OT - The New Coronavirus Part II

[PipFromSlitherine]

I have deleted a number of posts. As Joe said, we are monitoring as usual. I was pretty clear in the last thread about why it was closed. We will be deleting posts which go outside personal stories or other reasonable community discussion.

Cheers

Pip

[z1812]

I would like to see this become an information page reflecting fact instead of personal opinion, or personal theories.

This is an article outlining the difficulty of diagnosing covid-19.

https://nationalpost.com/news/anything- ... too-narrow?

[ernieschwitz]

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/doede ... er-nyt-lys

For those of you willing to read Danish (Probably a minority).

Danish blooddonors were tested for antibodies, to determine how big a percentage of the population had been infected in Denmark. The number was 22 out of 1487. This, when a few grains of salt have been taken for inaccuracy of testing and other stuff, gives the total of Danes that have been infected to 127000. A number much bigger than thought. 203 Danes have so far died from the virus.

The interesting conclussion is then that the deathrate is as low as 0,16 percent.

Now there is some good news for all of you

[MrRoadrunner]

83,471/1,447,466 = 5.7%

[Red2112]

ORIGINAL: PipFromSlitherine

I have deleted a number of posts. As Joe said, we are monitoring as usual. I was pretty clear in the last thread about why it was closed. We will be deleting posts which go outside personal stories or other reasonable community discussion.

Cheers

Pip

Sure. I don´t think I said anything that wasent in cue with whats going on. What is reasonable to you, is disrespectful to me and those who have lost loved ones. Imposing your Ideologies is your decision as its your forum/store, but shows that you are no different. I will do like wise with my money and time here, from now on...

Your team should have stayed away from personal opinions, or inclinations as a company.

[PipFromSlitherine]

Sorry if you feel disrespected, but I was very clear about the reasoning for the locking of the last thread yet you immediately posted more conspiracy links.

Cheers

Pip

[balto]

Is there a way that those that only spread doom-and-gloom, Matrix can insert where it says "Matrix Legion of Merit" insert instead "Matrix Legion of Dongs?" And leave it forever.

[PipFromSlitherine]

ORIGINAL: balto

Is there a way that those that only spread doom-and-gloom, Matrix can insert where it says "Matrix Legion of Merit" insert instead "Matrix Legion of Dongs?" And leave it forever.

Everyone is on edge, but let's keep things civil please.

Cheers

Pip

[MrsWargamer]

Benefit of being a woman, is I don't need to argue.

I'm always right. Trust me, always right. If you are smart, you'll agree, I'm always right.

[rommel222]

Greetings MrsWargamer,
You have support:
https://www.mrt.com/columnists/article/ ... 451768.php

But I remind my wife that I do not follow those tenets.
I got her the Dodge Charger out of spare change (now I am broke and have to teach another year).

[Curtis Lemay]

Today's worldwide figures:

[MrRoadrunner]

89,915/1,502,618 = 6%

[jaimewolf2980]

That isn't the death rate anyway, to calculate the death rate you need to know the denominator (total number of cases). Iceland data suggests as much as 50% of cases are asymptomatic or unreported, new study from Germany suggests only 6% of worldwide cases are being reported. While the true scale of undetected cases is currently unknown, what IS known is that severity is inversely proportional to age - this tends to indicate a large number of younger asymptomatic carriers - meaning any approximation of death rate from cases (or recovered) is meaningless atm. Idiots dividing column X by column Y on a spreadsheet to come up with death rates are scaremongering - no offense intended.

LOL - a death rate of 20%, I have no problem with someone having a column with 20% in it, but THAT is NOT the death rate (CFR), call it something more appropriate. Ebola's CFR can be as high as ~60%... FFS, this thing is therefore 33% as bad as EBOLA... /s.. LOL I think not.


The deathrate for this virion is much lower than 20%, but the rate of transmission is ridiculously high and all the scientists are desperate to know the asymptomatic numbers but for that we need ELISA/antibody tests. rtPCRs are reasonably reliable, quick but detect the viral RNA, which can still be present some time after they have recovered (eg virus coated in neutralizing IgG, IgM will still give a positive result in a rtPCR), conversely someone who had the virus and mild or no symptoms a month ago may not test positive in the PCR. These kinds of test results were responsible for all the "reinfection stories" in the media a few weeks ago (and probably that dog in Hong Kong - though animal infection remains a real concern - this is zoonotic after all, and there are alot of mammals on the phylogentic tree between bats / pangolins??/ humans). People can test positive way after. Better to look at their symptoms if you are concerned about reinfection. Only immunocompromised individuals would be at risk of real reinfection.

[RangerJoe]

He has been informed of this many times.

[rico21]

[&o][&o][&o][:D][:D][:D]

[MrRoadrunner]

"Idiots dividing column X by column Y on a spreadsheet to come up with death rates are scaremongering - no offense intended."
jaimewolf2980

Thanks for your contribution. Two posts and you resort to name calling?
Step up your game, please. [:-]

RR

[Curtis Lemay]

Today's worldwide figures:

[RangerJoe]

Minnesota doctor blasts 'ridiculous' CDC coronavirus death count guidelines

Jensen then told Ingraham that under the CDC guidelines, a patient who died after being hit by a bus and tested positive for coronavirus would be listed as having presumed to have died from the virus regardless of whatever damage was caused by the bus.

"That doesn't make any sense," he said.

Jensen also reacted to Dr. Anthony Fauci's response to a question about the potential for the number of coronavirus deaths being "padded," in which the NIAID director described the prevalance of "conspiracy theories" during "challenging" times in public health.

"I would remind him that anytime health care intersects with dollars it gets awkward," Jensen said.

"Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/physician ... guidelines

[rico21]

To avoid contagion, it is better to run side by side than one behind the other

Science & Techno
Belgium
Netherlands
Het Laatste Nieuws - Brussels

Posted on 10/04/2020 - 12:34

If physical activity is a great help in supporting containment, Belgian and Dutch researchers warn: greater safety distances must be observed and care must be taken not to run behind one another.
Our services

The safety distance of 1.5 meters, recommended by the authorities, is entirely valid "for people who are inside or outside in calm weather", confirms Het Laatste Nieuws. "But when you walk, run or cycle, you have to be a little more careful." The Belgian newspaper spoke with Professor Bert Blocken, aerodynamics researcher at the University of Louvain (Belgium) and the University of Eindhoven (Netherlands), both of whom are behind a new study joint.

As the researcher explains:

When a jogger expires or coughs, droplets remain suspended behind it. The person running behind - in what is called the slipstream - therefore passes through this cloud of droplets. ”

"The slipstream," he says, "is the area just behind a person who runs or rides a bike," his wake, where you can feel a suction effect, useful in other circumstances. , to cyclists.
Three scenarios

As the Flemish daily details, the Belgian and Dutch researchers studied the dispersion of the droplets using simulations that clearly show the movement of the cloud left by a moving person. They studied different layouts (one person next to the other, one right behind the other, one far behind the other). Their conclusions are clear:

These simulations indicate that the situation of two people playing sports next to each other in calm weather is one where social distancing matters the least. In this configuration, the droplets fly behind the two people. The risk of being hit by another sportsperson's droplets is also fairly low when standing behind him or her at a distance. It’s when you’re right behind a person, in their slipstream, that the risk of contamination is greatest. ”

In light of these results, concludes Het Laatste Nieuws, Professor Blocken recommends observing a distance of “at least four to five meters” from the person in front when walking, ten when running or cycling, and “at least 20 meters” when riding a bicycle at high speed.
Source

Het Laatste NieuwsBrussels
www.hln.be

[RangerJoe]

Yes, if you can smell their pharts, then you are in the danger zone . . . [X(]