OT: Corona virus

[MakeeLearn]

Meanwhile in Florida...


"This is a reminder that during COVID 19, please remember to keep at least 1 large alligator between you and everyone else at all times,"

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/04/us/s ... syndicated

[MakeeLearn]

Mom: "I don't care, put your mask back on!!!"

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Meanwhile in Florida...


"This is a reminder that during COVID 19, please remember to keep at least 1 large alligator between you and everyone else at all times,"

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/04/us/s ... syndicated

If we don't have an alli, will 2 large dogs suffice? Or one large dog and 3 cats? I know - a bike!

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Can we change the name of the thread to China Virus?


"Hall monitor"[:D]

Words matter. This isn't funny.

I see the intended humour, but you may not realise that for people of any asian decent that has dire consequences. You're a reasonable person (mostly) and can understand that the government of China is the issue, not the people. Using this phrase though, for people who already have some bias or overt racism, enforces those beliefs and is causing them to act on them.

Here in Britain and from reports around the world, East Asians, whether Chinese or not, have been verbally abused, ostracised and physically attacked after the Corona Virus began moving out from China.

This is from yesterday in NYC
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-amer ... y-n1177146

Here is another. The anxiety of moving through an environment that is turning against you is also damaging.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/c ... tacks.html

As bigots blame them for the coronavirus and President Trump labels it the “Chinese virus,” many Chinese-Americans say they are terrified of what could come next.

Yuanyuan Zhu was walking to her gym in San Francisco on March 9, thinking the workout could be her last for a while, when she noticed that a man was shouting at her. He was yelling an expletive about China. Then a bus passed, she recalled, and he screamed after it, “Run them over.”

She tried to keep her distance, but when the light changed, she was stuck waiting with him at the crosswalk. She could feel him staring at her. And then, suddenly, she felt it: his saliva hitting her face and her favorite sweater.

In London a student from Singapore was beaten so badly by thugs in the middle of the biggest shopping area in London, Oxford St, in the middle of the afternoon, that he may require facial reconstruction.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/03/uk/c ... index.html

None of this is funny.

Sadly, there is nothing new about this. I've heard stories about racists assaults on Chinese going way back. Coupling Trump striking back at the communist government's propaganda (that the US military gave COVID-19 to civilians in China) and for Trump seeking to hold the government of China accountable for what it has done (withholding and faking information, among other actions) is wrong on the part of those media outlets, but politically consistent.

Did any of those reports mention that the Chinese government's handling of the crisis has helped inflame the behavior of those horrible bigots? Probably not.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

MacArthur went behind Truman's back to the Press and got his Hero of Inchon ass fired...with good reason.

Not quite the same circumstances in any way, shape or form, is it?

No, MacArthur needed to be removed. He was veering toward a messianic state. I think the Captain of Roosevelt felt compassion toward his crew and knew he would get sacked but did it anyway. It is noble in a way and understandable..but still wrong. You can't have officers disobeying orders because it is a difficult ask. He essentially declared to the world that an entire USN carrier battle group was out of action. Suppose the CCP decides THIS is the time to invade Taiwan based on that information (not likely of course)? Or the mullahs of Iran decide to stir up shit right now (more likely) and they miscalculate badly?

+ 10.

I saw a short video interview with the chairman of the joint chiefs, and he said (paraphrasing) there were many things in motion before the carrier got to port, it takes a lot to move 3,000 people. It's pretty clear things were being done in response to the situation.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Sometimes the "quants" are wrong. Half of them have Asperger's syndrome and can't understand human behavior of emotions. It is possible to be incandescently smart and utterly clueless at the same time.

It would be like putting up a shark net on a beach and then taking it down a week later because the attacks stopped.

Let's not forget the "quants" told Lehman Bros. that mortgage backed securities were safe. [:D]

So I'm going to call that out right now as inappropriate, and highlights your complete ignorance of developmental disorders.

I THINK that is a Glaswegian joke but I'm not sure.

No, your remark was unfair to sharks.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

[In Reply to Obvert, above:] Thanks for pointing out the date on that info, Erik.

Professor Ionnidis missed on his mortality projection of 10k or 12k but may well be in the same ballpark unlike most others in play at that time. Around March 17, many/most US projections were still well above the 100k to 200k that were so heavily discussed last week (late March).

Around the same time that Ioniddis made his projection, the governor of California estimated that more than half the population of the state could be infected (https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... two-months). That would have resulted in tremendous mortality just in California in the range of 200k or more (using a 1% mortality rate; back then the consensus was more like 2x or 3x that).

Ioniddis is likely to be much closer to the actual mark than Governor Newsome and most others making projections around that time.

He is also using an estimate of 3.3million infected. There are 385,093 right now in the US. (We now there are more but not how many more). I don't think he's close at all considering he also stated he thought there was an overreaction to this disease. He miscalculated.

We all wan to stay positive, but the US is along way from getting through this. As is the world.

[MakeeLearn]

Dairy farms dump milk as coronavirus crisis spoils demand
April 6, 2020

https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/dairy-far ... ls-demand/


"Dairy farmers are dumping giant loads of milk down the drain as the coronavirus crisis spoils demand for products like butter and cheese.

Farmers say they’ve been left with nowhere to send their raw milk now that widespread closures of schools, restaurants and other businesses have shut dairy processors out of some of their largest markets."

[Canoerebel]

No doubt he was off in many respects but the point holds true that he may (probably will) end up being closer to the mark than most of his contemporaneous projectors. Not only in mortality but in death rate - that's going from some up-to-date projections discussed at length in here today.

The proof will be in the pudding.

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

[In Reply to Obvert, above:] Thanks for pointing out the date on that info, Erik.

Professor Ionnidis missed on his mortality projection of 10k or 12k but may well be in the same ballpark unlike most others in play at that time. Around March 17, many/most US projections were still well above the 100k to 200k that were so heavily discussed last week (late March).

Around the same time that Ioniddis made his projection, the governor of California estimated that more than half the population of the state could be infected (https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... two-months). That would have resulted in tremendous mortality just in California in the range of 200k or more (using a 1% mortality rate; back then the consensus was more like 2x or 3x that).

Ioniddis is likely to be much closer to the actual mark than Governor Newsome and most others making projections around that time.

He is also using an estimate of 3.3million infected. There are 385,093 right now in the US. (We now there are more but not how many more). I don't think he's close at all considering he also stated he thought there was an overreaction to this disease. He miscalculated.

We all wan to stay positive, but the US is along way from getting through this. As is the world.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Can we change the name of the thread to China Virus?


"Hall monitor"[:D]

Words matter. This isn't funny.

I see the intended humour, but you may not realise that for people of any asian decent that has dire consequences. You're a reasonable person (mostly) and can understand that the government of China is the issue, not the people. Using this phrase though, for people who already have some bias or overt racism, enforces those beliefs and is causing them to act on them.

Here in Britain and from reports around the world, East Asians, whether Chinese or not, have been verbally abused, ostracised and physically attacked after the Corona Virus began moving out from China.

This is from yesterday in NYC
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-amer ... y-n1177146

Here is another. The anxiety of moving through an environment that is turning against you is also damaging.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/c ... tacks.html

As bigots blame them for the coronavirus and President Trump labels it the “Chinese virus,” many Chinese-Americans say they are terrified of what could come next.

Yuanyuan Zhu was walking to her gym in San Francisco on March 9, thinking the workout could be her last for a while, when she noticed that a man was shouting at her. He was yelling an expletive about China. Then a bus passed, she recalled, and he screamed after it, “Run them over.”

She tried to keep her distance, but when the light changed, she was stuck waiting with him at the crosswalk. She could feel him staring at her. And then, suddenly, she felt it: his saliva hitting her face and her favorite sweater.

In London a student from Singapore was beaten so badly by thugs in the middle of the biggest shopping area in London, Oxford St, in the middle of the afternoon, that he may require facial reconstruction.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/03/uk/c ... index.html

None of this is funny.

Sadly, there is nothing new about this. I've heard stories about racists assaults on Chinese going way back. Coupling Trump striking back at the communist government's propaganda (that the US military gave COVID-19 to civilians in China) and for Trump seeking to hold the government of China accountable for what it has done (withholding and faking information, among other actions) is wrong on the part of those media outlets, but politically consistent.

Did any of those reports mention that the Chinese government's handling of the crisis has helped inflame the behavior of those horrible bigots? Probably not.

I'm not going to get political here. I will say that some of us do understand the difference between the Government of China and it's history of abuses and people who look to be from an East Asian country. There are a lot of people who don't and who equate the two things. They hear these comments and they act on them against real people.

We don't need to support the use of terminology that could be interpreted as biased against a nation and its people, in spite of its government's culpability in this crisis.

[Canoerebel]

The oft-used Univ. of Washington Covid-19 information and projections for the USA and each state have proven consistently reliable since I began using late last week. Most of the actual results come in under projection (that's preferable), some considerably under, a few over, but none considerably over. Overall I have a level of confidence in the US projections.

The European set that I've just started looking at today seems to have much more variability and unpredictability. In France, for instance, today's mortality is far great than that projected and almost went outside the pink-shaded area of possibility.

Meaning, until there's much more of a track record for the European models, I won't rely on them or post them regularly here.

[Canoerebel]

bah, duplicate post

[Canoerebel]

Beginning of movement to eliminate disparaging term "veterinarian." Y'all keep this in mind when Chickenboy is around.

[MakeeLearn]

During a Pandemic, an Unanticipated Problem: Out-of-Work Health Workers
Updated April 6, 2020

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/us/p ... yoffs.html


"The job cuts, which stretch from Massachusetts to Nevada, are a new and possibly urgent problem for a business-oriented health care system whose hospitals must earn revenue even in a national crisis. Hospitals large and small have canceled many elective services — often under state government orders — as they prepare for the virus, sending revenues plummeting."

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: obvert

I'm not going to get political here. I will say that some of us do understand the difference between the Government of China and it's history of abuses and people who look to be from an East Asian country. There are a lot of people who don't and who equate the two things. They hear these comments and they act on them against real people.

We don't need to support the use of terminology that could be interpreted as biased against a nation and its people, in spite of its government's culpability in this crisis.

I agree. I would have chosen a different way to call them on their BS.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Beginning of movement to eliminate disparaging term "veterinarian." Y'all keep this in mind when Chickenboy is around.

How is that term disparaging? (Disregard if your remark was tongue in cheek.)

[Canoerebel]

It was tongue in cheek, of course. The failure of the headline writer to use the obvious term "veterinarian" created some confusion when I first saw a link to the headline. It made me wonder if the story was about doctors staying at home to care for pets. Why not simply say "veterinarians"?

[MakeeLearn]

Spain is moving to establish permanent basic income in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic

Apr 6, 2020,

https://www.businessinsider.com/spain-u ... ope-2020-4


"Spain is taking steps to implement a basic income to help citizens weather the economic fallout from the novel coronavirus.

"We're going to do it as soon as possible. So it can be useful, not just for this extraordinary situation, and that it remains forever," the minister of economic affairs said.

No specific date was unveiled, given the plan appears to be in its early stages."

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Reaction from the wise?

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It was tongue in cheek, of course. The failure of the headline writer to use the obvious term "veterinarian" created some confusion when I first saw a link to the headline. It made me wonder if the story was about doctors staying at home to care for pets. Why not simply say "veterinarians"?

Blasphemer!



[:D]

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It was tongue in cheek, of course. The failure of the headline writer to use the obvious term "veterinarian" created some confusion when I first saw a link to the headline. It made me wonder if the story was about doctors staying at home to care for pets. Why not simply say "veterinarians"?

Blasphemer!



[:D]

You're only making it worse for yourself.