OT: Corona virus

[mind_messing]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The folks who have gotten it consistently wrong are the ones who wish to impose their views on those who got it right.

With right being, naturally, what you determine it to be. [8|]

[Canoerebel]

Of course not. The proof was, and is, in the pudding.

[BBfanboy]

Back to the topic, some possible good news on testing - with official government approval now, not just "trials" "

https://globalnews.ca/news/6810934/rapi ... th-canada/

The test has a kit part for taking the sample and a machine that reads the result. Results have been obtained in as little as half an hour. Canada immediately bought 100,000 kits and 250 machines - probably to ensure the company ramps up production before other countries come calling.

[Canoerebel]

More good news. New York reported 671 deaths today, down markedly from the past few days. The projected total was 637 with a margin of error of 205 to 1802.

Nothing but personal opinion here, but I can't imagine our country will feel at ease until NYC is doing well. There may be easing here and there, where the pandemic appears particularly manageable, but NYC seems to be the key to moving forward.

The Univ. of Washington site continues to perform well for the states and for the country.

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Back to the topic, some possible good news on testing - with official government approval now, not just "trials" "

https://globalnews.ca/news/6810934/rapi ... th-canada/

The test has a kit part for taking the sample and a machine that reads the result. Results have been obtained in as little as half an hour. Canada immediately bought 100,000 kits and 250 machines - probably to ensure the company ramps up production before other countries come calling.

Then there was a link to this, off topic item but it could also be used in situ to break down contaminated plastic:

Mutant enzyme could break down plastic bottles for recycling in hours, scientists say
https://globalnews.ca/news/6809966/plas ... es-mutant/

[MakeeLearn]

NYC coronavirus death-rate, hospitalizations flattening
Apr 12, 2020


https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/2020 ... ening.html



"STATEN ISLAND, N.Y.-- The rate at which New York City residents are being hospitalized and dying from coronavirus (COVID-19) related illnesses appears to have flattened.

Data from the city’s Department of Health shows 326 new deaths reported from Saturday to Sunday, after 398 new deaths were reported on Saturday and 639 were reported on Friday.

The death rate on Staten Island is dropping as well."


"The number of positive cases across the city is lower than what actually is the case, however, due to a lack of testing, city and state officials have said."

[Canoerebel]

More good news from the UK today (in context of the overall pandemic and bearing in mind what each number represents). Daily mortality dropped a bit, to 717, far under the projected 1,535 by U. Wash. (margin of error 671 to 3,263). It seems very likely that U. Wash. will revised its projection downwards shortly from the 37k currently in place.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Back to the topic, some possible good news on testing - with official government approval now, not just "trials" "

https://globalnews.ca/news/6810934/rapi ... th-canada/

The test has a kit part for taking the sample and a machine that reads the result. Results have been obtained in as little as half an hour. Canada immediately bought 100,000 kits and 250 machines - probably to ensure the company ramps up production before other countries come calling.

Then there was a link to this, off topic item but it could also be used in situ to break down contaminated plastic:

Mutant enzyme could break down plastic bottles for recycling in hours, scientists say
https://globalnews.ca/news/6809966/plas ... es-mutant/

I saw that and my first thought was that it sounds similar to the bacteria they discovered that eats oil - you never want it to get away on you and go where you do not want it to!

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Right, but most people do go. They go if they have a broken toe or a high fever or gunshot wound or a laceration. I see no reason the great majority wouldn't go if having serious coronavirus symptoms. Cap Mandrake and others are more likely to know for certain, but that's my experience here in Georgia and vicinity and anecdotally around the country.

That's the thing though - I'd suggest that your local experiences and the wider experiences via anecdote (given that my understanding is that you avoid the media I assume that this anecdotal evidence comes from your own acquaintances elsewhere in the US) do not equate to the experiences of (leaving race aside for the time being) impoverished inner city communities in New York - or indeed in the other big US cities that are potentially at risk of big outbreaks moving forward.

I don't think impoverished has as much to do with it as the concentration of so many people in such a limited area and especially the fact that the majority live in high rise buildings forcing all to share the air in vertical transportation conveyances. How do you observe social separation recommendations inside an elevator?

[MakeeLearn]

Facts about Covid-19

"Swiss Propaganda Research (SPR), founded in 2016, is an independent nonprofit research group investigating geopolitical propaganda in Swiss and international media. SPR is run by independent academics and receives no external funding."

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/


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Too much info to list here

[Nomad]

Here is an article discussing how long Covid-19 has been active in the USA. It postulates it has been here longer than many think.
Oops, I guess a link is in order:

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... erica.html

[MakeeLearn]

Latest coronavirus model predicts fewer deaths in Florida.
April 13, 2020

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/32 ... in-florida


"A University of Washington coronavirus pandemic model showed a gloomy outlook for Florida just days ago, but a new update offers a less dire outcome."


"Florida Department of Health data has shown a slowdown in case counts, from a to-date peak of 1,300-a-day last week to around 1,100 for the past few days.

As of Saturday morning, DOH reports 18,494 coronavirus cases statewide, with 438 deaths and 2,528 hospitalizations."

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: Nomad

Here is an article discussing how long Covid-19 has been active in the USA. It postulates it has been here longer than many think.

Where dat be?

[Canoerebel]

From the preceding link provided by MakeeLearn (Swiss Propaganda Research): "Countries without lockdowns and contact bans, such as Japan, South Korea and Sweden, have not experienced a more negative course of events than other countries. This might call into question the effectiveness of such far-reaching measures."

I don't know anything about that outfit or its methods, but this finding would be groundbreaking if true.

[MakeeLearn]

Angela Merkel faces pressure to ease lockdown and reopen schools as Germany's daily Covid-19 death count drops to 126 and cops are attacked with stones and iron bars while trying to enforce social distancing
13 April 2020

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... drops.html


"German Chancellor Angela Merkel is facing pressure to ease the lockdown and reopen schools as the number of new coronavirus cases and deaths in the country continues to fall.

Germany reported 2,537 new cases today marking the third consecutive day of decline.

The country saw 4,133 new diagnoses on Saturday and 2,821 on Sunday with the total number of infected now hitting 123,016. The death toll is also on its third day of decline after it rose by 126 to 2,799.

The declining figures come amid shocking reports that groups of thugs attacked German police with iron bars and threw stones when the officers tried to disperse them."

[Canoerebel]

From Swiss Media Group: "Several media have been caught trying to dramatize the situation in clinics, sometimes even with manipulative pictures and videos. In general, many media outlets do not question even doubtful official statements and figures."

That's pretty darned provocative.

It'd be helpful to know if this Media Group is bogus or not.

[Canoerebel]

From Swiss Media Group: "In a serological pilot study, German virologist Hendrick Streeck comes to the interim result that the lethality of Covid19 is at 0.37% and the mortality (based on the total population) at 0.06%. These values are about ten times lower than those of the WHO and about five times lower than those of Johns Hopkins University."

If that's true, Chickenboy's thoughts way back on February 26 were on target.

[Canoerebel]

While I'm unfamiliar with the SMG, this assertion makes sense: "Professor Ansgar Lohse, Director at the Hamburg University Hospital, explains in an interview: In my opinion, the Swedish measures are the most rational in the world. Of course, the question arises whether this can be kept up psychologically. Initially, the Swedes have to reckon with significantly more deaths, but in the medium to long term these will then be significantly reduced. The bill will be paid in a year – if the Swedes can hold out. Unfortunately, the fear of the virus often forces politicians to take actions that are not necessarily reasonable. Politics is driven also by the images in the media."

It's hard to swim against a current.

[Canoerebel]

Here's a case where SMG seems to get it wrong: "A Covid19 field hospital near Seattle in Washington State was closed after only three days without admitting any patients. This is reminiscent of the hospitals built at short notice near Wuhan, which were also mostly under-utilized or even empty and were then dismantled after a short time."

As I understand it, the field hospital was built to take on non-Covid cases, freeing up ICUs to handle them. (The same thing was done with the two USN hospital ships.)

Since SMG is new to me, I won't quote further unless and until its bona fides are established. But their thoughts make interesting reading.

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

From Swiss Media Group: "Several media have been caught trying to dramatize the situation in clinics, sometimes even with manipulative pictures and videos. In general, many media outlets do not question even doubtful official statements and figures."

That's pretty darned provocative.

It'd be helpful to know if this Media Group is bogus or not.

CBS showed video of an overwhelmed Italian hospital in a story about New York....twice. The first time the claimed an "editing error"..then they did the exact same thing 2 d later.

That's exploitation.