars will need to step away at the height of their success. The Grammy-nominated group, also known as the Bangtan Boys, had hoped to skip the 18-month service that all South Koreans must serve after they turn 18."

Geez. Poor Canoerebel. The hits just keep coming for him. [:(]

I wonder if he'll have to tear down his Jin, Suga and J-hope posters from his office?

[Canoerebel]

Y'all are being ignored today.

P.S. I have a print of Jackson and Lee ("The Last Meeting") in my office, along with a sketch done by a friend of Col. Emory F. Best leading the 23rd Georgia Regiment at Chancellorsville. Best was my avatar photo for many years.

To complete the "Canoerebel" portrait, my oldest son and I are paddling Armuchee Creek today. It'll be sunny and mid 80s.

So keep on with your "boy band" stuff. I aint listenin'.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Back to the news that matters....


South Korean Boy Band BTS Not Exempt From Military Service
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bts-south ... ry-service

"The seven members of BTS will not be exempt from mandatory service in South Korea’s military—meaning the K-pop superstars will need to step away at the height of their success. The Grammy-nominated group, also known as the Bangtan Boys, had hoped to skip the 18-month service that all South Koreans must serve after they turn 18."

If Elvis did it, so can BTS.

PS. Did they plagiarize 'BTS" from the AE Scenario?

My understanding is that Elvis enjoyed his service and was just a regular soldier. It also made him believable in the movies where he was in uniform. He was a tanker.

[alanschu]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Like North Dakota, Alberta has bright spots because they flare gas in their oilfields and refineries.

That does play a part for sure, and Edmonton does have its refineries. I was more thinking on just the Edmonton to Calgary route though.

[RangerJoe]

What NOT to do was done in Malaysia:

Made in Malaysia: How mosque event spread virus to SE Asia

Out of Malaysia’s 673 confirmed infections, nearly two-thirds are linked to the four-day meeting outside Kuala Lumpur.
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Worshippers slept in packed tents outside the golden-domed mosque, waking before dawn to kneel on rows of prayer mats laid out in its cavernous central hall.
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It was attended by 16,000 people, including 1,500 foreigners.
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The packed gathering, where guests had to take shuttle buses to sleep at other venues, was attended by nationals from dozens of countries, including Canada, Nigeria, India and Australia, according to an attendee list posted on social media.

There were also people from China and South Korea – two countries with high rates of coronavirus infections.
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“Holding hands at the religious ceremony was done with people of many countries. When I met people, I held hands, it was normal. I don’t know who I was infected by,” he said, asking not to be named due to fears of discrimination at his mosque.
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Another attendee from Cambodia said guests from different countries shared plates when meals were served.

[USSAmerica]

Still bad news from Italy. Today's reported number of COVID-19 deaths is 919. Up from 712 yesterday. [:(]

[alanschu]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Scientist behind U.S., U.K. lockdowns drastically lowers death estimate

https://www.wnd.com/2020/03/scientist-b ... estimates/


"The study by Imperial College of London published March 16 estimated that 2.2 million Americans and 500,000 Britons could die.

Now, lead author Neil Ferguson has testified to a parliamentary committee that the U.K. death toll is unlikely to exceed 20,000 and could be much lower, reported the website New Scientist.

And more than half that number would have died anyway by the end of the year, because of their age and underlying illnesses, he told the panel on Wednesday."

I recommend drilling down to the source WND uses here: https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... -predicts/


Some points in the article

* Lowered numbers take into account measures put into place and efforts made by the government (the 2.2m estimate assumed no efforts were made). Measures include increases in NHS capacity and restricting people's movements.
* He talks about how the R0 for the virus appears to be just over 3 now, instead of 2.5, and uses this to reaffirm the importance of "intensive social distancing measures."
* Acknowledges that social distancing can't be until a vaccine comes out (12-18mo), but that softening restrictions will be viable when testing capacity improves (he feels within a few weeks).

[alanschu]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
They're not the only ones. I think I've read similar edicts from China, Singapore, South Korea and other countries.

I think it was a week and a half ago that all Canadians returning from abroad were asked to self-quarantine upon return to Canada. Lots of 'snow birds' from Arizona will have to do that. Americans leaving the 'hot spot' of New York City have been asked to self-quarantine for 14 days too.

An over-reaction? Considering that y'all down under are fixin' to go into your cool season? Probably not.

By the way, what does 'mandatory detention' mean? Armed guards, drop bears and concertina wire or more like self-recognizance?

Canada just instituted a 14-day quarantine for people returning to the country as well. I don't believe that they are under any sort of "guard," but there was comments about random spot checks via phone or in person and that failures could see fines or possibly prison (I don't know the details of either of these legal measures or the likelihood of each nor the breakdown etc.)

People returning are told to go directly home.

I do hope that assistance is provided for these people if they need it because it's possible supplies are low if you're a snow bird.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: alanschu

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
They're not the only ones. I think I've read similar edicts from China, Singapore, South Korea and other countries.

I think it was a week and a half ago that all Canadians returning from abroad were asked to self-quarantine upon return to Canada. Lots of 'snow birds' from Arizona will have to do that. Americans leaving the 'hot spot' of New York City have been asked to self-quarantine for 14 days too.

An over-reaction? Considering that y'all down under are fixin' to go into your cool season? Probably not.

By the way, what does 'mandatory detention' mean? Armed guards, drop bears and concertina wire or more like self-recognizance?

Canada just instituted a 14-day quarantine for people returning to the country as well. I don't believe that they are under any sort of "guard," but there was comments about random spot checks via phone or in person and that failures could see fines or possibly prison (I don't know the details of either of these legal measures or the likelihood of each nor the breakdown etc.)

People returning are told to go directly home.

I do hope that assistance is provided for these people if they need it because it's possible supplies are low if you're a snow bird.

My aunt, who lives in Quebec, was visiting my mother who lives in the Phoenix area for a couple months. My aunt flew home last Tuesday and was sent home with explicit instructions to self-isolate. Direct Air Canada flights from Phoenix to Canada have been packed recently and the last direct Air Canada flight to Montreal flew out earlier this week.

[JohnDillworth]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The Chinese central government reached down to silence the doctor who first publicly reported on the outbreak and I guarantee they have a party hack in charge of the "disease control agency"

It is also guaranteed that at least one of her Chicom "colleagues" was a spook gathering intel on the CDC.

The blame lies in one place..Beijing...and maybe the guy who made the pangolin burgers.

This is the most catastrophic intelligence failure in the history of the United States. No way to sugar coat it. We should have seen this coming. We blew it

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

US axed CDC expert job in China months before outbreak: Reuters

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/ ... 37595.html


"Several months before the Coronavirus pandemic began, the administration of US President Donald Trump eliminated a key American public health position in Beijing that was intended to help detect disease outbreaks in China, Reuters news agency has learned.

The American disease expert Dr Linda Quick, a medical epidemiologist embedded in China's disease control agency, left her post in July, according to four sources with knowledge of the issue."

I read that. I also read where that would not have made a difference in the reporting of the Coronavirus situation.

Seems might that might have been a good position to get intel on how much Chinese info was accurate in the early stages of the outbreak. Every bit of accurate info helps get the puzzle picture more complete.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: alanschu

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
They're not the only ones. I think I've read similar edicts from China, Singapore, South Korea and other countries.

I think it was a week and a half ago that all Canadians returning from abroad were asked to self-quarantine upon return to Canada. Lots of 'snow birds' from Arizona will have to do that. Americans leaving the 'hot spot' of New York City have been asked to self-quarantine for 14 days too.

An over-reaction? Considering that y'all down under are fixin' to go into your cool season? Probably not.

By the way, what does 'mandatory detention' mean? Armed guards, drop bears and concertina wire or more like self-recognizance?

Canada just instituted a 14-day quarantine for people returning to the country as well. I don't believe that they are under any sort of "guard," but there was comments about random spot checks via phone or in person and that failures could see fines or possibly prison (I don't know the details of either of these legal measures or the likelihood of each nor the breakdown etc.)

People returning are told to go directly home.

I do hope that assistance is provided for these people if they need it because it's possible supplies are low if you're a snow bird.

Yes, returning snowbirds have to get groceries, but they can do that through friends or shopping service companies. The groceries can be left on the doorstep so there is no contact between delivery person and client. Payment can be arranged by credit card.
When I returned from Jamaica on Feb. 27, I self isolated 14 days because there had been coughing people in the Toronto airport lounge and on the flight. It wasn't mandatory, but I considered it prudent. It helped that I am retired. If I had been working I would have consulted with public health and my boss.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The Chinese central government reached down to silence the doctor who first publicly reported on the outbreak and I guarantee they have a party hack in charge of the "disease control agency"

It is also guaranteed that at least one of her Chicom "colleagues" was a spook gathering intel on the CDC.

The blame lies in one place..Beijing...and maybe the guy who made the pangolin burgers.

This is the most catastrophic intelligence failure in the history of the United States. No way to sugar coat it. We should have seen this coming. We blew it

The governments and the organizations that they support that worked on the initial SARs virus should have continued their research including making a vaccine. That would be useful today and the original SARs could also come back.

As far as intelligence failure, that is on the part of China suppressing this instead of reporting this to the World Health Organization.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

A boneheaded stunt in the news: A woman in Philadelphia (I think that was the city) purposely sneezed over a cooler section of produce in a grocery store. Ha ha! [8|]
The store has to throw out $35K worth of fresh produce to ensure they will not be held liable if someone gets sick after visiting the store. The woman was turned over to police. Not sure what charges might ensue but the store should be able to sue for damages.
Lets hope stupidity is not so contagious!

Here in Italy "consciously causing an epidemic" is a criminal offence that will land you in jail.

She could beat that charge because she is not actually sick - she just wanted to freak people out. It worked. But it is still "public mischief" (a non-criminal offence) and boneheaded. She should pay the costs associated with it.

[BBfanboy]

And now some more tragic news about this pandemic. Some idiot floated the idea that you can cure the virus by drinking methanol ...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/nearly-50 ... -1.4870674

[BBfanboy]

And the ironic news. After being kidnapped and held for months in Burkina Faso, a Canadian woman returns to Quebec and is promptly quarantined for 14 days!
The guy she was with returned to his home in ... Italy.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6740283/queb ... so-return/

[obvert]

This is not looking good. The "other regions" to the centre and now the south of Italy are steadily gaining active cases. Meanwhile areas in the North continue to gain cases as well. The lockdown has to show in the numbers soon, right?

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The Chinese central government reached down to silence the doctor who first publicly reported on the outbreak and I guarantee they have a party hack in charge of the "disease control agency"

It is also guaranteed that at least one of her Chicom "colleagues" was a spook gathering intel on the CDC.

The blame lies in one place..Beijing...and maybe the guy who made the pangolin burgers.

This is the most catastrophic intelligence failure in the history of the United States. No way to sugar coat it. We should have seen this coming. We blew it

The governments and the organizations that they support that worked on the initial SARs virus should have continued their research including making a vaccine. That would be useful today and the original SARs could also come back.

As far as intelligence failure, that is on the part of China suppressing this instead of reporting this to the World Health Organization.

There was quite a bit of basic science done on the Coronaviridae since SARS. That's why we know so much about animal reservoirs of Coronavirus. A specific anti-SARS antiviral agent might well work on COVID but a vaccine (if there were one most likely would not). On the other hand, new vaccine approaches used to investigate a SARS vaccine ARE applicable.

The UN passed a resolution attaching sanctions and fines for failure to notify the WHO of an outbreak. The CCP is being sued by some NGO's over the current failure. Good luck collecting any money.[:)] There can't be a CDC monitor at every Chinese "wet market". There must be tens of thousands of them. The only authorities that can effectively monitor them are the Chicoms. If you ask me, China is no longer a 3rd world country, they should buy some damn meat refrigerators and disallow cultural practices where the buyer touches the room temperature meat to see if it "fresh". They might invest in some freaking Saran wrap too. And soap and water. After SARS, sale of Civet meat was banned but it still goes on. And now we have yummy Pangolin burgers too!

I would say we tell the Chinese they owe the world $10T (a serious underestimate) and if they don't pay up they can keep all the cheap Christmas lights.

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

And now some more tragic news about this pandemic. Some idiot floated the idea that you can cure the virus by drinking methanol ...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/nearly-50 ... -1.4870674

I've been using the Alex Jones toothpaste that kills the coronavirus. So far I seem to be symptom-free...

(the above is totally tongue-in-cheek) [:D]