OT: Corona virus

[MakeeLearn]

Trump to ease lockdown, saying virus cases have 'passed peak'
3 hrs ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnb7Kz

"President Donald Trump vowed to unveil plans Thursday to reopen the world's top economy, following cautious moves in Europe, claiming the US had "passed the peak" of the coronavirus crisis despite a record daily death toll."


"The death toll has topped 133,000 with more than two million infected, according to an AFP tally -- with nearly 2,600 dying in the past 24 hours in the US alone.

But a bullish Trump told reporters his "aggressive strategy" against the virus was working and that "the data suggests that nationwide we have passed the peak on new cases"."

"He promised swift "guidelines" on reopening parts of the country, suggesting less-affected states could ease restrictions before May 1."

[Canoerebel]

It isn't clear what this comment is aimed at, nor who, but it's inappropriate here. People disagree as to what and how and when but this community isn't cavalier about life and death issues.

ORIGINAL: Encircled
It does sound like the deaths of thousands isn't as important as your personal freedom for about a year, but maybe I'm reading it wrong?

[Encircled]

I hope that Captain Mandrake has got this right and its only a negotiation tactic of Trumps (and he has done it before, so that is my belief)

But the time for this is after this crisis is over, not during it!

Only way to sort this out so we can return to some sort of normality is a global effort.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Dehumanizing.

Do you want to see the most advanced technology ever made?

Look in the mirror.

Amen to that, brother.

[Encircled]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It isn't clear what this comment is aimed at, nor who, but it's inappropriate here. People disagree as to what and how and when but this community isn't cavalier about life and death issues.

ORIGINAL: Encircled
It does sound like the deaths of thousands isn't as important as your personal freedom for about a year, but maybe I'm reading it wrong?

Which is why I asked if I was reading it wrong.

The virus doesn't care about the 4th amendment basically and I doubt it was a factor when it was written.

If you want to uphold the 4th amendment ahead of health advice, then that is 100% your prerogative.

But that also means that you are effectively going to kill more people.

Try looking at this without emotion, and like a scientist or even a historian would.

Because essentially that is why I'm trying to be dispassionate about it, so that I can look at it without getting overwhelmed by the sheer scale of the problem.

[MakeeLearn]

It’s the End of the World Economy as We Know It

2 hrs ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets ... li=BBnb7Kz


"“There will be a rethink of how much any country wants to be reliant on any other country,” said Elizabeth Economy, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. “I don’t think fundamentally this is the end of globalization. But this does accelerate the type of thinking that has been going on in the Trump administration, that there are critical technologies, critical resources, reserve manufacturing capacity that we want here in the U.S. in case of crisis.”"

[Canoerebel]

What are you talking about? I haven't mentioned the 4th Amendment. I have no idea what you're focusing on or talking about.

I'm certainly not going to kill more people. I think you've veered into a weird place. Probably you're confusing what I've said with what others have said and come to some flawed conclusions.

ORIGINAL: Encircled

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It isn't clear what this comment is aimed at, nor who, but it's inappropriate here. People disagree as to what and how and when but this community isn't cavalier about life and death issues.

ORIGINAL: Encircled
It does sound like the deaths of thousands isn't as important as your personal freedom for about a year, but maybe I'm reading it wrong?

Which is why I asked if I was reading it wrong.

The virus doesn't care about the 4th amendment basically and I doubt it was a factor when it was written.

If you want to uphold the 4th amendment ahead of health advice, then that is 100% your prerogative.

But that also means that you are effectively going to kill more people.

Try looking at this without emotion, and like a scientist or even a historian would.

Because essentially that is why I'm trying to be dispassionate about it, so that I can look at it without getting overwhelmed by the sheer scale of the problem.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It isn't clear what this comment is aimed at, nor who, but it's inappropriate here. People disagree as to what and how and when but this community isn't cavalier about life and death issues.

ORIGINAL: Encircled
It does sound like the deaths of thousands isn't as important as your personal freedom for about a year, but maybe I'm reading it wrong?

I guess it isn't fair to expect non-Americans to know our history and this illustrious quote:

"Give me Liberty or give me Death!"

Who says the loss of freedoms will be only for a year?
History teaches that once they are sacrificed, a fight is required to regain them.

I do agree that the reprehensible attempt to color those concerned about freedom and liberty as oafs uncaring of the suffering of others is inappropriate.

And this kind of an accusation is anything but dispassionate.

[MakeeLearn]

10 Good Things We Owe To The Black Death
Updated August 1, 2018

https://listverse.com/2015/01/28/10-goo ... ack-death/

10 Healthier People
9 The Perfume Industry
8 Hospitals
7 Sex Comedies
6 More Functional Homes
5 Predominance Of English
4 End Of Feudalism
3 The Middle Class
2 Freedom Of Thought
1 Humanism

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Your mileage may vary... GREATLY.

[MakeeLearn]

Flouting social distancing rules, Ivanka Trump flew to New Jersey for seder
Today, 10:21 am

https://www.timesofisrael.com/flouting- ... for-seder/


"President’s daughter has been at forefront of administration’s response to coronavirus, and repeatedly urged Americans to refrain from discretionary travel"

"US President Donald Trump’s eldest daughter, Ivanka Trump, has failed to follow the federal government’s guidelines against unnecessary travel, The New York Times reported on Thursday.

Trump, who serves as a senior adviser to her father and has led some of the administration’s efforts to combat the coronavirus pandemic’s economic fallout, has repeatedly urged Americans to stay home and refrain from discretionary travel.

But before the start of Passover on April 8, she traveled with her husband Jared Kushner, also a senior adviser to the president, and their three children from the couple’s home in the Kalorama neighborhood of Washington, DC, to the Trump National Golf Club Bedminster in New Jersey. "

[Cap Mandrake]

This list of people who have stood up to the Chicoms is not very long. Truman. The Indians. The Vietnamese. The Taiwanese. South Koreans. The Tibetans and the Uyghurs and now Trump.

The Tibetans and Uyghurs got rolled. So did the Vietnamese but at least they tried.

[Encircled]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It isn't clear what this comment is aimed at, nor who, but it's inappropriate here. People disagree as to what and how and when but this community isn't cavalier about life and death issues.

ORIGINAL: Encircled
It does sound like the deaths of thousands isn't as important as your personal freedom for about a year, but maybe I'm reading it wrong?

I guess it isn't fair to expect non-Americans to know our history and this illustrious quote:

"Give me Liberty or give me Death!"

Who says the loss of freedoms will be only for a year?
History teaches that once they are sacrificed, a fight is required to regain them.

I do agree that the reprehensible attempt to color those concerned about freedom and liberty as oafs uncaring of the suffering of others is inappropriate.

And this kind of an accusation is anything but dispassionate.

Right, which is why I asked if I was reading it wrong!

FFS

You are looking for offence in absolutely everything, and that appears to be strangling any debate about anything.

And that includes how to move on from the current situation to something approaching normality.

I think the only way to do it is with mass testing, contact tracing, and probably with some sort of immunity certificate.

If you think you have a different idea, then by all means say so!

I want to hear about different plans, but ideally ones that don't involve just letting this burn itself out with as many deaths as that takes (that does not means that I think that is what you want, but it is the only alternative at the moment)

And I haven't seen one on here yet, which is why I'm asking.

[Encircled]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

What are you talking about? I haven't mentioned the 4th Amendment. I have no idea what you're focusing on or talking about.

I'm certainly not going to kill more people. I think you've veered into a weird place. Probably you're confusing what I've said with what others have said and come to some flawed conclusions.

ORIGINAL: Encircled

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It isn't clear what this comment is aimed at, nor who, but it's inappropriate here. People disagree as to what and how and when but this community isn't cavalier about life and death issues.

Which is why I asked if I was reading it wrong.

The virus doesn't care about the 4th amendment basically and I doubt it was a factor when it was written.

If you want to uphold the 4th amendment ahead of health advice, then that is 100% your prerogative.

But that also means that you are effectively going to kill more people.

Try looking at this without emotion, and like a scientist or even a historian would.

Because essentially that is why I'm trying to be dispassionate about it, so that I can look at it without getting overwhelmed by the sheer scale of the problem.

Apologies, I took a quote from Capt mandrake about the 4th amendment and wrongly grouped you all in in it.

I meant that unfortunately I don't see any other way that doesn't involve more governmental powers to return us to normality anytime soon.

[Cap Mandrake]

Show of hands. Who thinks the Chicoms are going to pay for the vaccine for the Third World when it is available?

I can hear the chorus now...."It's in the interest of the US to pay for it"

[Encircled]

If its anyhelp, I don't think the US or UK will pay for it.

But if all the nations that can afford to help, help, then like all the other diseases that have been near eradicated, then this will go the same way.

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Show of hands. Who thinks the Chicoms are going to pay for the vaccine for the Third World when it is available?

I can hear the chorus now...."It's in the interest of the US to pay for it"

Show of hands.... NOW SMILE!

[Canoerebel]

Thanks, Encircled, for the clarification. That helps a lot.

Your apology also means a great deal.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: Encircled

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It isn't clear what this comment is aimed at, nor who, but it's inappropriate here. People disagree as to what and how and when but this community isn't cavalier about life and death issues.

I guess it isn't fair to expect non-Americans to know our history and this illustrious quote:

"Give me Liberty or give me Death!"

Who says the loss of freedoms will be only for a year?
History teaches that once they are sacrificed, a fight is required to regain them.

I do agree that the reprehensible attempt to color those concerned about freedom and liberty as oafs uncaring of the suffering of others is inappropriate.

And this kind of an accusation is anything but dispassionate.

Right, which is why I asked if I was reading it wrong!

FFS

You are looking for offence in absolutely everything, and that appears to be strangling any debate about anything.

And that includes how to move on from the current situation to something approaching normality.

I think the only way to do it is with mass testing, contact tracing, and probably with some sort of immunity certificate.

If you think you have a different idea, then by all means say so!

I want to hear about different plans, but ideally ones that don't involve just letting this burn itself out with as many deaths as that takes (that does not means that I think that is what you want, but it is the only alternative at the moment)

And I haven't seen one on here yet, which is why I'm asking.

Absent a working vaccine how can we do anything but wait for it to run its course.

How does getting a negative test today qualify anyone for an 'immunity certificate' when they can contract it tomorrow?

You are grasping at straws.

[Cap Mandrake]

Public Health is one of the few worthwhile activities of government but giving them more tools for surveillance is absolutely dangerous. The Patriot Act seemed like a good idea at the time but now we find out the boys in Washington are using the FISA court to spy on US citizens and bullshitting the FISA judges.

I don't trust them to put the WIFI chirp data back in the bottle when the pandemic is over.

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Public Health is one of the few worthwhile activities of government but giving them more tools for surveillance is absolutely dangerous. The Patriot Act seemed like a good idea at the time but now we find out the boys in Washington are using the FISA court to spy on US citizens and bullshitting the FISA judges.

I don't trust them to put the WIFI chirp data back in the bottle when the pandemic is over.

The dance is just beginning.