OT: Corona virus

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: SuluSea

People are sick but no doubt we've had epidemics before but I can't shake the feeling that this is another hoax in a long line of them perpetrated by the 'mainstream' media the last 3 and a half years.

We have rights given by our forefathers (the Framers of the Constitution) and ain't no one taken mine away.

Ben Franklin said it best..."This [the U.S. Constitution] is likely to be administered for a course of years and then end in despotism... when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other."

warspite1

Have you ever visited the planet earth? [8|]

[RangerJoe]

Things got a little heated during the discussion:

Mayor Lori Lightfoot’s opponents block COVID-19 measure giving her extraordinary spending powers for Chicago’s pandemic response

Opponents of Mayor Lori Lightfoot’s move to codify extraordinary spending powers in response to the coronavirus blocked its passage Wednesday, though their victory in stopping what they see as mayoral overreach may be short-lived.
When five aldermen used a parliamentary procedure to automatically defer Lightfoot’s emergency powers ordinance until the next City Council meeting, the mayor responded by immediately setting a new meeting for 1 p.m. Friday to vote on the measure then.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavi ... story.html

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The part of this article I was able to read before the paywall popped up was reasonable but the editor of the NYT told his own newsroom they showed bias during the 2016 election. Like we needed him to tell us that. [:)] The NYT editorial board is a diversity check-list of Lefty lunatics.

American conservatives don't trust the NYT. Of course, there are the occasional "random acts of journalism" and the Times gets the best leaked government swamp stories

The two parts of your first sentence are not related.

[obvert]

Case density in the US. This is a map I've been following for a while. A few recent posts mentioned Sweden and their lack of lockdown.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... e=Homepage

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The part of this article I was able to read before the paywall popped up was reasonable but the editor of the NYT told his own newsroom they showed bias during the 2016 election. Like we needed him to tell us that. [:)] The NYT editorial board is a diversity check-list of Lefty lunatics.

American conservatives don't trust the NYT. Of course, there are the occasional "random acts of journalism" and the Times gets the best leaked government swamp stories

The two parts of your first sentence are not related.

Sure they are. Was the article not from the NYT? The NYT is populated by Leftists but they still manage to have interesting articles at times. That is simply the point.

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: obvert

Case density in the US. This is a map I've been following for a while. A few recent posts mentioned Sweden and their lack of lockdown.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... e=Homepage

Old Route 66 sure got slaughtered.


"Get your COVID...on Route 66"

[Cap Mandrake]

Looks like the Navajo Nation got clobbered too.

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Looks like the Navajo Nation got clobbered too.

And indigenous tribes in the Amazon, nursing homes, meat packing plants, prisons, etc. Looking at this from a "reconnaissance of enemy troops", the number of infected people has to be very high. With the vast majority - asymptomatic or mild. A very good chance that mortality rate is < 1%.

[RangerJoe]

You can see where the college towns are.

NW Minnesota with the dark area are two college towns, Rochester is SE MN is not only a college town but where the Mayo Clinic is. But the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul are not hit as hard.

Superior Wisconsin in NW Wisconsin also has colleges there as well as across the border in Duluth MN.

Western ND has a spot where the fracking is.

You can see where Salt Lake City is, which does have some colleges there as well.

But a lot of the Western US not on the coast does not have a lot except for Washington state, Colorado, as mentioned the reservations in Arizona and New Mexico as well as the fun spots in Nevada.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Troubling findings from AVMA...

@Hansbolter-check this out. Best to probably keep your cats indoor exclusive (mine are) until further notice.

Confirmation of COVID-19 in Two Pet Cats in New York

Washington, D.C. April 22, 2020 – The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the United States Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) National Veterinary Services Laboratories (NVSL) today announced the first confirmed cases of SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) infection in two pet cats. These are the first pets in the United States to test positive for SARS-CoV-2.

The cats live in two separate areas of New York state. Both had mild respiratory illness and are expected to make a full recovery. SARS-CoV-2 infections have been reported in very few animals worldwide, mostly in those that had close contact with a person with COVID-19.

At this time, routine testing of animals is not recommended. Should other animals be confirmed positive for SARS-CoV-2 in the United States, USDA will post the findings at https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfoc ... animals-us. State animal health and public health officials will take the lead in making determinations about whether animals should be tested for SARS-CoV-2.

In the New York cases announced today, a veterinarian tested the first cat after it showed mild respiratory signs. No individuals in the household were confirmed to be ill with COVID-19. The virus may have been transmitted to this cat by mildly ill or asymptomatic household members or through contact with an infected person outside its home.



Samples from the second cat were taken after it showed signs of respiratory illness. The owner of the cat tested positive for COVID-19 prior to the cat showing signs. Another cat in the household has shown no signs of illness.



Both cats tested presumptive positive for SARS-CoV-2 at a private veterinary laboratory, which then reported the results to state and federal officials. The confirmatory testing was conducted at NVSL and included collection of additional samples. NVSL serves as an international reference laboratory and provides expertise and guidance on diagnostic techniques, as well as confirmatory testing for foreign and emerging animal diseases. Such testing is required for certain animal diseases in the U.S. in order to comply with national and international reporting procedures. The World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) considers SARS-CoV-2 an emerging disease, and therefore USDA must report confirmed U.S. animal infections to the OIE.



Public health officials are still learning about SARS-CoV-2, but there is no evidence that pets play a role in spreading the virus in the United States. Therefore, there is no justification in taking measures against companion animals that may compromise their welfare. Further studies are needed to understand if and how different animals, including pets, could be affected.

Until we know more, CDC recommends the following:

Do not let pets interact with people or other animals outside the household.
Keep cats indoors when possible to prevent them from interacting with other animals or people.
Walk dogs on a leash, maintaining at least 6 feet from other people and animals.
Avoid dog parks or public places where a large number of people and dogs gather.

If you are sick with COVID-19 (either suspected or confirmed by a test), restrict contact with your pets and other animals, just like you would around other people.

When possible, have another member of your household care for your pets while you are sick.
Avoid contact with your pet, including petting, snuggling, being kissed or licked, and sharing food or bedding.
If you must care for your pet or be around animals while you are sick, wear a cloth face covering and wash your hands before and after you interact with them.

While additional animals may test positive as infections continue in people, it is important to note that performing this animal testing does not reduce the availability of tests for humans. The U.S. government remains committed to increasing nationwide COVID-19 testing for Americans. In fact, the United States has conducted more than four million COVID-19 tests for humans, which is more tests than the following nations combined: France, the UK, South Korea, Japan, Singapore, India, Austria, Australia, Sweden, and Canada.

For more information on animals and COVID-19, see: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... imals.html

For more information about testing in animals, see:

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_healt ... esting.pdf

Thanks Chickenboy. That's good information to be aware of but it's simply an impossibility for me.

My 7 cats are all indoor/outdoor types who would quickly become neurotic if I tried to force them to live indoors.
I have cat doors on both front and rear doors allowing them free access without my having to serve as full time doorman.

I also feed 3-5 stray cats whom I won't stop providing for.

On top of that my home only has air conditioning in two bedrooms in the form of window shakers.
Both bedrooms also have cat doors allowing free access when the air is running and the doors are closed.

I would never consider forcing my cats to remain in the stifling hot house all day long while I am at work.

Not to mention what the litter box situation would be like.......

We can't put life on hold in order to try and hide from the virus.





Waiting now to be lambasted and ridiculed by the 'why aren't you locked down crowd'............

[MakeeLearn]

Now this....


A mysterious blood-clotting complication is killing coronavirus patients
1 hr ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health ... li=BBnb7Kz


"One doctor replied that one of his patients had a strange blood problem. Despite receiving anticoagulants, the patient was still developing clots. A second said she’d seen something similar. And a third. Soon, every person on the text chat had reported the same thing.

“That’s when we knew we had a huge problem,” said Coopersmith, a critical-care surgeon. As he checked with his counterparts at other medical centers, he became increasingly alarmed: “It was in as many as 20, 30 or 40 percent of their patients.” "

"Autopsies have shown some people’s lungs fill with hundreds of microclots. Errant blood clots of a larger size can break off and travel to the brain or heart, causing a stroke or heart attack. On Saturday, Broadway actor Nick Cordero, 41, had his right leg amputated after being infected with the novel coronavirus and suffering from clots that blocked blood from getting to his toes. "

"“The problem we are having is that while we understand that there is a clot, we don’t yet understand why there is a clot,” Kaplan said. “We don’t know. And therefore, we are scared.” "

[MakeeLearn]

This Has to Stop: Mother Handcuffed and Arrested by Police in Idaho for Letting Kids Play in a Park (VIDEO)
April 21, 2020


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/0 ... ark-video/


A young mother was arrested by police in Idaho for playing with her children in a park.

[MakeeLearn]

Aberrant coagulation causes a hyper-inflammatory response in severe influenza pneumonia
2016 Apr 4.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4947825/


"Influenza virus infection causes excessive activation of ECs and platelets, which triggers a coagulation cascade with concurrently impaired anti-coagulatory and fibrinolytic signaling. Such a pro-coagulant state can cause hemorrhagic fever and is often associated with ARDS in severe flu patients.

The aberrant coagulation system contributes to the severity of influenza at multiple levels.

The activated ECs and platelets first produce pro-inflammatory cytokines and chemokines that enhance inflammatory cell infiltration and increase vascular permeability. Platelets are further activated under these circumstances."

" Dysfunctional coagulation is a common complication in pathogenic influenza, manifested by lung endothelial activation, vascular leak, disseminated intravascular coagulation and pulmonary microembolism. "

[MakeeLearn]

"Heart and Vascular - Flu Impact on Heart"
No Date

https://www.stjohnleavenworth.com/Servi ... Heart.aspx



""Flu can make a cholesterol filled plaque vulnerable to rupture, form a blood clot and cause heart attacks and sudden death," according to Saint John board-certified cardiologist Venkat Pasnoori, MD, MPH, FACC FSCAI.

Having any kind of viral infection, such as the flu, makes the heart work harder. In an effort to fight off the infection, the body releases chemicals that often cause inflammation, blood clotting and elevated blood pressure. "

[Nomad]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Troubling findings from AVMA...

@Hansbolter-check this out. Best to probably keep your cats indoor exclusive (mine are) until further notice.

Confirmation of COVID-19 in Two Pet Cats in New York

Washington, D.C. April 22, 2020 – The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the United States Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) National Veterinary Services Laboratories (NVSL) today announced the first confirmed cases of SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) infection in two pet cats. These are the first pets in the United States to test positive for SARS-CoV-2.

The cats live in two separate areas of New York state. Both had mild respiratory illness and are expected to make a full recovery. SARS-CoV-2 infections have been reported in very few animals worldwide, mostly in those that had close contact with a person with COVID-19.

At this time, routine testing of animals is not recommended. Should other animals be confirmed positive for SARS-CoV-2 in the United States, USDA will post the findings at https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfoc ... animals-us. State animal health and public health officials will take the lead in making determinations about whether animals should be tested for SARS-CoV-2.

In the New York cases announced today, a veterinarian tested the first cat after it showed mild respiratory signs. No individuals in the household were confirmed to be ill with COVID-19. The virus may have been transmitted to this cat by mildly ill or asymptomatic household members or through contact with an infected person outside its home.



Samples from the second cat were taken after it showed signs of respiratory illness. The owner of the cat tested positive for COVID-19 prior to the cat showing signs. Another cat in the household has shown no signs of illness.



Both cats tested presumptive positive for SARS-CoV-2 at a private veterinary laboratory, which then reported the results to state and federal officials. The confirmatory testing was conducted at NVSL and included collection of additional samples. NVSL serves as an international reference laboratory and provides expertise and guidance on diagnostic techniques, as well as confirmatory testing for foreign and emerging animal diseases. Such testing is required for certain animal diseases in the U.S. in order to comply with national and international reporting procedures. The World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE) considers SARS-CoV-2 an emerging disease, and therefore USDA must report confirmed U.S. animal infections to the OIE.



Public health officials are still learning about SARS-CoV-2, but there is no evidence that pets play a role in spreading the virus in the United States. Therefore, there is no justification in taking measures against companion animals that may compromise their welfare. Further studies are needed to understand if and how different animals, including pets, could be affected.

Until we know more, CDC recommends the following:

Do not let pets interact with people or other animals outside the household.
Keep cats indoors when possible to prevent them from interacting with other animals or people.
Walk dogs on a leash, maintaining at least 6 feet from other people and animals.
Avoid dog parks or public places where a large number of people and dogs gather.

If you are sick with COVID-19 (either suspected or confirmed by a test), restrict contact with your pets and other animals, just like you would around other people.

When possible, have another member of your household care for your pets while you are sick.
Avoid contact with your pet, including petting, snuggling, being kissed or licked, and sharing food or bedding.
If you must care for your pet or be around animals while you are sick, wear a cloth face covering and wash your hands before and after you interact with them.

While additional animals may test positive as infections continue in people, it is important to note that performing this animal testing does not reduce the availability of tests for humans. The U.S. government remains committed to increasing nationwide COVID-19 testing for Americans. In fact, the United States has conducted more than four million COVID-19 tests for humans, which is more tests than the following nations combined: France, the UK, South Korea, Japan, Singapore, India, Austria, Australia, Sweden, and Canada.

For more information on animals and COVID-19, see: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... imals.html

For more information about testing in animals, see:

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_healt ... esting.pdf

Thanks Chickenboy. That's good information to be aware of but it's simply an impossibility for me.

My 7 cats are all indoor/outdoor types who would quickly become neurotic if I tried to force them to live indoors.
I have cat doors on both front and rear doors allowing them free access without my having to serve as full time doorman.

I also feed 3-5 stray cats whom I won't stop providing for.

On top of that my home only has air conditioning in two bedrooms in the form of window shakers.
Both bedrooms also have cat doors allowing free access when the air is running and the doors are closed.

I would never consider forcing my cats to remain in the stifling hot house all day long while I am at work.

Not to mention what the litter box situation would be like.......

We can't put life on hold in order to try and hide from the virus.





Waiting now to be lambasted and ridiculed by the 'why aren't you locked down crowd'............

Far from lambasting you, we all have to do what we can and what we have to do. I hope that you and all your cats do fine.

[MakeeLearn]

Severe Swine Flu Could Lead to Blood Clots in Lungs: Study
Oct. 14, 2009


https://consumer.healthday.com/circulat ... 31954.html



"People who are severely ill with the H1N1 swine flu run the risk of blood clots in the lungs, University of Michigan researchers say."

""The high incidence of pulmonary embolism is important. Radiologists have to be aware to look closely for the risks of pulmonary embolism in severely sick patients," study lead author Dr. Prachi P. Agarwal, assistant professor of radiology at the University of Michigan Medical School, said in a university news release."

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Now this....


A mysterious blood-clotting complication is killing coronavirus patients
1 hr ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health ... li=BBnb7Kz


"One doctor replied that one of his patients had a strange blood problem. Despite receiving anticoagulants, the patient was still developing clots. A second said she’d seen something similar. And a third. Soon, every person on the text chat had reported the same thing.

“That’s when we knew we had a huge problem,” said Coopersmith, a critical-care surgeon. As he checked with his counterparts at other medical centers, he became increasingly alarmed: “It was in as many as 20, 30 or 40 percent of their patients.” "

"Autopsies have shown some people’s lungs fill with hundreds of microclots. Errant blood clots of a larger size can break off and travel to the brain or heart, causing a stroke or heart attack. On Saturday, Broadway actor Nick Cordero, 41, had his right leg amputated after being infected with the novel coronavirus and suffering from clots that blocked blood from getting to his toes. "

"“The problem we are having is that while we understand that there is a clot, we don’t yet understand why there is a clot,” Kaplan said. “We don’t know. And therefore, we are scared.” "

Like with the flu?

[MakeeLearn]

ORIGINAL: SuluSea

People are sick but no doubt we've had epidemics before but I can't shake the feeling that this is another hoax in a long line of them perpetrated by the 'mainstream' media the last 3 and a half years.

We have rights given by our forefathers (the Framers of the Constitution) and ain't no one taken mine away.

Ben Franklin said it best..."This [the U.S. Constitution] is likely to be administered for a course of years and then end in despotism... when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other."

A wise man and seems like he would be fun company. He is on my list of 5 people from history to spend a evening with.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The part of this article I was able to read before the paywall popped up was reasonable but the editor of the NYT told his own newsroom they showed bias during the 2016 election. Like we needed him to tell us that. [:)] The NYT editorial board is a diversity check-list of Lefty lunatics.

American conservatives don't trust the NYT. Of course, there are the occasional "random acts of journalism" and the Times gets the best leaked government swamp stories

The two parts of your first sentence are not related.

Sure they are. Was the article not from the NYT? The NYT is populated by Leftists but they still manage to have interesting articles at times. That is simply the point.

It just feels like every statement needs to have some adolescent dig added in to be valid. It "was reasonable but ... ." Why the but?

Constantly trumpeting your political position is irrelevant and boring.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Now this....


A mysterious blood-clotting complication is killing coronavirus patients
1 hr ago

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health ... li=BBnb7Kz


"One doctor replied that one of his patients had a strange blood problem. Despite receiving anticoagulants, the patient was still developing clots. A second said she’d seen something similar. And a third. Soon, every person on the text chat had reported the same thing.

“That’s when we knew we had a huge problem,” said Coopersmith, a critical-care surgeon. As he checked with his counterparts at other medical centers, he became increasingly alarmed: “It was in as many as 20, 30 or 40 percent of their patients.” "

"Autopsies have shown some people’s lungs fill with hundreds of microclots. Errant blood clots of a larger size can break off and travel to the brain or heart, causing a stroke or heart attack. On Saturday, Broadway actor Nick Cordero, 41, had his right leg amputated after being infected with the novel coronavirus and suffering from clots that blocked blood from getting to his toes. "

"“The problem we are having is that while we understand that there is a clot, we don’t yet understand why there is a clot,” Kaplan said. “We don’t know. And therefore, we are scared.” "

Very interesting set of research finds.

So this could be one of the main contributing factors to the heart attacks, strokes, other organ issues, possibly?

Odd this is just being discovered, or talked about anyway, now.