ORIGINAL: Toby42
I'm going with the Germans on this one!
U.S. March 30th
2,508/142,872 = 1.7%
RR
OT - The New Coronavirus
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MrRoadrunner
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U.S. March 30th
2,508/142,872 = 1.7%
RR
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner
The fallacy is in the model?
When you divide the deaths by recovered you discount the ones who have it but neither died or recovered?
RR
Right. How do you know whether they are going to die or recover? They are just like those coins that are still in the air.
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Today's worldwide figures:
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34949/735875 = 4.7%
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
RE: OT - The New Coronavirus
117 immediate family members/0 infected = 0% deaths
This is the only number I give a crap about. [;)]
This is the only number I give a crap about. [;)]
ne nothi tere te deorsum (don't let the bastards grind you down)
If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
RE: OT - The New Coronavirus
ORIGINAL: Lobster
117 immediate family members/0 infected = 0% deaths
This is the only number I give a crap about. [;)]
I like that.
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I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!
“Illegitemus non carborundum est (“Don’t let the bastards grind you down”).”
; Julia ChildRE: OT - The New Coronavirus
Leaving statistics and grim maths to one side, the one thing that really grates with me is the number of spam emails I get touting miracle "cures".
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ORIGINAL: nicwb
Leaving statistics and grim maths to one side, the one thing that really grates with me is the number of spam emails I get touting miracle "cures".
If a little bit of spam was the worst of my problems right now I would be very grateful indeed.
RE: OT - The New Coronavirus
+1,000,000 [:D]ORIGINAL: RichG
ORIGINAL: nicwb
Leaving statistics and grim maths to one side, the one thing that really grates with me is the number of spam emails I get touting miracle "cures".
If a little bit of spam was the worst of my problems right now I would be very grateful indeed.
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ORIGINAL: RichG
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ORIGINAL: nicwb
Leaving statistics and grim maths to one side, the one thing that really grates with me is the number of spam emails I get touting miracle "cures".
If a little bit of spam was the worst of my problems right now I would be very grateful indeed.
+1,000,000
Maybe - but I really dislike fraudsters making money out of other peoples fears at such a time.
ORIGINAL: RichG
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ORIGINAL: nicwb
Leaving statistics and grim maths to one side, the one thing that really grates with me is the number of spam emails I get touting miracle "cures".
If a little bit of spam was the worst of my problems right now I would be very grateful indeed.
+1,000,000
Maybe - but I really dislike fraudsters making money out of other peoples fears at such a time.
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I got a robocall asking me to donate to a fund for 'the grieving families of corona virus victims'. I had a sudden urge violently terminate someone's life. [:D]ORIGINAL: nicwb
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ORIGINAL: RichG
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ORIGINAL: nicwb
Leaving statistics and grim maths to one side, the one thing that really grates with me is the number of spam emails I get touting miracle "cures".
If a little bit of spam was the worst of my problems right now I would be very grateful indeed.
+1,000,000
Maybe - but I really dislike fraudsters making money out of other peoples fears at such a time.
My little peeve is that traffic lights aren't adjusted for what used to be rush hour. [:(]
RE: OT - The New Coronavirus
Medicines: nine major European hospitals appeal for help
"We will soon run out of essential drugs" against the coronavirus, warn Europe's largest hospitals in a letter to their governments.
The alert comes from the nine largest hospitals in Europe. In a letter to their respective governments, doctors are calling for emergency measures to deal with the shortage of medicines. “Hospitals will soon run out of essential drugs to treat Covid-19 patients hospitalized in intensive care units. Without European collaboration to ensure a continuous supply of medicines, they may no longer be able to provide adequate intensive care within one to two weeks, "say the signatories, doctors and directors of member establishments. European Alliance of University Hospitals.
All are at the forefront of the Covid-19 epidemic, which has already claimed more than 23,000 lives in Europe. Among them: Public Assistance-Hospitals of Paris (AP-HP), San Raffaele in Milan, Vall d´Hebron in Barcelona, ​​King’s College in London or Charity in Berlin. In France, the letter was to be sent in the morning of Tuesday, March 31, to the President of the Republic, the Prime Minister and the Minister of Health.
“At this rate of consumption, the stocks of the hospitals most affected will be empty in a few days and in two weeks for those who have larger stocks. […] This has already led some hospitals to buy drugs or dosages different from what they are used to. It is extremely worrying to see nurses and medical students overworked and often less experienced (…) using products and dosages with which they are not familiar. "
Newspaper"Le Monde".
"We will soon run out of essential drugs" against the coronavirus, warn Europe's largest hospitals in a letter to their governments.
The alert comes from the nine largest hospitals in Europe. In a letter to their respective governments, doctors are calling for emergency measures to deal with the shortage of medicines. “Hospitals will soon run out of essential drugs to treat Covid-19 patients hospitalized in intensive care units. Without European collaboration to ensure a continuous supply of medicines, they may no longer be able to provide adequate intensive care within one to two weeks, "say the signatories, doctors and directors of member establishments. European Alliance of University Hospitals.
All are at the forefront of the Covid-19 epidemic, which has already claimed more than 23,000 lives in Europe. Among them: Public Assistance-Hospitals of Paris (AP-HP), San Raffaele in Milan, Vall d´Hebron in Barcelona, ​​King’s College in London or Charity in Berlin. In France, the letter was to be sent in the morning of Tuesday, March 31, to the President of the Republic, the Prime Minister and the Minister of Health.
“At this rate of consumption, the stocks of the hospitals most affected will be empty in a few days and in two weeks for those who have larger stocks. […] This has already led some hospitals to buy drugs or dosages different from what they are used to. It is extremely worrying to see nurses and medical students overworked and often less experienced (…) using products and dosages with which they are not familiar. "
Newspaper"Le Monde".
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ORIGINAL: Zorch
I got a robocall asking me to donate to a fund for 'the grieving families of corona virus victims'. I had a sudden urge violently terminate someone's life. [:D]ORIGINAL: nicwb
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ORIGINAL: RichG
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ORIGINAL: nicwb
Leaving statistics and grim maths to one side, the one thing that really grates with me is the number of spam emails I get touting miracle "cures".
If a little bit of spam was the worst of my problems right now I would be very grateful indeed.
+1,000,000
Maybe - but I really dislike fraudsters making money out of other peoples fears at such a time.
My little peeve is that traffic lights aren't adjusted for what used to be rush hour. [:(]
Do the trains run on time? [;)]
ne nothi tere te deorsum (don't let the bastards grind you down)
If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
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Kid: Hey mum, when is this coronavirus thingy going to be over?
Mum: Just shut up and eat your toilet paper.
Best wishes,
Steve
Mum: Just shut up and eat your toilet paper.
Best wishes,
Steve
I love the smell of TOAW in the morning...
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RE: OT - The New Coronavirus
39014/803313 = 4.9
RR
RR
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
RE: OT - The New Coronavirus
A cat appears to have caught the coronavirus, but it’s complicated text follows
There is no evidence that cats can transmit the virus to people.
Belgian health authorities have announced a possible case of coronavirus in a cat, though further testing is needed. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/cat ... us-covid19
A cat in Belgium seems to have become infected with the coronavirus and may have had COVID-19, the disease that the virus causes. While the case — the first reported in cats — suggests that the animals can catch the virus, there is no evidence that felines play a role in spreading the coronavirus, and it’s still unclear how susceptible they are to the disease.
“This is an isolated case, so it is not the rule,” microbiologist Emmanuel André of KU Leuven said March 27 at a news conference held by Belgium’s public health institute.
The cat probably picked up the virus, called SARS-CoV-2, from its owner, who fell ill with COVID-19 after traveling to northern Italy. About a week later, the cat started to show signs of illness: respiratory issues, nausea and diarrhea. In lab tests, feces and vomit samples showed high levels of SARS-CoV-2’s genetic material.
But that positive result comes with caveats. The samples were collected and sent to the lab by the owner, and a veterinarian has yet to examine the cat. The cat recovered after nine days, and once it’s released from quarantine, researchers will run a blood test for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, which would provide more concrete proof of an infection. Those results are expected in about a week.
Even if the cat tests positive for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, it might be hard to definitively prove that the virus made the cat sick — lots of other pathogens cause respiratory and stomach issues in cats.
“What makes us actually believe that this cat was infected is that there was quite a lot of virus detected in the feces and vomit in multiple tests over several days,” says Jane Sykes, a veterinarian at the University of California, Davis.
It’s not that surprising that cats could pick up SARS-CoV-2. The virus zeroes in on a protein called angiotensin-converting enzyme II, or ACE2, to hack into cells. Cats and humans have versions of this protein that are nearly identical in spots where the virus binds. The virus that causes SARS targets cells using the same break-in method (SN: 2/3/20), and it has been shown to infect cats and ferrets in a lab setting, though cats did not develop signs of disease.
In a study in the March 2020 issue of Journal of Virology, researchers note that SARS-CoV-2 can probably recognize ACE2 in cats, ferrets, orangutans, monkeys and some bat species. Another study, published March 30 in Cell Host and Microbe, confirms SARS-CoV-2 can infect ferrets, too.
Earlier in March, the first dog tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 (SN: 3/5/20), followed by another pup on March 19. Neither dog had symptoms and both results were only weakly positive, but the first dog, a 17-year-old Pomeranian from Hong Kong, died of unknown causes shortly after its release from quarantine. ACE2 looks a little bit different in dogs, which might make it harder for the virus to recognize and could make dogs less susceptible to infection.
As in people, more testing could provide a crisper snapshot of how the coronavirus affects pets. Hong Kong, for example, has continued to screen some animals in homes with people who have tested positive for COVID-19. Out of 17 dogs and eight cats, only those two dogs have returned positive results, as of March 25.
In the United States, a company called Idexx Laboratories has developed its own diagnostic test to detect genetic material from SARS-CoV-2 in animals. From February 14 to March 12, Idexx says that it tested over 4,000 dogs, cats and horses from the United States and South Korea. None has been positive for the virus. While the tests did include animals from hot spots like Seattle, it’s unknown if any of the animals lived in homes with people that had COVID-19. Idexx is continuing to test animals and has expanded its pool of subjects to Europe and Canada.
While all that testing could fill in some unknowns about how the virus affects cats and dogs, pet owners shouldn’t panic. Cases in pets have been extremely rare so far. Sykes points out that if COVID-19 were a serious problem for pets, we would know it by now. “Dogs and cats may be what we call dead-end hosts,” she says. “They get infected with the virus. They shed it, but they’re unlikely to shed it enough to spread it to people.”
The American Veterinary Medical Association recommends taking normal precautions when cleaning litter boxes and feeding animals. If owners test positive for COVID-19, they should consider having someone else in the household care for the pet while they’re sick or wear a mask around the pet and limit contact. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has similar recommendations.
There is no evidence that cats can transmit the virus to people.
Belgian health authorities have announced a possible case of coronavirus in a cat, though further testing is needed. https://www.sciencenews.org/article/cat ... us-covid19
A cat in Belgium seems to have become infected with the coronavirus and may have had COVID-19, the disease that the virus causes. While the case — the first reported in cats — suggests that the animals can catch the virus, there is no evidence that felines play a role in spreading the coronavirus, and it’s still unclear how susceptible they are to the disease.
“This is an isolated case, so it is not the rule,” microbiologist Emmanuel André of KU Leuven said March 27 at a news conference held by Belgium’s public health institute.
The cat probably picked up the virus, called SARS-CoV-2, from its owner, who fell ill with COVID-19 after traveling to northern Italy. About a week later, the cat started to show signs of illness: respiratory issues, nausea and diarrhea. In lab tests, feces and vomit samples showed high levels of SARS-CoV-2’s genetic material.
But that positive result comes with caveats. The samples were collected and sent to the lab by the owner, and a veterinarian has yet to examine the cat. The cat recovered after nine days, and once it’s released from quarantine, researchers will run a blood test for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, which would provide more concrete proof of an infection. Those results are expected in about a week.
Even if the cat tests positive for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, it might be hard to definitively prove that the virus made the cat sick — lots of other pathogens cause respiratory and stomach issues in cats.
“What makes us actually believe that this cat was infected is that there was quite a lot of virus detected in the feces and vomit in multiple tests over several days,” says Jane Sykes, a veterinarian at the University of California, Davis.
It’s not that surprising that cats could pick up SARS-CoV-2. The virus zeroes in on a protein called angiotensin-converting enzyme II, or ACE2, to hack into cells. Cats and humans have versions of this protein that are nearly identical in spots where the virus binds. The virus that causes SARS targets cells using the same break-in method (SN: 2/3/20), and it has been shown to infect cats and ferrets in a lab setting, though cats did not develop signs of disease.
In a study in the March 2020 issue of Journal of Virology, researchers note that SARS-CoV-2 can probably recognize ACE2 in cats, ferrets, orangutans, monkeys and some bat species. Another study, published March 30 in Cell Host and Microbe, confirms SARS-CoV-2 can infect ferrets, too.
Earlier in March, the first dog tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 (SN: 3/5/20), followed by another pup on March 19. Neither dog had symptoms and both results were only weakly positive, but the first dog, a 17-year-old Pomeranian from Hong Kong, died of unknown causes shortly after its release from quarantine. ACE2 looks a little bit different in dogs, which might make it harder for the virus to recognize and could make dogs less susceptible to infection.
As in people, more testing could provide a crisper snapshot of how the coronavirus affects pets. Hong Kong, for example, has continued to screen some animals in homes with people who have tested positive for COVID-19. Out of 17 dogs and eight cats, only those two dogs have returned positive results, as of March 25.
In the United States, a company called Idexx Laboratories has developed its own diagnostic test to detect genetic material from SARS-CoV-2 in animals. From February 14 to March 12, Idexx says that it tested over 4,000 dogs, cats and horses from the United States and South Korea. None has been positive for the virus. While the tests did include animals from hot spots like Seattle, it’s unknown if any of the animals lived in homes with people that had COVID-19. Idexx is continuing to test animals and has expanded its pool of subjects to Europe and Canada.
While all that testing could fill in some unknowns about how the virus affects cats and dogs, pet owners shouldn’t panic. Cases in pets have been extremely rare so far. Sykes points out that if COVID-19 were a serious problem for pets, we would know it by now. “Dogs and cats may be what we call dead-end hosts,” she says. “They get infected with the virus. They shed it, but they’re unlikely to shed it enough to spread it to people.”
The American Veterinary Medical Association recommends taking normal precautions when cleaning litter boxes and feeding animals. If owners test positive for COVID-19, they should consider having someone else in the household care for the pet while they’re sick or wear a mask around the pet and limit contact. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has similar recommendations.
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ORIGINAL: Zorch
A cat appears to have caught the coronavirus, but it’s complicated
Great. Cats are already targeted by enough sick minded people. Now because this story starts out with cats the sickos will use that as an excuse for wholesale slaughter of them. Never mind that it also mentions dogs and other animals. Cats are the first mentioned and that's where the reading will stop. [:@]
ne nothi tere te deorsum (don't let the bastards grind you down)
If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
If duct tape doesn't fix it then you are not using enough duct tape.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I’m not sure about the universe-Einstein.
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ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner
39014/803313 = 4.9
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That's what I want to know. In that graph on cases and deaths from the Covid Virus from Wuhan, how is deathrate calculated?
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