OT: Corona virus

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Er, do you mean John Dillworth, or is there a John Dillman?

YES. Thanks, 16hr workday.

[Canoerebel]

Obvert this map is misleading. The box accurately shows 79 cases in Floyd County, which has a population of almost exactly 100,000. It finesses the figure to show 81.6 cases per 100k. But that isn't the number of cases that originated here.

Floyd County is the heath center for most of northwest Georgia. We have two hospitals and a huge medical clinic. Cases from most surrounding counties end up here. To get an accurate figure on the actual number of cases here, you'd have to subtract cases that originated elsewhere.

ORIGINAL: obvert

...Georgia happens to have some very dense concentrations of this virus around right now and it seems this statewide order is coming a bit late. They may not have known asymptomatic cases could transmit the disease, but as government leaders who can influence life or death for millions of people, they should have. I hope that people have been paying attention to the media, the warnings, and doing this themselves. The travel map on the left below does show that some were not over the past week (darker indicating more movement).

[Canoerebel]

You're pulling long hours. Good luck. Keep safe. No quarantine for you!

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Er, do you mean John Dillworth, or is there a John Dillman?

YES. Thanks, 16hr workday.

[Canoerebel]

Hey, the chart made that point too.

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

You're pulling long hours. Good luck. Keep safe. No quarantine for you!

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Er, do you mean John Dillworth, or is there a John Dillman?

YES. Thanks, 16hr workday.

Thankyou CR. Evey time I feel the slightest discomfort or cough I think Yep I got it. I tell staff and patients "No Sad Talk." I tell myself that even more. I even feel ANGER. Not sure at who or what.

[Canoerebel]

While emergency services and health care professionals and myriad other support folks fight this long battle, I was fortunate to spend the day outdoors in the northwest Georgia mountains.

I hiked six miles of the Pinhoti Trail, topping out on Horn Mountain and dropping to Snake Creek Gap. The birds and flowers were showing their stuff. Then I bicycled back to the truck via lovely mountain roads.

There were a zillion people using the trails and roads - bicyclists, motorcyclists, motorists, hikers, families, couples, individuals. More than I've ever seen in that remote area. All keeping their distance from others, as best I could tell.

On the long climb up the mountain, an army medic (reserve or National Guard probably) was in the midst of a training hike, wearing fatigues and with full pack. He was fatigued and said that, when he got home, he would sit naked in his apartment and drink beer for the balance of the weekend. I thanked him for his service and told him that was too much information. He was a nice young man.

[Canoerebel]

...and the world cheers with them.

[geofflambert]

New York (CNN Business) Joe Tsai, the billionaire co-founder of Chinese ecommerce giant Alibaba, and his wife Clara Wu Tsai, have donated 2.6 million masks, 170,000 goggles and 2000 ventilators to New York — the US epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Of course there aren't enough tests to simultaneously test 1/3rd of billion people. There aren't enough medical people to COLLECT 1/3rd of billion tests or enough laboratory techs to RUN 1/3rd of billion tests or enough medical people to give results and advice to 1/3rd of a billion people.

Suppose you test 1/3rd of a billion people on Saturday and you have a million lab couriers to take the tests to the lab and a million techs running 330 labs each and everyone shows up to work on time and works on nothing else so it's all done by 2 PM and now you need 10 million nurses and doctors to call all 330 million and everyone HAS a phone and ANSWERS their phone (even the illegal aliens of which there are 20 million) and when they answer you need translators for Hmong and Que-Che and Cantonese and Swahili etc.

Now you have 35 million positives and you have to counsel them and tell them to stay home which they have already been advised to do...WHEW! Now, on Sunday, you only have 300 million to retest because some of them will have converted during the night....and there you go again.

The only practical way to measure incidence in a prospective fashion in a large population with many asymptomatic cases is with a sizable careful random sample.

In the meantime we discover Mr. Undie-Messing is a preening peacock of a statist ***-hole who has posters of Chairman Mao in his room in Mom's basement.

He probably has a mural of Chairman Mao plus Pol Pot on the ceiling of his bedroom.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Obvert this map is misleading. The box accurately shows 79 cases in Floyd County, which has a population of almost exactly 100,000. It finesses the figure to show 81.6 cases per 100k. But that isn't the number of cases that originated here.

Floyd County is the heath center for most of northwest Georgia. We have two hospitals and a huge medical clinic. Cases from most surrounding counties end up here. To get an accurate figure on the actual number of cases here, you'd have to subtract cases that originated elsewhere.

ORIGINAL: obvert

...Georgia happens to have some very dense concentrations of this virus around right now and it seems this statewide order is coming a bit late. They may not have known asymptomatic cases could transmit the disease, but as government leaders who can influence life or death for millions of people, they should have. I hope that people have been paying attention to the media, the warnings, and doing this themselves. The travel map on the left below does show that some were not over the past week (darker indicating more movement).

That is mentioned at the bottom of the map. The data shows where they were tested.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake


In the meantime we discover Mr. Undie-Messing is a preening peacock of a statist ***-hole who has posters of Chairman Mao in his room in Mom's basement.

This is uncalled for. I hope we're not trying to keep out people who have differing views on subjects here. I hope this is a place where challenging someone's ideas, assumptions, conclusions, is part of a healthy dialogue.

Statements like this do not lend themselves to a healthy dialogue formed from differing backgrounds and positions.

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


Liquor Store: Staff that usually rush up to help you choose a wine (I buy the higher quality stuff with the bigger markup) stayed well back and did not offer help since I knew where I wanted to look. Lines painted on the floor near the tills to mark distancing boxes. Cashiers did not handle bottles I touched nor my Air Miles and Credit Card. I bagged the goods myself.

Thais how it is down my way... but ... the panic buyers have eased off, and the supermarkets are now reasonably stocked again. Except for pasta and flour, for some reason.

On the other hand, the state government has withdrawn the directive that you can only spend 30 minutes at the hairdresser's. Which has little personal relevance, it takes the lads less than 10 minutes to give me a 2/1.

[Ian R]

Graph looks good.

[mind_messing]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake


In the meantime we discover Mr. Undie-Messing is a preening peacock of a statist ***-hole who has posters of Chairman Mao in his room in Mom's basement.

This is uncalled for. I hope we're not trying to keep out people who have differing views on subjects here. I hope this is a place where challenging someone's ideas, assumptions, conclusions, is part of a healthy dialogue.

Statements like this do not lend themselves to a healthy dialogue formed from differing backgrounds and positions.

Where is CR's vaunted attempts to make the discussion apolitical and call out inappropriate language now?

Evidently not required seeing as I have been deemed a persona non grata by the thought police.

Pol Pot & Mao, I seem to have touched a nerve [:)]

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake


In the meantime we discover Mr. Undie-Messing is a preening peacock of a statist ***-hole who has posters of Chairman Mao in his room in Mom's basement.

This is uncalled for. I hope we're not trying to keep out people who have differing views on subjects here. I hope this is a place where challenging someone's ideas, assumptions, conclusions, is part of a healthy dialogue.

Statements like this do not lend themselves to a healthy dialogue formed from differing backgrounds and positions.

Where is Cars vaunted attempts to make the discussion apolitical and call out inappropriate language now?

Evidently not required seeing as I have been deemed a persona non grata by the thought police.

Pol Pot & Mao, I seem to have touched a nerve [:)]

I know you're unaffected by this kind of playground name-calling mind_messing, but it's especially difficult in an international context to bring historically American red-scare McCarthyism tactics into an open forum centered around learning and sharing about a crisis we're all trying to negotiate and have dialogue around.

Exactly on point. Where are the voices calling to keep politics out here?

If I happen to believe in a different system of thought or philosophy to a select few vocal people on this forum should I not contribute? Am I not welcome? Is there an old guard that decides who can play and who can't?

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Of course there aren't enough tests to simultaneously test 1/3rd of billion people. There aren't enough medical people to COLLECT 1/3rd of billion tests or enough laboratory techs to RUN 1/3rd of billion tests or enough medical people to give results and advice to 1/3rd of a billion people.

Suppose you test 1/3rd of a billion people on Saturday and you have a million lab couriers to take the tests to the lab and a million techs running 330 labs each and everyone shows up to work on time and works on nothing else so it's all done by 2 PM and now you need 10 million nurses and doctors to call all 330 million and everyone HAS a phone and ANSWERS their phone (even the illegal aliens of which there are 20 million) and when they answer you need translators for Hmong and Que-Che and Cantonese and Swahili etc.

Now you have 35 million positives and you have to counsel them and tell them to stay home which they have already been advised to do...WHEW! Now, on Sunday, you only have 300 million to retest because some of them will have converted during the night....and there you go again.

The only practical way to measure incidence in a prospective fashion in a large population with many asymptomatic cases is with a sizable careful random sample.

In the meantime we discover Mr. Undie-Messing is a preening peacock of a statist ***-hole who has posters of Chairman Mao in his room in Mom's basement.

He probably has a mural of Chairman Mao plus Pol Pot on the ceiling of his bedroom.

Somehow I missed this one. You too? Are we back in the 50s?

One of my best friends and someone I respect immensely is the grandson of Edward R Murrow. He had a few things to say about this;

“We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men – not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate, and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular”
― Edward R. Murrow

[MakeeLearn]

Did Bill Gates Just Reveal the Reason Behind the Lock-Downs?
Apr 4, 2020


https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/04/did ... ock-downs/


"On March 24 Bill Gates gave a highly revelatory 50-minute interview (above) to Chris Anderson. Anderson is the Curator of TED, the non-profit that runs the TED Talks."

""It appears that rather than let the population be exposed to the virus and most develop antibodies that give them natural, long-lasting immunity to COVID-19, Gates and his colleagues far prefer to create a vast, hugely expensive, new system of manufacturing and selling billions of test kits, and in parallel very quickly developing and selling billions of antivirals and vaccines." "

[Uncivil Engineer]

Here's a very interesting 33 min interview/discussion of CV-19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UO3Wd5urg0

from the Hoover Institution; the interviewee works at Stanford.

[mind_messing]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

ORIGINAL: obvert




This is uncalled for. I hope we're not trying to keep out people who have differing views on subjects here. I hope this is a place where challenging someone's ideas, assumptions, conclusions, is part of a healthy dialogue.

Statements like this do not lend themselves to a healthy dialogue formed from differing backgrounds and positions.

Where is Cars vaunted attempts to make the discussion apolitical and call out inappropriate language now?

Evidently not required seeing as I have been deemed a persona non grata by the thought police.

Pol Pot & Mao, I seem to have touched a nerve [:)]

I know you're unaffected by this kind of playground name-calling mind_messing, but it's especially difficult in an international context to bring historically American red-scare McCarthyism tactics into an open forum centered around learning and sharing about a crisis we're all trying to negotiate and have dialogue around.

Exactly on point. Where are the voices calling to keep politics out here?

If I happen to believe in a different system of thought or philosophy to a select few vocal people on this forum should I not contribute? Am I not welcome? Is there an old guard that decides who can play and who can't?

That should be evident, sadly...

[HansBolter]

Obvert, please step back and take a deep breath. It isn't dissent that is being challenged or shut down.

It's snarky innuendo and backhanded insults that are being rightfully attacked.

I expect the next moderator visit here will result in a lock now that the efforts at antagonism on the part of one bad apple have borne fruit.